Should I get a Plasma or LCD?

[IGBT]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: IGBT
..it's going to boil down to buisness and capex. It's cheaper to mass produce LCD's. They have more technological headroom and satisify the vast majority of consumers.

LCDs have more headroom because they haven't even caught up to plasmas yet. And with Pioneers new line, they BETTER have A LOT more headroom.

Quit quoting sources that have a stake in their own technology. They'll tend to skew the information. For instance, those big numbers they're throwing out include LCD TVs under 42". Plasma doesn't even compete with those products. But those numbers look GREAT though. :roll:

..the casual observer (nearly all consumers) don't see the difference. And the industry is well aware of this. Good enough is good enough to most viewers and they are the one's that drive the market.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: IGBT

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: IGBT
..it's going to boil down to buisness and capex. It's cheaper to mass produce LCD's. They have more technological headroom and satisify the vast majority of consumers.

LCDs have more headroom because they haven't even caught up to plasmas yet. And with Pioneers new line, they BETTER have A LOT more headroom.

Quit quoting sources that have a stake in their own technology. They'll tend to skew the information. For instance, those big numbers they're throwing out include LCD TVs under 42". Plasma doesn't even compete with those products. But those numbers look GREAT though. :roll:

..the casual observer (nearly all consumers) don't see the difference. And the industry is well aware of this. Good enough is good enough to most viewers and they are the one's that drive the market.

You don't know much about audio video then.

What I mean is the enthusiast drives the market just as much as joe sick pack. Just go to any CES.

 

[Mani]

I've met with all the major TV manufacturers in NDA closed-door meetings and out of all the technologies and products that I've seen in their current and next-gen products, the ones that impressed me the most were the 1080p Panasonic Plasmas.

Philips also surprised me as they have the best video processing of the TVs I've seen outside of the HQV-powered sets...though their panels are nothing special.

 

[IGBT]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: IGBT

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: IGBT
..it's going to boil down to buisness and capex. It's cheaper to mass produce LCD's. They have more technological headroom and satisify the vast majority of consumers.

LCDs have more headroom because they haven't even caught up to plasmas yet. And with Pioneers new line, they BETTER have A LOT more headroom.

Quit quoting sources that have a stake in their own technology. They'll tend to skew the information. For instance, those big numbers they're throwing out include LCD TVs under 42". Plasma doesn't even compete with those products. But those numbers look GREAT though. :roll:

..the casual observer (nearly all consumers) don't see the difference. And the industry is well aware of this. Good enough is good enough to most viewers and they are the one's that drive the market.

You don't know much about audio video then.

What I mean is the enthusiast drives the market just as much as joe sick pack. Just go to any CES.

.....go to any walmart and see what's going on.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: IGBT
.....go to any walmart and see what's going on.

point.

At least we won that battle.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: spidey07
Jack,

As an informed person you should know that the plasma runs out in just a few short years and you can't replace it, right?

LCD FTW!

Yep, it runs out of gas and then just dies.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: IGBT

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: IGBT
..it's going to boil down to buisness and capex. It's cheaper to mass produce LCD's. They have more technological headroom and satisify the vast majority of consumers.

LCDs have more headroom because they haven't even caught up to plasmas yet. And with Pioneers new line, they BETTER have A LOT more headroom.

Quit quoting sources that have a stake in their own technology. They'll tend to skew the information. For instance, those big numbers they're throwing out include LCD TVs under 42". Plasma doesn't even compete with those products. But those numbers look GREAT though. :roll:

..the casual observer (nearly all consumers) don't see the difference. And the industry is well aware of this. Good enough is good enough to most viewers and they are the one's that drive the market.

You don't know much about audio video then.

What I mean is the enthusiast drives the market just as much as joe sick pack. Just go to any CES.

Joe Sixpack likes Bose so that could spell the end for B&W and Paradigm. OH NOO!

Is this what LCD backers are left with? From what is the best HDTV, to "Ummm Joe Sixpack buys stuff at Wal-Mart, so ummm... What was the question again?"

 

[nycxandy]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: spidey07
Jack,

As an informed person you should know that the plasma runs out in just a few short years and you can't replace it, right?

LCD FTW!

Yep, it runs out of gas and then just dies.

Just get a gas replacement and it'll all be fine and dandy!

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: spidey07
Jack,

As an informed person you should know that the plasma runs out in just a few short years and you can't replace it, right?

LCD FTW!

