Should I get a firearm for my new townhouse?

[Jumpem]

Originally posted by: DP
seriously, don't be a moron.

What's wrong with a thread about firearms?

 

[slightlyhuman]

Originally posted by: Jumpem

Originally posted by: DP
seriously, don't be a moron.

What's wrong with a thread about firearms?

hmm, let's post a thread asking why the threads are being locked or something related to that matter. then when THAT thread gets locked, lets post ANOTHER thread asking if people have ever had their threads locked.


good god dude, you're a fvcking IDIOT

 

[Jumpem]

Originally posted by: DP
hmm, let's post a thread asking why the threads are being locked or something related to that matter. then when THAT thread gets locked, lets post ANOTHER thread asking if people have ever had their threads locked.

good god dude, you're a fvcking IDIOT

What's wrong with posting a thread to have a discussion. That said, you can PM me if you want to thread crap.

 

[Scouzer]

Originally posted by: brigden

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: brigden
I'm not going to get into an anti-gun thing, but I find it odd that Americans feel the need to protect themselves with a gun in their homes.

Here in Canada the idea is nearly unheard of. Same as when I lived in the UK.

Is home invasion that big a threat, even in nice areas?

pffftt... Canada has a higher rate of gun ownership than the US (50% of households to 40% of households). Home invasion is not a threat, because the people own guns. Simple common sense.

You're talking out of your ass. There are 2.3 million registered firearm owners in Canada. On a per capita basis, there is a 40% ownership in America, versus 20% in Canada. That's half, in case you were trying to do the math.

Well...as much as I agree that 50%-40% is a total bogus statistic...

Registered firearms, particularily in Canada =! Household Ownership %

The gun registry is horrible. So even law abiding citizens often do not register.

 

[slightlyhuman]

Originally posted by: Jumpem

Originally posted by: DP
hmm, let's post a thread asking why the threads are being locked or something related to that matter. then when THAT thread gets locked, lets post ANOTHER thread asking if people have ever had their threads locked.

good god dude, you're a fvcking IDIOT

What's wrong with posting a thread to have a discussion. That said, you can PM me if you want to thread crap.

what's wrong with having a little COMMON SENSE? check ebay, you might find some for a good price.

btw, fvck your thread

 

[Jumpem]

Originally posted by: DP
what's wrong with having a little COMMON SENSE? check ebay, you might find some for a good price.

btw, fvck your thread

You have quite the personality. :laugh:

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: NiKeFiDO

Originally posted by: brigden
I'm not going to get into an anti-gun thing, but I find it odd that Americans feel the need to protect themselves with a gun in their homes.

Here in Canada the idea is nearly unheard of. Same as when I lived in the UK.

Is home invasion that big a threat, even in nice areas?

nope, its 100% ego and wanting to have something powerful near you. typical american nonesense.

Yes, it is completely unthinkable that someone might want one for self defense purposes.

I?d call the increasingly popular European idea that pacifism is the best way to deal with crime, nonsense.

 

[smc13]

Originally posted by: MagicConch

Originally posted by: Jumpem
Insurance is good if they want to steal something, but what if they intend to harm you or your wife?

A shotgun somewhat takes aiming and adrenaline out of the equation.

I am saying in most cases people rarely come into private homes looking to kill someone (I am not saying it doesn't happen, I am sure it does or they come to do harm). They usually come for something material IMO and if you give it to them they will go away. I think the probability of being in a life threatening situation in your home where a gun would save your life is smaller than the probability of being in a situation in your home where a gun can actually cause a death (I don't feel like looking up stats, it's just an opinion). I am not saying don't buy a gun or guns are bad, I just don't buy the guns lead to home safety thing. However each person is different, you are a better judge of what you need that I am.

I don't own a gun, but this response doesn't make sense. Why would I just give some robber my possessions and let insurance take care of replacing them? All that does is increase the cost of insurance for everyone and increases the chance of you getting robbed again. Why make it easy for someone to rob you and pass on the expense to society? It seems unethical to me to harm society and help a robber. We'd be much better off if everyone owned a shotgun and practiced with it. That would reduce the number of home invasions and reduce the cost of insurance.

 

[brigden]

Originally posted by: Scouzer

Originally posted by: brigden

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: brigden
I'm not going to get into an anti-gun thing, but I find it odd that Americans feel the need to protect themselves with a gun in their homes.

Here in Canada the idea is nearly unheard of. Same as when I lived in the UK.

Is home invasion that big a threat, even in nice areas?

pffftt... Canada has a higher rate of gun ownership than the US (50% of households to 40% of households). Home invasion is not a threat, because the people own guns. Simple common sense.

