Should I upgrade Athlon 2400+

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shrumpage

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I'm in the process of doing a simlar upgrade:

Currently i have a 2500xp, 1gig pc3200, 9800pro, which has served me well. The replacements pieces are: 3800 x2, asus sli board, a new power supply, and a used 6800gt SLI - cost is around 400 bucks not including shipping. Will i have an upgrade path with the 939 - probably not. But in 2-3 years i'll be probably replace everything 'cept the case (koolance water cooled).
 

Zebo

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He does'nt need ram.. A64's run just fine with PC2700 because they are not bandwith staved ...I've proven it before with a bunch of tests but I can't find the link.. Anyhow he slept too long for the deal I posted.
 

Madwand1

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Originally posted by: VooDooAddict
I'd actually be more concerned about the Video. I thought that the AGP on the ASROCK was bridged to the old PCI Bus drastically limiting the bandwidth to the video card.

According to the following review, that claim is false:

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASRock/939Dual-SATA2/14

Originally posted by: VooDooAddict
Personally, I?d save a little longer and upgrade to an AM2 or Conroe Platform that would give you more breathing room in the future.

A reasonable option, even backed up with some homework.

But I think the essence of this argument hinges on the idea that 939 is dead and AM2/Conroe is the future. OK, but the AM2 processor being suggested isn't exactly cutting edge, and Conroe is higher priced, and 939 is going to be fine for another year or two at least.

My main point is that the differences between the two builds don't really get apparent until there are affordable AM2/AM3 processors which (a) give appreciable benefits in applications/games (b) are available and affordable. This is quite a ways off, and in the meanwhile, there's probably something that he'll gain in the difference between a bottom-end AM2 CPU and a mid-end 939 one.

So the real platform argument would be for Conroe. If you're picking a platform because you'll get a better CPU down the road (why else would you be picking AM2 over 939?) then it's much better to pick Conroe -- we know that at a mid-price, it'll outperform anything currently available from AMD; whereas we have no idea what AMD will actually come out with later and what Intel will have at that point as a response.

There's even an interesting build possibility to bring the price down -- using the ASRock 775Dual-VSTA. This board will do Conroe + AGP + PCIe + DDR + DDR2. The catch is that the PCIe is a bit crippled at x4. This probably won't matter at lower resolutions, but is a problem at the high end. I'd probably say that the higher-end video is more important for gaming than a Conroe processor, and pass on this build. It'd be a good choice if CPU > video. Unfortunately, for gaming, you often need high-end video to make that Conroe processor worthwhile, so it's kinda self-defeating. However, not everything is high FPS gaming.

http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2797&p=10

My suggestion is to try to get the processor "right" in this upgrade, with a view to the future. Just getting into a mid-range CPU, perhaps OC'ing it, and getting PCIe platform support, as a means for a substantial video upgrade sooner rather than later, is IMO a good approach. A mid-range 939 processor has the capability to compete with current low-end Conroe processors, and is suitable for a mid-performance target build.

As to the RAM, I think it's also OK, esp. at the lower end of CPU's. At the higher end, we roughly see application performance gains in the order of 5%-10% for a 100% RAM bandwidth increase. So this would have a marginal overall application impact.

Regarding the 754, it's fine until you upgrade the video, and then you'd have to buy another MB + CPU + video. It'd be bad then.

So we basically ended up where we started with -- a 939 build, with some thoughts on alternatives.
 

Sandan

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Damn.....I forgot to get opinions on if my PSU will be enough it is Antec SL350 which is a 350 watt. Again I am planning on running: Asrock 939dual-SATA2 motherboard, AMD 64 3800+or the 64 x2 3800+ with 1 gig 2700 ram, ati 9800 video, 160gig 7200 maxtor hard drive, and windows xp pro. Thanks guys......
 

Madwand1

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Originally posted by: Sandan
I forgot to get opinions on if my PSU will be enough it is Antec SL350 which is a 350 watt. Again I am planning on running: Asrock 939dual-SATA2 motherboard, AMD 64 3800+or the 64 x2 3800+ with 1 gig 2700 ram, ati 9800 video, 160gig 7200 maxtor hard drive, and windows xp pro.

The 12V spec is low -- 16A, so for additional HD's, higher-end video, etc., you'd probably need a different PSU, but I think that it should be enough for the above build.

 

Sandan

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Mellman, The 2400+ goes in the kids computer to replace an Athlon 1.4 mhz. I think the 1.4 goes to my dad who just uses the computer for the internet.
 

Blain

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I just upgraded from a 400W Zalman PS to the 500W Liberty. The quality of the Liberty is top notch! They come in three flavors... 400W, 500W and the big daddy 620W.
 

Sandan

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Madwand1, I have no idea what the 12V 16A means......But, I also plan on a second hard drive, A DVDRW and DVD player. I sure hope I don't need to buy an new PSU because with my current finances (Kids in college) it may be a deal breaker. I read on some forum that the Antec sl350 should be able to handle an x2 3800+ on a system similar to the one I am hoping to build. Not to second guess your advice because you seem to know more that I but you state for higher end video which I hear is the real draw on power........I plan on upgrading that much later and would be able to afford a better PSU then.
 

Madwand1

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The "12V 16A" came from this doc, which applies to your PSU:

http://www.antec.com/specs/sl350_spe.html

Here's an article that explains different PSU power ratings:

http://www.motherboards.org/articles/guides/1487_3.html

Here's an article that walks you through a PSU requirements calculation:

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=844691

(Use IE for the Zippy PSU calculator link.)

The main problem with other easier-to-use online PSU calculators is that they don't show separate 12V and 5V requirements, and just guestimate a total wattage. This is just not good enough, as the above motherboards.org article shows.

Perhaps someone here knows of a better, easier-to-user online PSU calculator that shows 12V requirements.

Going through Zippy's calculator (quickly, hehe, zippily? i.e. not too reliably), I think you'd still be OK with a 2nd HD and DVD RW. A high-end PCIe video card would probably put you over the edge.

Note however, that a good PSU = good for overclocking, etc., and good power is good, and doesn't have to be very expensive. Look around here, and you'll probably find a few recommendations for a good affordable (though perhaps a bit noisy?) PSU -- if / when you need one.
 

Sandan

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Madwand1...Your the man...I appreciate your thorough reply and the provided links. Thank you..
 

Maximilian

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You would see a boost yes, it wont be a phenomenal boost for all the games, except for eye candy amounts and for oblivion. The 9800 PRO was the best when doom 3 was released and it ran doom 3 fine, quake 4 is based on the same engine. A video card upgrade thrown in would make the performance boost far more noticeable.

Also if you're gonna replace the CPU and board, why not go with PCI-E and a conroe? Conroe chips spank the A64's right now, and PCI-E is here to stick around so its good to be on that bandwagon.

Either way, with a new board + cpu, i would say no, with a new board + cpu + vid card, hell yes. Despite its age an athlon XP 2400+ is still a pretty fast CPU even today.
 

VooDooAddict

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Originally posted by: Madwand1
Originally posted by: VooDooAddict
I'd actually be more concerned about the Video. I thought that the AGP on the ASROCK was bridged to the old PCI Bus drastically limiting the bandwidth to the video card.

According to the following review, that claim is false:

Nice to hear! I must have been thinking of some of the first AGP + PCIe boards. In that case the ASROCK Dual sounds like an awsome way to get out of the AthlonXP world.

I've got some friends running 9700s and 9800Pros on AthlonXP 1700+s and 1800+s. For these people low cost in making a switch is everything. They probably wouldn't even get Dual Core rigs just due to the cost. But a 3500 (or 3800 single core) would blow thier old systems away.