Yep, it runs out of gas and then just dies.

In all honesty, the reason why people poo-poo plasma is because they can't afford it.. With the new plasmas it's gonna be awesome. I think I already mentioned that you can get a SUPER LCD these days, but you are going to pay for it.

I bow to the performance of a great 15K+ projector and wouldn't pretend to say it isn't better because I've seen them. But it astounds me just how far people will ignore facts to justify their own purchase.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: IGBT
.....go to any walmart and see what's going on.

point.

At least we won that battle.

LOL, go to Wal-Mart and see what is going on. Man, that is great.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: spidey07
Jack,

As an informed person you should know that the plasma runs out in just a few short years and you can't replace it, right?

LCD FTW!

Yep, it runs out of gas and then just dies.

In all honesty, the reason why people poo-poo plasma is because they can't afford it.. With the new plasmas it's gonna be awesome. I think I already mentioned that you can get a SUPER LCD these days, but you are going to pay for it.

I bow to the performance of a great 15K+ projector and wouldn't pretend to say it isn't better because I've seen them. But it astounds me just how far people will ignore facts to justify their own purchase.

Exactly. That's the feeling I get too. I just don't understand those people. Let me tell you, I sure as hell can't afford a $250,000 Runco projector, but God damn, I'm sure as hell not going to talk sh!t about it. I would love to have an A/V set up that would include that bad boy. But I'd probably just end up living in the theater room.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: spidey07
Jack,

As an informed person you should know that the plasma runs out in just a few short years and you can't replace it, right?

LCD FTW!

Yep, it runs out of gas and then just dies.

In all honesty, the reason why people poo-poo plasma is because they can't afford it.. With the new plasmas it's gonna be awesome. I think I already mentioned that you can get a SUPER LCD these days, but you are going to pay for it.

I bow to the performance of a great 15K+ projector and wouldn't pretend to say it isn't better because I've seen them. But it astounds me just how far people will ignore facts to justify their own purchase.

Exactly. That's the feeling I get too. I just don't understand those people. Let me tell you, I sure as hell can't afford a $250,000 Runco projector, but God damn, I'm sure as hell not going to talk sh!t about it. I would love to have a A/V set up that would include that bad boy. But I'd probably just end up living in the theater room.

They poo poo it because they have never experienced it or can't. It's hard to expect everyone to experience something that only a small % of people have. Think first, how many people have HDTV? I know there are too many people who don't even appreciate it and would settle for low def. I have friends watching regular ESPN when they clearly have HD and when I sit down on their couch I scream WTF ARE YOU SMOKING. Next, move onto the elite of the elite HDTV crowd--the crowd that buys $3000+ LCD screens or plasma screens. That's an even smaller crowd.

When you want to be elite you have to talk with a rich crowd. I don't want to offend the GH crowd, but when you want to go all out and do phase change cooling, you're not going to talk to the GH crowd that's always asking which PSU to use. I head over to XtremeSystems where the guys are going all out on their systems for 2 mhz performance boosts.

Similarly, you're going ot run into a lot of early adopters here who jumped into DLP. People will always be telling you to go with DLP or LCD projections or whatever simply because they want large screens. Similarly, they'll tell you to jump on Westy 1080p deals. Sure they're all great deals, but those cheap LCDs still can't match the Sony Bravia XBR LCD series.

I have done my fair share in comparing LCD and Plasma, and the Bravia vs a Pioneer Elite results in the Elite winning. I still bought the Bravia because I wanted 1080p. Boy was that a mistake. It's not a bad screen don't get me wrong, but going plasma will get you a lot more realistic colors.

Hey, but that's what you get for being an early adopter.

Honestly, going to Walmart and Costco to look for HDTVs is almost hte WRONG choice. Best Buy has some decent stuff, but if you want better go to specialized HT stores like Magnolia or whatever. You get a lot more plasma screens being shown and LCDs. DLPs are for cheap bastards who can't afford better. It's just like celerons IMO. Yea it's still big money in the end, but if you wanted the good stuff you would've easily moved beyond any projection TV.

 

[CorCentral]

The reply for most people that have not a clue of what HD is and are upgrading from a CRT/Tube tv and want to see a Quantum Leap in picture quality?..........

Just get a nice HD 720P Panasonic Plasma set, make sure your TV service provides an HD/tv tier.......... and you'll enjoy an awesome picture.

