The world is coming to an end because fools who believe so donate to the preacher who scares them. They are sure they won't need the money and it will buy them a place in heaven. They are being milked by smarter people.
Originally posted by: zinfamous
Originally posted by: Rike
Riiiight. Lots of suicide Christian bombers running around the states these days. Not to mention all of the fundamentalist Christian political groups breaking off parts of their own country to rule with military force under biblical law. Yup, I see it everyday.
bombing abortion clinics?
oh right, they don't blow themselves up to do that, though. They're bigger cowards.
You are going to compare a few nuts bombing abortion clinics, to a whole group of people that are bent on the destruction of the Jews and the West?
You need to do a little more reading on the Jihad movement.
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: zinfamous
Originally posted by: Rike
Riiiight. Lots of suicide Christian bombers running around the states these days. Not to mention all of the fundamentalist Christian political groups breaking off parts of their own country to rule with military force under biblical law. Yup, I see it everyday.
bombing abortion clinics?
oh right, they don't blow themselves up to do that, though. They're bigger cowards.
You are going to compare a few nuts bombing abortion clinics, to a whole group of people that are bent on the destruction of the Jews and the West?
You need to do a little more reading on the Jihad movement.
Are you generalizing about all Arabs? And how is the Jihad movement different from the fundie movement in India or the West?
I can't wait for space travel. Groups of opposing fundies can be transported to a planet nobody cares about and they can have at each other unimpeded.
The only reason our Evangelicals aren't blowing up car bombs and what not is purely economic.
If they were as poor as the Islamist extremists they'd be just as bad.
And before you bring up "but there's rich oilmen islamic terrorists blah blah"...it's just like christianity. You have the rich rulers at top who spout the lord's word and manipulate the poor into doing their bidding and keeping them rich and powerful. These people believe in their god as far as it keeps them on top. You wont be seeing them strapping on explosive vests.
If they were as poor as the Islamist extremists they'd be just as bad.
And before you bring up "but there's rich oilmen islamic terrorists blah blah"...it's just like christianity. You have the rich rulers at top who spout the lord's word and manipulate the poor into doing their bidding and keeping them rich and powerful. These people believe in their god as far as it keeps them on top. You wont be seeing them strapping on explosive vests.
LOL. I agree, but these fundies are everywhere. They are a scary lot. Brrrrr....
In Florida, especially in places like Orlando, they are a festering sore on the body politic.
All religion is foolishness.
-Robert
It was unique, but I wouldn't call it radical. Radical is when you have a compound and force marriages, etc...
I personally respect all religions, out of personal tolerance...BUT until separation of church and state should be real LAW in every nation of this planet, lunacy will prevail.
retrospooty
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Originally posted by: Rike
Riiiight. Lots of suicide Christian bombers running around the states these days. Not to mention all of the fundamentalist Christian political groups breaking off parts of their own country to rule with military force under biblical law. Yup, I see it everyday.
Hello, abortion clinic bombers, Tim McVie... it happens, and its not right... Ans they are equally crazy, just a different ideology.
To believe that most evangelicals, born-agains or fundamentalists or the Christian right are or can be friends or allies of the Jews is a delusion. much of what the so-called "Evangelicals" are attempting to force on America has no basis in the Bible or in the teachings of Jesus the Christ.
Many (not all) Fundamentalists see a restored-to-Biblical-borders Israel as a key piece in the Second Coming of Christ puzzle and will therefore support any steps away from peace in the region, no matter how aggressive. They see the Mideast's "final conflict" as not only inevitable, but desirable, as it is the harbinger of Christ's return. At its culmination, standing on the precipice of destruction, "unsaved" (not converted to Christian) Jews will be given one last chance at redemption. If they refuse to renounce their Jewish faith, they will be slaughtered and cast "into a lake of fire."