You're talking out of your ass. There are 2.3 million registered firearm owners in Canada. On a per capita basis, there is a 40% ownership in America, versus 20% in Canada. That's half, in case you were trying to do the math.

Well...as much as I agree that 50%-40% is a total bogus statistic...

Registered firearms, particularily in Canada =! Household Ownership %

The gun registry is horrible. So even law abiding citizens often do not register.

As many as 90% of firearm owners in Canada participate in the registration. Current estimates place overall ownership at about 23%. The latest statistics in the US indicate 45% ownership.

I agree, the gun registry in Canada is mickey mouse, but it's a start.

BTW, that 23% includes air guns, pellet guns, starting pistols, tranq guns, etc.

 

[DrPizza]

It's ironic that the organizations that are very vocal about firearms for safety are also the organizations who promote the sale of arms safes to store your firearms in safely.

That said, I have shotguns and a 22 laying all around the house at the moment... Til the family room is done being remodeled, the gun cabinet is in the garage (and I won't keep my guns out there; and I've been using them lately.)

 

[Fingers]

Originally posted by: PhasmatisNox
Home protection = shotgun.

It's the sound of a pump-action shotgun racking that you want. It'll send most intruders packing.

The first shot of almost any gun being fired at them is often more effective. That is until they run out of blood.

 

[PELarson]

Originally posted by: Jumpem

Originally posted by: PELarson
I have lived in Camillus since 68'. Quite safe.

The lake is very polluted. Not as polluted as it used to be but it is still quite bad. The industries in Solvay used to dump their left overs into the lake. But, they have started fishing the lake again aftre 50 years. Which might be a good sign.

Oh cool, you live there. What are your general thoughts on the area, anything you like or dislike?

I'm thinking of buying a house thier when my lease is up and I get used to the area.

Very nice area. Carousel sucked most of the retail business out of the area but that should be improving now that WalMart is putting in a superstore. There are quite a few parks and trails. Down by the Sportsmen's Club is an old section of the Erie Canal with a Aquaduct and hiking trails.

I would say a good area to start/raise a family.

 

[Fingers]

Originally posted by: Jumpem

Originally posted by: MagicConch
Well for one, even if you are confident you will be able to kill someone in the name of your own security, you may be too stressed at the time to aim accurately. IMO many people are way too overconfident about their shooting skills b/c they only practice in a highly controlled environment. Then there is also the very real possibility that you will be shot with your own gun if the other guy is able to either find it before you or take it from you. It's not a far-fetched possibility. I think if you weigh all this against the probability that you are in a life threatening situation in your home, I think it doesn't make a lot of sense to take that approach to security IMO. Insurance + a laid back, non confrontational attitude in such a situation will save your butt more reliably than a gun in the same situation IMO.

Insurance is good if they want to steal something, but what if they intend to harm you or your wife?

A shotgun somewhat takes aiming and adrenaline out of the equation.

Have you ever fired a shotgun? or did you just forget that they don't spread that much.

 

[MowSow]

Originally posted by: brigden
I'm not going to get into an anti-gun thing, but I find it odd that Americans feel the need to protect themselves with a gun in their homes.

Here in Canada the idea is nearly unheard of. Same as when I lived in the UK.

Is home invasion that big a threat, even in nice areas?

Main stream media breeds fear .. that's the only reason .. when people are afraid they are much easier to control by their government.

?A nation of sheep begets a government of wolves?

 

[Jumpem]

Originally posted by: PELarson
Very nice area. Carousel sucked most of the retail business out of the area but that should be improving now that WalMart is putting in a superstore. There are quite a few parks and trails. Down by the Sportsmen's Club is an old section of the Erie Canal with a Aquaduct and hiking trails.

I would say a good area to start/raise a family.

There is a Walmart and Wegmans on West Genessee(?) street right? Is that going to be a Super Walmart, or somewhere else?

Can you give me a link to the local paper. Also, any recommendations on realtors or specific places to look into?

 

[Fingers]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: NiKeFiDO

Originally posted by: brigden
I'm not going to get into an anti-gun thing, but I find it odd that Americans feel the need to protect themselves with a gun in their homes.

Here in Canada the idea is nearly unheard of. Same as when I lived in the UK.

Is home invasion that big a threat, even in nice areas?

nope, its 100% ego and wanting to have something powerful near you. typical american nonesense.

Yes, it is completely unthinkable that someone might want one for self defense purposes.

I?d call the increasingly popular European idea that pacifism is the best way to deal with crime, nonsense.

Worked great for them during WWII!

 

[Jumpem]

Originally posted by: Fingers
Have you ever fired a shotgun? or did you just forget that they don't spread that much.

I've never fired a shotgun. I like my friends AR, but that'd have to much penetration to be a good home weapon.

