Should Intel Have Killed OCing With Sandy?

[superstition]

Intel sells a million CPU's a day. Do you think they give two farts about the 10 people that delid?

Yes, just as, contrary to the claim that Intel doesn't care about the enthusiast overclocking community, it released Devil's Canyon — with the promise of improved TIM.

McDonalds sells a lot of hamburgers every day but manages to make money by selling a lot of other things, too.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

Shhh...Stop making sense with sound logic.

And frankly I could care less about OCing when the top-end i7-Ks are already 4+GHz out of the box, and the landscape now is completely different from the times when the bargain basement and the uber expensive CPUs are different only by clocks and cache capacity.

It makes one wonder about plans for a new system. I'd said before I was going to do it this year out of curiosity and for the addictive fun of it.

I won't be able to help myself: I'll overclock that sucker.

 

[Sheep221]

Shhh...Stop making sense with sound logic.

And frankly I could care less about OCing when the top-end i7-Ks are already 4+GHz out of the box, and the landscape now is completely different from the times when the bargain basement and the uber expensive CPUs are different only by clocks and cache capacity.

Where I don't make sense? Maybe you referring to some other post tho.

 

[cytg111]

Where I don't make sense? Maybe you referring to some other post tho.

I sense a cultural divide here a place where, woooosh, sarcasm and irony often times is consumed in the void.

 

[Phynaz]

Yes, just as, contrary to the claim that Intel doesn't care about the enthusiast overclocking community, it released Devil's Canyon — with the promise of improved TIM.

McDonalds sells a lot of hamburgers every day but manages to make money by selling a lot of other things, too.

Horrible analogy.

Does McDonalds care about making a specialty product that that .001% of their customers will buy? No, they don't.

 

[Nhirlathothep]

it s a lot years oc is a commercial trap on Intel.


when i see a ivy-haswell-skylake 4core overclocked config i smell a gamer.
in the last 10y they re more than hw-enthusiast sadly

 

[cytg111]

Sigh. oc-ability is free publicity.
When your friends and familiy have computer issues, who are they gonna call?
Right.
You.
Case closed.

 

[superstition]

Does McDonalds care about making a specialty product that that .001% of their customers will buy? No, they don't.

Like Devil's Canyon?

Or, Broadwell C?


McDonald's, by the way, even sells temporary products — products that are only available for a limited time, periodically — like McRib. McRib, in most locales, has been in and out of the menu quite a few times since 1981.

The logic I responded to that you posted strongly implies that McDonalds should just focus on selling hamburgers and other core products. The fact is that the company makes money by selling a lot of peripheral products, even products like McRib that are not often even available to buy.

Companies don't voluntarily choose to throw away profit. The real question isn't how many will be sold, your .001%. The real question is: Is the cost/benefit ratio good enough for Intel to offer the product. Plenty of products are sold that target small sales numbers, including by huge corporations that do high volume sales. High-end halo products are a good example of that.

 

[monkeydelmagico]

Yes, just as, contrary to the claim that Intel doesn't care about the enthusiast overclocking community, it released Devil's Canyon — with the promise of improved TIM.

McDonalds sells a lot of hamburgers every day but manages to make money by selling a lot of other things, too.

Wait what? McDonalds is going to sell a devils canyon big mac? I'm gonna overclock that special sauce so hard it will need a HUGE custom water loop to fit in my mouth.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Wait what? McDonalds is going to sell a devils canyon big mac? I'm gonna overclock that special sauce so hard it will need a HUGE custom water loop to fit in my mouth.

LOL

 

[poofyhairguy]

I'm not so sure that a 4GHz Skylake doesn't already perform as well or better than a 5GHz Sandy Bridge. What you're asking for is likely already here.

I meant to say I expected six cores by now too (actually I was more expected 8 by now seeing how fast we went from 2 to 4).

 

[Headfoot]

I'm in for a 8c/16t overclocked McRib. Latest model has integrated barbeque sauce too

 

[Dave3000]

I think they should have disabled overclocking, and sold these processors locked. Maybe then Intel would be selling higher clocked chips and each generation. Most people that are running their 2600k's at 4.4GHz or higher have no incentives of upgrading to a 6700k 4GHz that might not overclock well but someone running his 2600k at stock settings who does not overclock because he wants a stable system would more likely have an incentive to upgrade to a 6700k than someone with a highly overclocked 2600k.

 

[StinkyPinky]

The only overclock I did on my 4790k was to make all four cores run at 4.4 when they turbo. Apart from that I couldn't be bothered, it's fast enough already. The 4790k turbos all four cores to 4.2 by default already, so it's effectively 4.2 out of the box. That's pretty impressive for stock.

 

[moonbogg]

No way man. I love my OC'd Sandy. Sexy ass loyal beast of a chip she is. She loves me long time. LONG ASS TIME.

 

[superstition]

Wait what? McDonalds is going to sell a devils canyon big mac? I'm gonna overclock that special sauce so hard it will need a HUGE custom water loop to fit in my mouth.

I guess that's when you discover that the new and improved special sauce tastes suspiciously like the old one — and come to the conclusion that overclocking isn't really needed after all.

 

[CakeMonster]

Sandy has had a very good run, and requirements have not risen greatly overall, but I find that a lot of people are exaggerating its IPC and absolute performance in new games and apps.

 

[monkeydelmagico]

I guess that's when you discover that the new and improved special sauce tastes suspiciously like the old one — and come to the conclusion that overclocking isn't really needed after all.

I don't think you understand how this world works. Your own conclusion is not really relevant. Whether it be CPUs or burgers you will accept what either Intel or Ronald tell you.

 

[moonbogg]

Sandy has had a very good run, and requirements have not risen greatly overall, but I find that a lot of people are exaggerating its IPC and absolute performance in new games and apps.

Be careful talking about SB like that. You may get struck by lightning. Anything less than absolute praise may be considered blasphemous. Sandy IS the best damn CPU, always and forever.
When I replace mine with something else, only then will that new one become the best CPU ever. That's how this works.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

Be careful talking about SB like that. You may get struck by lightning. Anything less than absolute praise may be considered blasphemous. Sandy IS the best damn CPU, always and forever.
When I replace mine with something else, only then will that new one become the best CPU ever. That's how this works.

Oh! An SB-E owner! You're predicament, which neither of us realize as such, is deeper than mine.

I've been building PCs -- wholly and profoundly since about 1995, but more or less with Klooges and mods since 1984.

Just slapping together parts, installing OS and drivers and making it run was the limit of my effort before 2004. After that, there were two obsessive priorities:

1) Build a phenomenally great PC with a modest selection of parts without spending more toward the bottom-line of a Maximum PC "Machine of the Year."

2) Build a phenomenally great PC with a good overclock that is rock-stable.

I keep wondering if the OC OC-Disorder will be left standing alone with no more challenges or justification, and some here seem inclined to that thought also. Why overclock, if the processor performs beyond the need for speed?

Only because "we can." And I suppose I'm going to make the outlay for essential Skylake parts just to satisfy my curiosity -- which means that one of these systems will either be redeployed, bequeathed or sold.

But not before I'm satisfied that a Skylake or alternative will be, paraphrasing you, the best system ever.

 

[superstition]

I suppose I'm going to make the outlay for essential Skylake parts just to satisfy my curiosity

I'd wait until there's an EDRAM SKU personally.