Should Intel ditch "Celeron", or does it serve a purpose?

[VirtualLarry]

Which is why I decided on the G465 in the first place. It also has a bigger IGP (6 vs 4EUs) compared with Bay Trail. I can assure you common 1080p playback was no problem at all. With very reasonable power consumption too.

Seems funny that you would have no problems with 1080P playback, on a single-core with HT, with an older iGPU, than escrow4's G1840 rig, yet he complained about 720P60 playback. Maybe the 60FPS playback is too much for either solution?

 

[Insert_Nickname]

Seems funny that you would have no problems with 1080P playback, on a single-core with HT, with an older iGPU, than escrow4's G1840 rig, yet he complained about 720P60 playback. Maybe the 60FPS playback is too much for either solution?

I can think of four things;

1) Source of playback? Local or Internet?
2) Deinterlacing method and, or, post-processing used? A G465 does not have the grunt to do much other then basic deinterlacing.
3) Codec used. Because you wont be software decoding much on a G465...
4) Drivers.

Anyway, it did (does) do bluray playback, and can even handle PiP content. So it must be something other then the hardware itself.

 

[slag]

apart from Bay Trail I don't think Celerons were ever THAT bad,
perhaps the original l2-less p2, or Northwood, but other than that, I can think of a lot of good or even great Celerons (300A, Tualatin, Celeron D, Core 2 Celerons like e3200, sandy bridge+ Celerons), I think they always delivered good perf/price, until sandy bridge also good OC potential, obviously once Pentium was moved to the low end, Celerons was even further down, but it's not really a significant difference,
I guess Intel sees some advantage for keeping it, perhaps some expect their cheap PC to have a Celeron, maybe they will be OK with that, or will want to pay a little extra to avoid it lol

g3900 should be pretty good,

Even the l2 cacheless celerons were awesome. The covington celeron 266 clocked @ 448 mhz was a beast in gaming which didn't require or really need much of any cache back in the late 90's when it was released and was much faster than anything else intel was putting out at the time.

 

[cbn]

They can bring back the Pentium Pro name for the wished-for 2C/4T Pentium.

That is a great idea.

 

[cbn]

My Celeron G465 used ~12W full load. So I suppose it's doable, especially with a two node advantage.

Intel has 2C/4T processors on 14nm with a TDP of 4.5W.

Based on that I would think 1C/2T at 4.5W would be cake.

And if some of those harvested 1C/2T dies that can't make 4.5W with good clocks, they can always be converted to desktop processors. I would take 1C/2T @ 3.5 Ghz during the period desktop Core i3s are running 3.9 to 4.1 Ghz and desktop Pentiums are 2C/4T at ~3.0 to 3.5 Ghz.

 

[escrow4]

Is this really considered heavy frame drop?
This is CPU only with no acceleration,I think that even 1080/60 is pretty decent.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2NFoXCXiQk

Yes. Less drops on this 4170.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Yes. Less drops on this 4170.

What refresh rate is your monitor set to? Windows often defaults to 59Hz instead of the proper 60Hz, when connected by HDMI. (LCD TV backwards-compatibility feature?)

 

[Byte]

Same with Pentium and Athlon btw.

But true, maybe keep Baytrail/Kabini as Celeron/Sempron and use Pentium/Athlon for the bigger toys.

I agree keep celeron to bay trail now that they retired atom. I got a skylake pentium g4400 and its damn fast. Now the i3 - i7 is kinda stupid too, what do the numbers mean? Where is the i9? I7 can have 2-8 cores from laptop to -E. So dumb.

 

[skipsneeky2]

G1820 will be the lowest end new processor i ever bought to build a pc around since the E4500 back in 2007.The E4500 at least was a well rounded upgrade from a 2.4Ghz based 478 socket Northwood.

Certainly will know how it holds up.Some Netflix and older games from 2012 and before will be on there.Mostly older UE3 based games,WOT and CSGO.CSGO will be the newest game for now.

I know gaming may be a questionable experience but if it couldn't handle Netflix/Facebook/Youtube then it certainly wouldn't be worthy of keeping.A $20 used Q6600 could handle basic usage fine.

 

[cbn]

No. We know how it works from AMD with worse yields. Even there they had to sell perfectly good chips as reduced.

For AMD it would be 2C/2T since the starting die is 4C/4T. This rather than Intel using harvested 1C/2T from a 2C/4T die.

With that mentioned, the main problem with AMD using harvested 2C/2T big core in place of 4C/4T small core is die size (245mm for big core vs. 102mm2 for small core). So they might not be able to do this.

