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Should more things be recycled or should more things be thrown away?

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Anarchist420

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I don't see why everything should be recycled. But then I don't think everything should be thrown away either.

Of course, I think it's best decided at the county level whether the market should handle it or if the city should decide. It probably costs more to have everything recyclable recycled, since things decompose and allowing more things to decompose (but not everything) would probably be cheaper and at least not worse for the environment.

Personally, I think too many things in my city aren't free market (we still have a public fire department rather than a volunteer one) and the real estate tax is high (1%) as a result. Interestingly and fortunately, this is at least the 2nd year my city has brought in a surplus, as a lot of counties in Virginia are doing surprisingly.
 
more recycling

I need somewhere to dump a bag of batteries. I feel guilty putting stuff like that and metal and such in the trash.
 
just throw your hazardous e-junk away, dont bother disposing of it properly.

times are hard. some bum will pick through the garbage and dismantle it for scrap metal anyway.
 
Spikesoldier said:
just throw your hazardous e-junk away, dont bother disposing of it properly.

times are hard. some bum will pick through the garbage and dismantle it for scrap metal anyway.
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Actually, I've been leaving metal and other crap on the curb. We have "patrols" that come around and pick that stuff up. Nice to know someone is making some money off of it.
 
More but I heard from an insider that our city's program was too expensive so the "recycled stuff" still ends up in the landfill. No idea if it's true.
 
One of Penn and Teller's "Bullshit!" episodes delved into the financial and possible environmental aspects of recycling. I believe the takeaway was that only aluminum is cost-effective to recycle. Although, I don't know how much of said episode could be taken as credible information to live by. 😛
 
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Lets call recycling what it is- a fraud, a sham, a scam perpetrated by big business on the citizens and municipalities of America.

Recycling is simply the transfer of producer responsibility for what they produce to the taxpayer who has to pick it up and take it away.
 
FoBoT said:
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Lets call recycling what it is- a fraud, a sham, a scam perpetrated by big business on the citizens and municipalities of America.

Recycling is simply the transfer of producer responsibility for what they produce to the taxpayer who has to pick it up and take it away.
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I don't understand. Why is dealing with consumer waste the manufacturer's responsibility? They deal(hopefully) with the waste they produce, and the consumer needs to deal with the waste they produce.
 
Anarchist420 said:
Personally, I think too many things in my city aren't free market (we still have a public fire department rather than a volunteer one) and the real estate tax is high (1&#37😉 as a result. Interestingly and fortunately, this is at least the 2nd year my city has brought in a surplus, as a lot of counties in Virginia are doing surprisingly.
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We recycle because it's the RIGHT thing to do, not because it's cheaper.

As for free market city services, for things like trash it's fine, but I sure as hell DO NOT WANT a corporation running my fire service. All the cost cutting BS I see in the corporate world is not what I want at work when I'm trapped on my second floor.

We're sorry, sir, we only had budget for a 16' ladder. The 28' ladder that may have saved your son's life is slated for procurement in FY'13.
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FoBoT said:
Lets call recycling what it is- a fraud, a sham, a scam perpetrated by big business on the citizens and municipalities of America.

Recycling is simply the transfer of producer responsibility for what they produce to the taxpayer who has to pick it up and take it away.
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Pic was removed but it was good.

I knew there was a corporate motive behind it.

You have to pay people to do all the handling and everything and the landfills could give the glass as well as other things that could be used anyway. It's not good to have both a landfill and recycling. One will be sufficient, and that's the landfill. It also costs money (and paper) to put up all those signs that say "cartons only" or whatever.

Recycling is just that. It's not reduction and it's not reusing.
 
Municipalities just want to maintain landfill space for stuff that can't be recycled. Landfills are expensive and siting new landfills is generally a pain in the butt.
 
Anarchist420 said:
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Pic was removed but it was good.

I knew there was a corporate motive behind it.

You have to pay people to do all the handling and everything and the landfills could give the glass as well as other things that could be used anyway. It's not good to have both a landfill and recycling. One will be sufficient, and that's the landfill. It also costs money (and paper) to put up all those signs that say "cartons only" or whatever.