 

[ahurtt]

Just whatever gun you get, since you are living in a townhouse, make sure you load it with appropriate ammo that will not fly through the drywall and kill the neighbor. . .unless of course that is your intention 😉

 

[Jumpem]

Originally posted by: ahurtt
Just whatever gun you get, since you are living in a townhouse, make sure you load it with appropriate ammo that will not fly through the drywall and kill the neighbor. . .unless of course that is your intention 😉

I've only seen them briefly, but they seemed ok. 🙂

 

[Fingers]

Originally posted by: Jumpem

Originally posted by: Fingers
Have you ever fired a shotgun? or did you just forget that they don't spread that much.

I've never fired a shotgun. I like my friends AR, but that'd have to much penetration to be a good home weapon.

Get a lightweight varmint bullet. They explode on contact.


Although I don't think I could ever bring myself to use something so small for protection.

Check These Out for personal protection using an AR15

 

[ahurtt]

Originally posted by: Jumpem


Insurance is good if they want to steal something, but what if they intend to harm you or your wife?

A shotgun somewhat takes aiming and adrenaline out of the equation.

Well then you better hope that your shot does not need to be well placed 😉 Wouldn't want to catch your wife or kid in the spray now would you?

 

[Jumpem]

Originally posted by: ahurtt
Well then you better hope that your shot does not need to be well placed 😉 Wouldn't want to catch your wife or kid in the spray now would you?

Of course not.

 

[MagicConch]

Originally posted by: smc13
I don't own a gun, but this response doesn't make sense. Why would I just give some robber my possessions and let insurance take care of replacing them? All that does is increase the cost of insurance for everyone and increases the chance of you getting robbed again. Why make it easy for someone to rob you and pass on the expense to society? It seems unethical to me to harm society and help a robber. We'd be much better off if everyone owned a shotgun and practiced with it. That would reduce the number of home invasions and reduce the cost of insurance.

Your argument is based on some initial assumptions that I don't agree with- (1) there would be less home theft if everyone owned a gun (and hence cheaper insurance) (2) the # of home invasions overall would be less if everyone owned a gun. I honestly doubt it would be a deterrent long-term. Do areas in the US where people have more guns per capita (legal + illegal) enjoy smaller insurance premiums and are safer than areas with less gun ownership? I don't believe that personally, at least in this country.

Re: cost of insurance, keep in mind they also have to insure accidental discharge of firearms for those who own firearms. Is it irresponsible for gun owners to cause all of us to pay for damages they themselves cause accidentally to others in their own homes w/ their own guns (b/c homeowners insurace usually covers some of that including medical, liability, etc)? They don't charge them extra against someone who doesn't own a gun (many insurances don't vary premiums based on gun ownership which is in itself a statement re: the relationship of gun ownership to home security IMO). Instead they calculate it into everyone's premiums. That doesn't bother me personally. I don't expect gun owners to worry about my increased insurance fees when they buy guns, and if they worried that me taking a passive approach would increase their premiums, I wouldn't take them seriously to be honest.

If the starting points of our opinions is different, I don't think it's logical to argue their validity against one another.

 

[Jumpem]

Originally posted by: MagicConch

Your argument is based on some initial assumptions that I don't agree with- (1) there would be less home theft if everyone owned a gun (and hence cheaper insurance) (2) the # of home invasions overall would be less if everyone owned a gun. I honestly doubt it would be a deterrent long-term. Do areas in the US where people have more guns per capita (legal + illegal) enjoy smaller insurance premiums and are safer than areas with less gun ownership? I don't believe that personally, at least in this country.

Re: cost of insurance, keep in mind they also have to insure accidental discharge of firearms for those who own firearms. Is it irresponsible for gun owners to cause all of us to pay for damages they themselves cause accidentally to others in their own homes w/ their own guns (b/c homeowners insurace usually covers some of that including medical, liability, etc)? They don't charge them extra against someone who doesn't own a gun (many insurances don't vary premiums based on gun ownership which is in itself a statement re: the relationship of gun ownership to home security IMO). Instead they calculate it into everyone's premiums. That doesn't bother me personally. I don't expect gun owners to worry about my increased insurance fees when they buy guns, and if they worried that me taking a passive approach would increase their premiums, I wouldn't take them seriously to be honest.

If the starting points of our opinions is different, I don't think it's logical to argue their validity against one another.

These places tend to be rural and non-urban. There is definitely far less crime in those areas.

 

[TallBill]

lol, after coming back from afghanistan, 3 MP's (myself included) moved into some new homes right next to each other.

all 3 of us are married, and by the end of the week, all 3 will have firearms in our homes.

our neighborhood is safe, but i guess we just have it in our heads to stay armed