Should I leave my church?

[Lemon law]

Two comments.

If I went to that church, it would not be a case of me leaving the church, it would be a case of my church leaving me.

I hope to God that church does not have tax exempt status because it should lose it at near the speed of light. Just the posted document is more than ample evidence.

 

[JEDIYoda]

axtually no link supporting the OP`s word that the document is real has been posted in support of the document!!

 

[Red Dawn]

It's just two words, White and Black but when both are used in this context one comes across as racist and the other doesn't. It's easily explained, through out American History White Power has meant exclusivity and the promotion of superiority of the White race over other races where as Black Power has meant empowerment of blacks to achieve equality.

 

[maluckey]

Racism is racism. Holding down one to promote another = mediocrity and is a losing strategy in the long run.

Working with your community to raise it up is a good thing. Don't do it by standing in the way of, or on the backs of others.

 

[spittledip]

I think you should stay and invite your black friends 😛

 

[XMan]

Originally posted by: maluckey
Racism is racism. Holding down one to promote another = mediocrity and is a losing strategy in the long run.

Working with your community to raise it up is a good thing. Son't so it by standing in the way of, or on the backs of others.

Exactly.

For those of you who didn't get it, this was indeed a parody thread. Sorry, Harvey.

The very principle of adding race to the Christian faith goes against the teachings of Christ. It is not a faith intended to be exclusionary, which is I think what those standards epoused end up doing.

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: XMan
1. Commitment to God
2. Commitment to the Christian Community
3. Commitment to the Christian Family
4. Dedication to the Pursuit of Education
5. Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence
6. Adherence to the Christian Work Ethic
7. Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect
8. Disavowal of the Pursuit of "Middleclassness"
9. Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the Christian Community
10. Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting Christian Institutions
11. Pledge allegiance to all Christian leadership who espouse and embrace the Christian Value System
12. Personal commitment to embracement of the Christian Value System.

Something doesn't seem right here.

Now there is something that folks wouldn't bat an eye at.

 

[Braznor]

NM

 

[cwjerome]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Oh I don't know. The narcolepsy of the middle class, the dream that they will one day be rich, the illusion that there are rules they can follow to gain wealth, this sleep walking dream they have, leads them not only to slaughter by the wealthy and corporations, but slaughter by their own hand. It's class warfare and they have been given drugs that create the illusion they are winning. Every sucker is the victim of his own greed.

Such an evolutionary infantile outlook, barely applicable when Marx wrote his gibberish, and completely oblivious to reality today. Look around you... people from nothing become something everyday and that's why the victimization dream you preach will never take hold. Unless everyone else takes a bad LSD trip like you, finds "Truth," and begins babbling about hate and illusions... you'll be a singular voice of emotional irrationalism, trapped in your own narcolepsy.

 

[narcotic]

Originally posted by: XMan
1. Commitment to God
2. Commitment to the White Community
3. Commitment to the White Family
4. Dedication to the Pursuit of Education
5. Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence
6. Adherence to the White Work Ethic
7. Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect
8. Disavowal of the Pursuit of "Middleclassness"
9. Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the White Community
10. Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting White Institutions
11. Pledge allegiance to all White leadership who espouse and embrace the White Value System
12. Personal commitment to embracement of the White Value System.

Something doesn't seem right here.

Does your church rules also involve wearing white robes and funny pointy hats that sort of cover your face as well?

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: narcotic

Does your church rules also involve wearing white robes and funny pointy hats that sort of cover your face as well?

Mine did, but I was raised Catholic. 😛

I guess I'll have to resurrect my old sig.

 

[Corbett]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
It's just two words, White and Black but when both are used in this context one comes across as racist and the other doesn't. It's easily explained, through out American History White Power has meant exclusivity and the promotion of superiority of the White race over other races where as Black Power has meant empowerment of blacks to achieve equality.

Blacks have every bit of opportunity in this country as white people, arguagbly, even more in some cases. If only those who constantly harp on "black issues" and "the struggle" could get beyond the past of their ancestors, they would see that and take advantage of it.

 

[kage69]

I sense this is what Obama's pastor has put out. With one of the words changed of course.

My impression as well. Was it the OP or someone else who went off on a KKK rant concerning Obama awhile back?


It's easier to process this kind of statement as black communities didn't start this focus on their own. Blacks have a history of being driven away from practically all common institutions that have a predominantly white clientèle. Add to it "black" churches have been targets of an arson campaign for decades. Sounds to me like black communities have been pushed into developing a sense of solidarity and support, pity those christian ideals we hear so much about haven't reached total adoption by those who espouse them.