Go by the advice of JackBurton in this thread. As for the others pushing LCD........? It's just not there yet Pilgrims.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: JackBurton
I love this, when people run out of facts they throw out the fanboy card. Absolutely hilarious.

Originally posted by: Vic
Sorry, fanbois, newer LCDs look stellar. Even the cheap ones. Good blacks, bright colors, crisp resolutions.

Sure, a top of the line plasma might still look better than a top of the line LCD, but most people don't care about that and never will. Joe Sixpack is upgrading his 10 year old 27" CRT. If plasma can't compete in that market, then it can't compete period.

Plasma competes just fine in the 42" and larger screen sizes. As a matter of fact, Panasonic and Pioneer are doing great. They don't compete very well in the 42" and smaller TVs because...they don't don't make any that small. If Joe Six pack wants a 42" or larger TV, he'll be looking most likely at a DLP, LCD or plasma. And with Panasonic's new line, they look fantastic and are extremely competitive in their pricing. How is that for competition.

What else you got?

Obviously more logic and less emotionalism than you, but I proved that long ago.

 

[watdahel]

From what I gather from you fine folks, in a UFC match, plasma will rear-naked-lady-choke the LCD. Dare I ask my next question? Of course. So which brand to go for? I believe Samsung manufactures the majority of CRT tubes. Do they also hold the crown with plasma displays? It sounds like you guys prefer Panasonics. Is it for technical reasons or is it Christian Slater's voice saying, "ideas for life"?

 

[IGBT]

Plasma Sales Fall As Retailers Cut Back..07/05/2007

Plasma panel shipments fell 14 percent quarter to quarter and 1 percent year to year, to 2.3 million panels. DisplaySearch called it "the lowest result since the third quarter of 2005." At the same time mass market retailers are set to cut back floor space for plasma screens in favour of LCD TVs.





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With units and selling prices down, revenues plummeted 26 percent quarter to quarter and 28 percent year to year to $1.3 billion, the lowest value since the second quarter of 2005," according to the analyst's report.

DisplaySearch attributed the decline to a loss of share to LCDs, particularly 1080p LCDs, at 37 inches and larger sizes.

 

[nycxandy]

Originally posted by: IGBT
Plasma Sales Fall As Retailers Cut Back..07/05/2007

Plasma panel shipments fell 14 percent quarter to quarter and 1 percent year to year, to 2.3 million panels. DisplaySearch called it "the lowest result since the third quarter of 2005." At the same time mass market retailers are set to cut back floor space for plasma screens in favour of LCD TVs.





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With units and selling prices down, revenues plummeted 26 percent quarter to quarter and 28 percent year to year to $1.3 billion, the lowest value since the second quarter of 2005," according to the analyst's report.

DisplaySearch attributed the decline to a loss of share to LCDs, particularly 1080p LCDs, at 37 inches and larger sizes.

It doesn't change the fact that plasma offers the superior picture quality.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: JackBurton
I love this, when people run out of facts they throw out the fanboy card. Absolutely hilarious.

Originally posted by: Vic
Sorry, fanbois, newer LCDs look stellar. Even the cheap ones. Good blacks, bright colors, crisp resolutions.

Sure, a top of the line plasma might still look better than a top of the line LCD, but most people don't care about that and never will. Joe Sixpack is upgrading his 10 year old 27" CRT. If plasma can't compete in that market, then it can't compete period.

Plasma competes just fine in the 42" and larger screen sizes. As a matter of fact, Panasonic and Pioneer are doing great. They don't compete very well in the 42" and smaller TVs because...they don't don't make any that small. If Joe Six pack wants a 42" or larger TV, he'll be looking most likely at a DLP, LCD or plasma. And with Panasonic's new line, they look fantastic and are extremely competitive in their pricing. How is that for competition.

What else you got?

Obviously more logic and less emotionalism than you, but I proved that long ago.

I know you just wanted to respond to my post because, well, you just had to say something, anything. I've provided pure numbers and first hand accounts. It doesn't get much more logical than that. You're out of your league here. I'd leave this one alone if I were you.

Now go back to your home in P&N.

 

[Jinny]

too much debate.
lcd is nice but
plasma is superior.
sure 1080p lcds are cheaper than 1080p plasmas, doesn't make them better.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: JackBurton
I love this, when people run out of facts they throw out the fanboy card. Absolutely hilarious.

Originally posted by: Vic
Sorry, fanbois, newer LCDs look stellar. Even the cheap ones. Good blacks, bright colors, crisp resolutions.