The temptation to dismiss such macabre superstition is understandable ("Why should Jews care if Christians think we're all going to hell?"). However, these people very much see themselves as God's "agents" in this affair, which accounts for (as one example) their backing of the invasion of Iraq. Anything they can do to "stir the cauldron" in the Middle East, as far as they are concerned, is justified as it accellerates the pace: "The sooner we can get the region to explode, the sooner Jesus returns"
Now how does one suppose they will view their own role in the strange, but in their view literal and Prophetic writings which speak of rivers of Jewish blood? Will they content themselves with being mere spectators as an angry God unleashes this wrath? Or will they once again claim the authority to act as His "agents" and do the dirty work for Him?
History is riddled with examples of the latter - slaughter "in the name of God."
In a nutshell, many conservative fundamentalist American Christians feel that the Jew, must die in order to pave the way for the return of their Lord. Many of them can and will be led to pitch in and help bring about that end when (in their mind) the time comes. This bed-fellowship between Israel and her supporters, and the "Christian Right" is not only a strange one, but a highly dangerous one.
jonks
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Evangelicals donate tons of money to Israel. They do it because they are batshit insane and "need" Jews to be in Israel as a precondition to the apocalypse and Jesus' return, but the Israeli gov't has no problem taking the money in the meantime, because they aren't batshit insane.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/...08/17/jews.christians/
Israeli Jews = Practical
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/...08/17/jews.christians/
Israeli Jews = Practical
Capt Caveman
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Some things I've always wondered about this 2nd coming thing is:
- where's he been all this time?
- in what form is he supposed to return in?
- will there be a power struggle amongst the heads of the various religions on earth?
- how long's he going to stay this time?
- and finally, what if it's not true? that it's a non-event? that all the time, blood and brain power spent has been wasted?
- where's he been all this time?
- in what form is he supposed to return in?
- will there be a power struggle amongst the heads of the various religions on earth?
- how long's he going to stay this time?
- and finally, what if it's not true? that it's a non-event? that all the time, blood and brain power spent has been wasted?
Originally posted by: Rike
Riiiight. Lots of suicide Christian bombers running around the states these days. Not to mention all of the fundamentalist Christian political groups breaking off parts of their own country to rule with military force under biblical law. Yup, I see it everyday.
They don't need to when they believe that the military is out there doing God's work. To OCguy31, you just haven't thought enough about it to see they are just different sides of the same coin.
It isn't. There is just a massive double standard against Muslims and Arabs. When Hindu Extremists attack Churches, kill many Christians, force conversions back to Hinduism I don't see a thread on it...but when it is with Muslims, this forum goes into a fervor that would make Ann Coulter proud.
AstroManLuca
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I'm pretty much terrified of all religious extremism. Islam especially, because it's so much more violent, but Christianity scares me as well, in a more insidious way. Islam seeks to kill everyone that disagrees with them. Christianity, on the other hand, seeks to impose their will and control people's minds.
Keep in mind that I'm only referring to the extreme elements of these religions. Most of the members are just followers.
Keep in mind that I'm only referring to the extreme elements of these religions. Most of the members are just followers.
Supporting settlements in West Bank isn't very practical
It is counter intuitive to peace. That said extremists of all religions really DO create un necessary problems among us. The extremist Jew who thinks that the land belongs to them and it is their God given right to eject a native population is supported by extremist Christians who are looking to rush the end of days, and these actions feed the extremist Muslim who wants to dominate the world in some romantic notion of a global Jihad.
And then we somehow stupidly sit back and argue which extremist is a greater threat....
Anyone who thinks American religious morons are anywhere near the Islamic fundamentalists is waaaay out on the fringe. I would say 5-8% would agree with you.
I dont know who you plan on voting for in two weeks, because both candidates clearly are going to go after radical muslims.
I dont know who you plan on voting for in two weeks, because both candidates clearly are going to go after radical muslims.
Vic
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How many radical churches do you know that pack 10,000 into the congregation every Sunday?
I was going to stay out of this one, but I thought I should mention that Palin's church in Wasilla has hosted the anti-Semitic group "Jews for Jesus" with Sarah in the congregation.
Should the Jews be worried? Let's just say that, if I were a Jew, I would always be worried about fundamentalists of any stripe.
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