You don't see it in predominantly white congregations because there wasn't an analogous period of prejudice and persecution for the whites.

 

[Mavtek3100]

Corbett love your signature by the way, if only Ron Paul supporters were all this active. Most just stay online, if we had that many out protesting in unison maybe some great things could be accomplished.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: maluckey
Racism is racism. Holding down one to promote another = mediocrity and is a losing strategy in the long run.

Working with your community to raise it up is a good thing. Son't so it by standing in the way of, or on the backs of others.

Racism is racism, and holding down another race to promote your own is a bad idea in the long run. Which is the big reason "white pride" is a racist concept...it always involves not so much promoting whites and trying to keep blacks down. I'm not sure that works equally well the other way around. Maybe when "helping the black community" becomes code for lynching white people who are trying to vote, I'll agree that what you're saying is fair.

But until that happens, I can't help but feel your argument is incredibly juvenile and I honestly can't believe people keep bringing it up. Haven't you guys studied history? You think black people have always been treated the same as white people? Hell, you think they're treated the same NOW? I really don't understand how anyone can look at this country and conclude that black people have no need for a strong community and that any attempts to create one are cover for the same kind of racist bullshit white people have engaged in for a few hundred years.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
It's just two words, White and Black but when both are used in this context one comes across as racist and the other doesn't. It's easily explained, through out American History White Power has meant exclusivity and the promotion of superiority of the White race over other races where as Black Power has meant empowerment of blacks to achieve equality.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

I taught my kids that white people aren't any better then black people AND that black people aren't any better then white people.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
It's just two words, White and Black but when both are used in this context one comes across as racist and the other doesn't. It's easily explained, through out American History White Power has meant exclusivity and the promotion of superiority of the White race over other races where as Black Power has meant empowerment of blacks to achieve equality.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

I taught my kids that white people aren't any better then black people AND that black people aren't any better then white people.

😕

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: maluckey
Racism is racism. Holding down one to promote another = mediocrity and is a losing strategy in the long run.

Working with your community to raise it up is a good thing. Son't so it by standing in the way of, or on the backs of others.

You're Correct, Racism is Racism, but as Red Dawn pointed out just before your post: White Exclusivity is Racist(has a long track record), but Black Exclusivity does not have a Racist track record.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: maluckey
Racism is racism. Holding down one to promote another = mediocrity and is a losing strategy in the long run.

Working with your community to raise it up is a good thing. Son't so it by standing in the way of, or on the backs of others.

Racism is racism, and holding down another race to promote your own is a bad idea in the long run. Which is the big reason "white pride" is a racist concept...it always involves not so much promoting whites and trying to keep blacks down. I'm not sure that works equally well the other way around. Maybe when "helping the black community" becomes code for lynching white people who are trying to vote, I'll agree that what you're saying is fair.

But until that happens, I can't help but feel your argument is incredibly juvenile and I honestly can't believe people keep bringing it up. Haven't you guys studied history? You think black people have always been treated the same as white people? Hell, you think they're treated the same NOW? I really don't understand how anyone can look at this country and conclude that black people have no need for a strong community and that any attempts to create one are cover for the same kind of racist bullshit white people have engaged in for a few hundred years.

I admire a group of people that band together and attempt to lift themselves out of oppression. I don't care how they get it done, as long as they don't oppress another to get it done.

Turning the tables, I suppose one could argue that this is racism if this group isn't oppressed. (as a whole)

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: maluckey
Racism is racism. Holding down one to promote another = mediocrity and is a losing strategy in the long run.

Working with your community to raise it up is a good thing. Son't so it by standing in the way of, or on the backs of others.

Racism is racism, and holding down another race to promote your own is a bad idea in the long run. Which is the big reason "white pride" is a racist concept...it always involves not so much promoting whites and trying to keep blacks down. I'm not sure that works equally well the other way around. Maybe when "helping the black community" becomes code for lynching white people who are trying to vote, I'll agree that what you're saying is fair.

But until that happens, I can't help but feel your argument is incredibly juvenile and I honestly can't believe people keep bringing it up. Haven't you guys studied history? You think black people have always been treated the same as white people? Hell, you think they're treated the same NOW? I really don't understand how anyone can look at this country and conclude that black people have no need for a strong community and that any attempts to create one are cover for the same kind of racist bullshit white people have engaged in for a few hundred years.

