Should I return a B3 stepping Q6600 ?

[Markfw]

Old subject, related...Does Win2k only support 2 cores ????? I tried changing to single, then back to multiprosessor driver, and still only 2 cores.

So I got 2 Q6600 from Fry's today B3 stepping. The first one booted and is running at virtually stock vcore (upped a hare to eliminate vdroop) at 3.2 ghz, running 55c using TAT. I haven;t even tried for more. I paid $300 for these.

So I have one more that will be going into a P5K tomorrow, with a 700 watt Fortron PSU and an Antec 900 case. So what if I only get 3.4 ? (vs a maybe 3.7 on a G0 stepping) When they come out, can you get one for $300 ? how much more will I get speed. "one in the hand is worth ten in the bush" as the saying goes, and I an worried that I wait 2-3 weeks, have to pay inflated costs (over 300) and still may not get much more out of the chips.

What do you think ?

 

[Schadenfroh]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_2000#Editions

* Windows 2000 Professional was designed as the desktop operating system for businesses and power users. It is the basic unit of Windows 2000, and the most common. It offers greater security and stability than many of the previous Windows desktop operating systems. It supports up to two processors, and can address up to 4 GB of RAM. The system requirements were a Pentium Processor @133MHz or greater, at least 64 MB of RAM, 650 MB of hard drive space, and a CD-ROM drive (recommended: Pentium II, 128 MB of RAM, 1 GB of hard drive space, and CD-ROM drive).
* Windows 2000 Server products share the same user interface with Windows 2000 Professional, but contain additional components for running infrastructure and application software. A significant component of the server products is Active Directory, which is an enterprise-wide directory service based on LDAP. Additionally, Microsoft integrated Kerberos network authentication, replacing the often-criticised NTLM authentication system used in previous versions. This also provided a purely transitive-trust relationship between Windows 2000 domains in a forest (a collection of one or more Windows 2000 domains that share a common schema, configuration, and global catalogue, being linked with two-way transitive trusts). Furthermore, Windows 2000 introduced a DNS server which allows dynamic registration of IP addresses.
* Windows 2000 Advanced Server is a variant of Windows 2000 Server operating system designed for medium-to-large businesses. It offers clustering infrastructure for high availability and scalability of applications and services, including main memory support of up to 8 gigabytes (GB) on Physical Address Extension (PAE) systems and the ability to do 8-way SMP. It has support for TCP/IP load balancing and enhanced two-node server clusters based on the Microsoft Cluster Server (MSCS) in the Windows NT Server 4.0 Enterprise Edition.[24] A limited edition 64 bit version of Windows 2000 Advanced Server was made available via the OEM Channel. It also supports failover and load balancing.
* Windows 2000 Datacenter Server is a variant of the Windows 2000 Server that is designed for large businesses that move large quantities of confidential or sensitive data frequently via a central server. As with Advanced Server, it supports clustering, failover and load balancing. Its minimum system requirements are normal, but it was designed to be capable of handing more advanced hardware - for instance it was capable of supporting computers with up to 32 CPUs and 64 GBs RAM.

 

[Markfw]

Thanks ! But at least for Folding@home, its working on 4, as the times went in half !

 

[JAG87]

ya two processors, as in two sockets, not cores. you can have as many cores as you like.

i would return both of them. G0 runs much cooler and overclocks much better. i will never understand why people buy something worse 3 weeks before something better comes out.

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: JAG87
ya two processors, as in two sockets, not cores. you can have as many cores as you like.

i would return both of them. G0 runs much cooler and overclocks much better. i will never understand why people buy something worse 3 weeks before something better comes out.

You didn't read my post at all. I explained my reasoning. But the only KNOWN facts are that it is supposed to be a little better on OC'ing, and IF the availability is good, and the price doesn't skyrocket. So its speculation over how much better, and vs what real availability and real price. I only paid $300 each.....About what they will be in 2-3 weeks, IF they go for that, and if they are available, and IF they OC that much better.

The E4300 was supposed to be a good overlcocker, but hardly anybody (including me) got over 3 ghz (I got 2.915).

So again, one in the hand is wrth 10 in the bush, I just wanted opinions from everyone else.

 

[JAG87]

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: JAG87
ya two processors, as in two sockets, not cores. you can have as many cores as you like.

i would return both of them. G0 runs much cooler and overclocks much better. i will never understand why people buy something worse 3 weeks before something better comes out.

You didn't read my post at all. I explained my reasoning. But the only KNOWN facts are that it is supposed to be a little better on OC'ing, and IF the availability is good, and the price doesn't skyrocket. So its speculation over how much better, and vs what real availability and real price. I only paid $300 each.....About what they will be in 2-3 weeks, IF they go for that, and if they are available, and IF they OC that much better.