This unlike the analysis of the Intel chips where the 14nm 2C/4T GT2 die is actually smaller than the 14nm Braswell 4C/4T atom die (the 2C/4T GT2 die does need a separate PCH though).

So for Intel using harvested 1C/2T is likely cheaper than using 4C/4T atom for Celeron desktop.

For AMD, there is a rumored chip called Stoney Ridge (which is dual core excavator with 192sp GCN 1.2 iGPU).

So if that is, in fact, a dual core native die there would be no need to harvest from the large (245mm2) quad core 512sp die.

 

[escrow4]

The frame drops are chrome related. FireFox no issues for 60p. And I am using a G1850, the top end baller Celeron. :sneaky:

Will be getting in a Pi 2 for a HTPC. I wonder how a Linux desktop would run off of it. Hmmmm.

Still a basic porn box purely for consumption of the Internet, Celeron's are fine. Sip power, dump little heat (the fan wasn't running on the stock intel heatsink when I attached it, temps were around 50-60 celsius, with the heatsink 30 ish) and more than acceptable for standard tasks.

Thing is, there will always be a bargain basement processor. People love cheap. Especially cheap and cheerful. And yes, there is a difference the higher up the stack you go, but $50 will do it.

 

[skipsneeky2]

Issues with Celeron and 60p Youtube videos?I usually have Chrome as my default browser.Is the issue a Intel IGP issue or would having a GT 740 eliminate those issues?

I don't watch 60p usually,sucks to much bandwidth with my mediocre internet.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Thing is, there will always be a bargain basement processor. People love cheap. Especially cheap and cheerful. And yes, there is a difference the higher up the stack you go, but $50 will do it.

You should get a G4400. Or maybe a G4500, it has the HD 530 IGP. Not quite Celeron cheap, however.

I wonder if they will have a SKL Celeron with the 530 IGP. They really should, for HTPC (aka pr0n box) usages.

 

[skipsneeky2]

Been using my wifes G1820 for the last 2 days,basic usage it feels pretty much like my i5 2500 but keep in mind we run maybe 2-3 tabs on Chrome max at a time.We would have our Facebook open while hearing music on Youtube and checking our email or she has music playing and Wizard 101 open.Netflix runs fine as well.

The games that run on a dual core run extremely better then they did on a E5200 and a Q6600 i had recently,but the games that favor 4 thread still run like garbage of course.If you got a playlist of old games that play well with a dual core,you can't beat this cpu.

Out of all my games,CSGO being a 2012 game is the most recent that runs well.

 

[waltchan]

Intel already announced Celeron G3900 LGA1151 Skylake, but we don't know when it will reach in-stores.

 

[cbn]

Intel already announced Celeron G3900 LGA1151 Skylake, but we don't know when it will reach in-stores.

Sweet:

http://ark.intel.com/products/90741/Intel-Celeron-Processor-G3900-2M-Cache-2_80-GHz

It supports AES-NI and VT-d.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Got a pair of G3900 Skylake Celerons incoming, finally. Will start a new thread probably when they arrive, and I get them installed. Picked up a pair of B150 "Hyper" (BCLK OC capable) boards to go with them.

 

[Sheep221]

I think that skylake celerons are nice and quite cheap.

 

[Blue_Max]

Taking a wild guess, could the Celerons simply be a dumping-ground for processors that have certain failures in their silicon?
"Only two of four cores working? Dang... seal off gates X and Y, lower the clock to Z and throw it in the Celeron bin and maybe we'll at least break even on the silicon."

Others have certainly did this for other products in the past, like video cards, etc.

(I still think it's a fine idea... they have their place.)

 

[dave_the_nerd]

Taking a wild guess, could the Celerons simply be a dumping-ground for processors that have certain failures in their silicon?
"Only two of four cores working? Dang... seal off gates X and Y, lower the clock to Z and throw it in the Celeron bin and maybe we'll at least break even on the silicon."

Others have certainly did this for other products in the past, like video cards, etc.

(I still think it's a fine idea... they have their place.)

Probably not two of four cores - Intel's Celerons, Pentiums, and i3s all start life as the same 2-core die. But if there's a defective bit of L3 or L2 cache, or some bad GPU modules, sure, they probably do some die harvesting and end up with a Celeron instead of an i3. Better than throwing the whole thing out, yeah?

Disabling entire cores was something AMD did with their Phenom series. (x3 CPUs were x4s with one core soft-disabled. In many cases, it ran fine unlocked as a quad.)