I admire a group of people that band together and attempt to lift themselves out of oppression. I don't care how they get it done, as long as they don't opress another to get it done.[/b]

Exactly. Now I'll admit "black pride" sometimes seems to involve unfunny comedians making anti-white jokes, but I think it's a lot more of what you said...banding together to help each other. I can't fault anyone for doing that, especially since it's not like the black community couldn't use some help from within sometimes.

Turning the tables, I suppose one could argue that this is racism if this group isn't oppressed. (as a hole)

Indeed. Feigned oppression as an excuse to attack the "oppressors" has a long history that continues today. What's hard to deal with is that it looks in many ways like ACTUAL oppression and reasonable action taken against it. The rhetoric is much the same, so it sounds good to a lot of people. But if you can look past the fiery speeches and see whether anyone is REALLY being oppressed, it's pretty easy to tell the difference.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
It's just two words, White and Black but when both are used in this context one comes across as racist and the other doesn't. It's easily explained, through out American History White Power has meant exclusivity and the promotion of superiority of the White race over other races where as Black Power has meant empowerment of blacks to achieve equality.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

I taught my kids that white people aren't any better then black people AND that black people aren't any better then white people.

😕

I've said many times on this board that what's good for the goose is good for the gander too. I believe that if we truly want an equal society (and I know I do) then we have to be colorblind... and that means ALL of us have to be colorblind.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: cwjerome

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Oh I don't know. The narcolepsy of the middle class, the dream that they will one day be rich, the illusion that there are rules they can follow to gain wealth, this sleep walking dream they have, leads them not only to slaughter by the wealthy and corporations, but slaughter by their own hand. It's class warfare and they have been given drugs that create the illusion they are winning. Every sucker is the victim of his own greed.

Such an evolutionary infantile outlook, barely applicable when Marx wrote his gibberish, and completely oblivious to reality today. Look around you... people from nothing become something everyday and that's why the victimization dream you preach will never take hold. Unless everyone else takes a bad LSD trip like you, finds "Truth," and begins babbling about hate and illusions... you'll be a singular voice of emotional irrationalism, trapped in your own narcolepsy.

My, my, so defensive. I admit though, that if you take a bucket of rats and throw them in a toilet full of shit and flush it, a few will escape. You are a blind fool who sees the ones who escape as winners because your nose is plugged. A block head like you could probably use some LSD to expand your senses or give you some. 🙂 It's you who is the believer, a tool of the capitalist system. Competition, my dear fellow, is hate, although you can't see that either, and to win somebody else has to lose. See the thread about the firmware of the brain being different in Eastern and Western people, and hot the West is all about I me me mine. You are a rat in a cage who has an uncontrollable need to gnaw and gnaw and gnaw with your capitalist teeth.

Look at the mess, the rats have eaten all the cheese. Time to go extinct. Bu bye!

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
It's just two words, White and Black but when both are used in this context one comes across as racist and the other doesn't. It's easily explained, through out American History White Power has meant exclusivity and the promotion of superiority of the White race over other races where as Black Power has meant empowerment of blacks to achieve equality.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

I taught my kids that white people aren't any better then black people AND that black people aren't any better then white people.

😕

What's so confusing? If you tell people that you need to support the [black/white] community you're continually reinforcing the idea that you need to pay attention to the color of people's skin and treat them accordingly. For good or for bad, it's still racism.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
It's just two words, White and Black but when both are used in this context one comes across as racist and the other doesn't. It's easily explained, through out American History White Power has meant exclusivity and the promotion of superiority of the White race over other races where as Black Power has meant empowerment of blacks to achieve equality.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

I taught my kids that white people aren't any better then black people AND that black people aren't any better then white people.

😕

I've said many times on this board that what's good for the goose is good for the gander too.
I've also said

Haste makes waste

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink

I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy

among many other things

:shocked::thumbsup::laugh:

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
It's just two words, White and Black but when both are used in this context one comes across as racist and the other doesn't. It's easily explained, through out American History White Power has meant exclusivity and the promotion of superiority of the White race over other races where as Black Power has meant empowerment of blacks to achieve equality.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

I taught my kids that white people aren't any better then black people AND that black people aren't any better then white people.

😕

I've said many times on this board that what's good for the goose is good for the gander too.
I've also said

Haste makes waste

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink

I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy

among many other things

:shocked::thumbsup::laugh:

There's a lot of old saying out there, how about this one:

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. 😛