The E4300 was supposed to be a good overlcocker, but hardly anybody (including me) got over 3 ghz (I got 2.915).

So again, one in the hand is wrth 10 in the bush, I just wanted opinions from everyone else.

I gave you my opinion, and you just rejected it, plus you seem to be quite sure about what you want to do.

I guess you started this thread just to spray gas on the flame. good job we need more of these.

 

[Shimmishim]

G0 will be around $300 when it first releases which isn't too much over MSRP of $266(?).

G0 will run cooler but that's not guarantee that they will clock better. We've seen ES's but ES's are usually a bit better than the first round of super early retail chips.

Personally for me, I'm skipping kentsfield B3 or G0 and will go Yorksfield seeing as it that it should be out around September IIRC which beats the Kentsfield clock for clock.

I'm getting a retail 6850 for around $200 a few weeks after release (yes i know they retail higher...)

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: Shimmishim
G0 will be around $300 when it first releases which isn't too much over MSRP of $266(?).

G0 will run cooler but that's not guarantee that they will clock better. We've seen ES's but ES's are usually a bit better than the first round of super early retail chips.

Personally for me, I'm skipping kentsfield B3 or G0 and will go Yorksfield seeing as it that it should be out around September IIRC which beats the Kentsfield clock for clock.

I'm getting a retail 6850 for around $200 a few weeks after release (yes i know they retail higher...)

Thanks Shimmishim, thats kind of what I thought.

 

[Roguestar]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

* Windows 2000 Professional was designed as the desktop operating system for businesses and power users. It is the basic unit of Windows 2000, and the most common. It offers greater security and stability than many of the previous Windows desktop operating systems. It supports up to two processors, and can address up to 4 GB of RAM.

Same as Windows XP Professional, they support up to two physical processors, but the number of cores is largely irrelevant (up to 128 cores if I recall correctly).

 

[Markfw]

Thanks again ! and it does use all four, even though task manager shows two windows. I can now do a F@H SMP unit in 16 hours instead of 34 !

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: Markfw900
Old subject, related...Does Win2k only support 2 cores ????? I tried changing to single, then back to multiprosessor driver, and still only 2 cores.

So I got 2 Q6600 from Fry's today B3 stepping. The first one booted and is running at virtually stock vcore (upped a hare to eliminate vdroop) at 3.2 ghz, running 55c using TAT. I haven;t even tried for more. I paid $300 for these.

So I have one more that will be going into a P5K tomorrow, with a 700 watt Fortron PSU and an Antec 900 case. So what if I only get 3.4 ? (vs a maybe 3.7 on a G0 stepping) When they come out, can you get one for $300 ? how much more will I get speed. "one in the hand is worth ten in the bush" as the saying goes, and I an worried that I wait 2-3 weeks, have to pay inflated costs (over 300) and still may not get much more out of the chips.

What do you think ?

Mark, did you get the same bin for both the CPU's?

Are they both G's? i hear the ones people are getting right now are G's.

As for performance increase, i dont think you'll really notice that much of a difference from 3.4->3.7ghz. In Bionic it only adds up to about 300-400 points on both scales.

The number 3.6ghz as JAG pointed out is purely for bragging rights, because people who own these understand how hard it is to pull this off.

If there pure crunchers, i would seriously invest in a P35 board over a G0 stepping, because it will run much more stable on a bearlake platform, vs a higher clocked quad on a crappy chipset.

And if you think phase change is the only thing people burn out, i burn out my motherboard trying to hold 3.6 @ 24/7 loaded. It wasnt a funny sight. Yoxxy even burnt out his phase unit trying to hold a higher overclock.

As for me, the next 680i board i get back from RMA, will keep this Q6600 @ 3375 like my X3220, for long term stability. Then i'll grab a G0, with X38 chipset when they come out and see how well and how long term it goes on a crunching config.

But 3.6ghz quad crunching nonstop, with 680i board = not recomended. :


I say this because you seriously need to near max out the voltages on the motherboard to maintain near 400fsb on the 680i. From FSB, to MCP, to MCP->SPP. :



Lastly, you cant use TAT on quadcores. Reason is because TAT only loads up 2 cores. :\ You need to use the new version of prime95, or you need to run orthos twice and set affinity in control pannel.