Sure, a top of the line plasma might still look better than a top of the line LCD, but most people don't care about that and never will. Joe Sixpack is upgrading his 10 year old 27" CRT. If plasma can't compete in that market, then it can't compete period.

Plasma competes just fine in the 42" and larger screen sizes. As a matter of fact, Panasonic and Pioneer are doing great. They don't compete very well in the 42" and smaller TVs because...they don't don't make any that small. If Joe Six pack wants a 42" or larger TV, he'll be looking most likely at a DLP, LCD or plasma. And with Panasonic's new line, they look fantastic and are extremely competitive in their pricing. How is that for competition.

What else you got?

Obviously more logic and less emotionalism than you, but I proved that long ago.

I know you just wanted to respond to my post because, well, you just had to say something, anything. I've provided pure numbers and first hand accounts. It doesn't get much more logical than that. You're out of your league here. I'd leave this one alone if I were you.

Now go back to your home in P&N.

You might have to someone else' post, but you did not reply to my thread with logic or first hand accounts, or is that just a straw man on your part?
I'm not knocking plasmas and never did. I just said that if the only place they can compete is at the very high-end of the market, which makes up a ridiculously tiny fraction of market share (the "lunatic fringe"), then they will not be able to compete in the long run.
In fact, that's all I see anyone arguing here, despite your need (as usual) to pretend it's something else.
High margins can't make up for low volume. Early adopters pay for ongoing development, market share is required for ROI and eventually profits. Why? Because he who wins market share gets to determine what the next generation will look like.
So yes, being cheaper doesn't make LCDs better, but it does make them just good enough for the majority of consumers who will be buying them.

 

[TheAdvocate]

Originally posted by: nycxandy
It doesn't change the completely unsupported assumption that plasma offers the superior picture quality.

just relable this the fanboy thread already. fo fvcks sake.

neither one is "better' because "better" is purely subjective, including the space that you install or display the picture. a plasma would have been absolute crap in my brightly lit bonus room because of the glare and natural light in the room. meanwhile, i almost pulled thr trigger on the comparably priced samsung 42" 720p set, but i preferred the picture of the 1080p lcd that i bought.

there is no absolute correct answer. each tech has its advantages. if one were that far ahead, thats all that the market would demand.

but dont tell jackburton that, he's hellbent on his crusade, the one where he's converted exactly zero people to his thinking, despite posting every 12 seconds, responding to himself, no less.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: erwin1978
I'm ready to get a new ~50" television. I don't care for projection TVs because I don't want to be bothered replacing the bulb. Should I go with Plasma or LCD? Why is it that Plasmas only do around 720p while LCDs can go 1080p?

People complain about bulbs, but LCD/Plasmas to not last forever.

 

[DBL]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: erwin1978
I'm ready to get a new ~50" television. I don't care for projection TVs because I don't want to be bothered replacing the bulb. Should I go with Plasma or LCD? Why is it that Plasmas only do around 720p while LCDs can go 1080p?

People complain about bulbs, but LCD/Plasmas to not last forever.

a half-lifetime of 60K hours. may as well be forever and certainly longer than a tractional CRT.

 

[IGBT]

Originally posted by: nycxandy

Originally posted by: IGBT
Plasma Sales Fall As Retailers Cut Back..07/05/2007

Plasma panel shipments fell 14 percent quarter to quarter and 1 percent year to year, to 2.3 million panels. DisplaySearch called it "the lowest result since the third quarter of 2005." At the same time mass market retailers are set to cut back floor space for plasma screens in favour of LCD TVs.





Text


With units and selling prices down, revenues plummeted 26 percent quarter to quarter and 28 percent year to year to $1.3 billion, the lowest value since the second quarter of 2005," according to the analyst's report.

DisplaySearch attributed the decline to a loss of share to LCDs, particularly 1080p LCDs, at 37 inches and larger sizes.

It doesn't change the fact that plasma offers the superior picture quality.

..the sales don't support the rhetoric. The casual observer can't tell the difference. When you consider power consumption and overall similar performance your dollars ahead with a LCD.

 

[DBL]

Originally posted by: IGBT
..the sales don't support the rhetoric. The casual observer can't tell the difference. When you consider power consumption and overall similar performance your dollars ahead with a LCD.

What exactly are you arguing about? The OP wants a 50" display. What would you recommend?