Recycling is just that. It's not reduction and it's not reusing.
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Get a clue before you post. Landfill space is not available everywhere. Many cities have to transport trash all the way to other states to find a landfill.

Did your parents tell you this FUD again? Sure, volunteer fire dept in the city. 😀

Still arguing for the return of the gold standard?
 
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Capt Caveman said:
Get a clue before you post. Landfill space is not available everywhere. Many cities have to transport trash all the way to other states to find a landfill.

Did your parents tell you this FUD again? Yes, volunteer fire dept in the city. 😀

Still arguing for the return of the gold standard?
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Well, the free market could handle it. Yes, I will always believe in free market money, although I believe that if government has to exist, then yes the national government should be limited to collecting revenues in gold from the states based upon their population.

I should note that we haven't had a true gold standard since 1913 and that the problem with the true hard money standard started by Jackson was inadequate laws against fraud in some states and laws that subsidized or contributed to fraud in some states. LA prospered during the Free banking era, because they mandated high specie reserve requirements. LA was controlled by hard money men. In contrast to LA which didn't feel the need to mandate low reserve ratios (in part because they kept public expenditures low), IL did not do so well because the state mandated low reserve requirements in the hopes that it could build public railroads. IL went bankrupt trying to do so. IL was controlled mostly by Henry Clay National Socialists (well, other than Stephen A Douglas).
 
Anarchist420 said:
Well, the free market could handle it. Yes, I will always believe in free market money, although I believe that if government has to exist, then yes the national government should be limited to collecting revenues in gold from the states based upon their population.

I should note that we haven't had a true gold standard since 1913 and that the problem with the true hard money standard started by Jackson was inadequate laws against fraud in some states and laws that subsidized or contributed to fraud in some states. LA prospered during the Free banking era, because they mandated high specie reserve requirements. LA was controlled by hard money men. In contrast to LA which didn't feel the need to mandate low reserve ratios (in part because they kept public expenditures low), IL did not do so well because the state mandated low reserve requirements in the hopes that it could build public railroads. IL went bankrupt trying to do so. IL was controlled mostly by Henry Clay National Socialists (well, other than Stephen A Douglas).
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/facepalm 😀

Guess what, in the real world the free market doesn't work for everything. Your example of the Fire Dept is a perfect one. Same with your GPU thread in Video and any thread you make in P&N.
 
I think people should compost their own yard waste. I don't see the point of using resources to round it all up in one place. I get that cities compost it and sell it, but I have to wonder if it covers the cost to collect it.
 
FoBoT said:
producer-responsibility.jpg

Lets call recycling what it is- a fraud, a sham, a scam perpetrated by big business on the citizens and municipalities of America.

Recycling is simply the transfer of producer responsibility for what they produce to the taxpayer who has to pick it up and take it away.
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Recycling is neither a fraud nor a scam.

Yes people often put in effort to recycle, most often because they choose to, not because they are forced to. Also like many other posters have said landfill space is not always readily available/economical. Recycling, on the other hand, is not only the environmentally responsible thing to do, but is also profitable for the municipalities/companies that participate in it. A free market has developed for most all recyclable commodities which incentive's most waste companies to recycle as much as they can, at no cost to us.
 
twinrider1 said:
I think people should compost their own yard waste. I don't see the point of using resources to round it all up in one place. I get that cities compost it and sell it, but I have to wonder if it covers the cost to collect it.
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My city collects yard waste, composts it and offers it for free.
 
Hammyton said:
Recycling is neither a fraud nor a scam.

Yes people often put in effort to recycle, most often because they choose to, not because they are forced to. Also like many other posters have said landfill space is not always readily available/economical. Recycling, on the other hand, is not only the environmentally responsible thing to do, but is also profitable for the municipalities/companies that participate in it. A free market has developed for most all recyclable commodities which incentive's most waste companies to recycle as much as they can, at no cost to us.
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that is from treehugger.com, i thought they'd know about this kind of stuff :hmm:
What is TreeHugger?

TreeHugger is the leading media outlet dedicated to driving sustainability mainstream. Partial to a modern aesthetic, we strive to be a one-stop shop for green news, solutions, and product information.
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http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/11/celebrate-zero-waste-day.php
 
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