 

[MarcVenice]

Why not try the other and see how it performs ? Then rma the worst performer, and try your luck

 

[Markfw]

aigomorla, one (currently at 3.2 at 1.375vcore, 1.325 load) is on a DS3, and the other will be going on a P35 board (the P5K), and they are both B3 stepping. After seeing the problems everyone has keeping a quad cooled@ 1.45 and higher vcore to get 3.4-3.6, I don't even want to go there. I will be happy with 3.2-3.4. I just can't see waiting to spend the same money on a very slightly better chip, and that's not even a fact given the E4300 crap (was supposed to be killer, hardly anybody including me got over 3 ghz). After they do come out, and 100 people are getting 3.7 on air, then I could consider selling mine and getting another. But these 2 are probably going to be fine. I just like to keep hearing opinions.

 

[JAG87]

Originally posted by: aigomorla

Originally posted by: Markfw900
Old subject, related...Does Win2k only support 2 cores ????? I tried changing to single, then back to multiprosessor driver, and still only 2 cores.

So I got 2 Q6600 from Fry's today B3 stepping. The first one booted and is running at virtually stock vcore (upped a hare to eliminate vdroop) at 3.2 ghz, running 55c using TAT. I haven;t even tried for more. I paid $300 for these.

So I have one more that will be going into a P5K tomorrow, with a 700 watt Fortron PSU and an Antec 900 case. So what if I only get 3.4 ? (vs a maybe 3.7 on a G0 stepping) When they come out, can you get one for $300 ? how much more will I get speed. "one in the hand is worth ten in the bush" as the saying goes, and I an worried that I wait 2-3 weeks, have to pay inflated costs (over 300) and still may not get much more out of the chips.

What do you think ?

I say this because you seriously need to near max out the voltages on the motherboard to maintain near 400fsb on the 680i. From FSB, to MCP, to MCP->SPP.

thats right. the only reason you should get a 680i board is if you need SLI. otherwise nothing will work better than a P35. the new memory controller in P35 will give you a boost too.

but like I said before, you better have a good reason for buying your q6600s now, because if you just did it out of impatience, then you are making a big mistake. not so much for overclocking, but for temperatures. its just so friking hard to air cool B3 properly.

 

[Markfw]

I am running 55c open case, 65c closed case, all 4 cores @100% for 24 hours now, Ninja Sythe cooling. Doesn't sound hard to me, or hot for 3.2ghz....

As to whether its a mistake, lets see how much better they are, and how much they are, and the availability. I still haven't heard back from Tankguys on my questions about their guaranteed G0's....Again, the E4300 was a fiasco, and I will believe it when I see it.

One in the hand is worth 10 in the bush...

 

[JAG87]

those are nice temperatures. what hsf are you running anyways?

i will have G0 numbers for you pretty soon. give me like a weeks time.

 

[Markfw]

Ninja Sythe cooling.... And tell me how hard to OC and what vcore. Mine is virtually stock. Right now I want to stability test@3.2, I haven;t even tried for more, not even for 5 minutes...Also, I have it running on an Antec 450 PSU, might be a little weak for a good OC. The real test is the next system that I build today. 700 watt fortron PSU, P35 ASUS mobo, Antec 900 case with lots of fans, No excuse for a good OC.

Edit: what temps, vcore and cooling do you run on your "Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6700 3.2GHz " ? Looks like a Zalmann 9700 cooler, but I can't tell the rest.

 

[JAG87]

35c idle, 60c load, stock voltage (1.34v actual)


edit
im actually selling it right now, on another forum. G0 Xeon will be replacing it.

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: JAG87
35c idle, 60c load, stock voltage (1.34v actual)


edit
im actually selling it right now, on another forum. G0 Xeon will be replacing it.

where you find the G0 Xeon for sale?


I maybe interested in that...

 

[JAG87]

its a secret. [spam]wanna buy my qx6700?[/spam]

 

[VirtualLarry]

Win2K Pro only supports two CPUs. The problem with W2K is that it doesn't differentiate between physical and logical processors. So with a quad-core, you have one physical and three logical CPUs. It will use the first two CPUs that it sees in the BIOS list.

So you need W2K Server to take advantage of a Quad-core CPU. That or upgrade to XP, which is licensed per physical CPU core, with unlimited (in theory - up to 32, actually) logical processors.

 

[Markfw]

WOW, I got my P5K running today, and all I can say is what CRAP that motherboard is. I have my old DS3 running the same CPU with an Antec 450 PSU, and very little vdroop at 3.2. The P5K has almost .1 v vdroop, from 1.392 (no load) down to 1.296 and once I saw 1.288 ! I had to set it to 1.4375 in bios to get that ! and on a 700 watt fortron PSU. I can only get to 3.120 ghz, but I am sure its not the chip thats the problem, but the motherboard. I may have to keep going down further until its stable, not stable yet.