should i get a 3.06?

[pavy]

hello
i am currently in the process of makin' my new comp, and I can't decide if i should go to 3.06 or not. I've got the opportunity to get one for about 500 bucks. I need your help! If i do get it, i know the price will go down over time, but i don't wanna get a slower CPU and for some reason, regret it later. Any opinion's will help.

THANKX!

 

[bgeh]

if you're getting the 3.06GHz just for Hyper-Threading, then i suggest you wait
Intel is already planning to launch the new 3.2GHz 800MHz FSB chip with HT
there also will be a lower clocked P4 chip with HT, which is the P4 2.4GHz 800Mhz FSB
they should be launched in april

 

[pavy]

any idea when the 3.2 is commin out?

 

[KidChaos]

500? Get it. No reason to wait.

 

[Ketchup]

Definitely go for it, especially if you like to overclock. I have heard 3.6-3.7 GHz with the retail cooler is pretty common.

 

[GrumpyMan]

If you already have a mobo that supports it then yeah I would get one. But it will be around $400.00 or so in March or April so I would wait. If you don't have a mobo already then I would wait until the 800 mghz fsb mobos come out and then upgrade.

 

[SickBeast]

you're best off waiting because of the new 800mhz fsb (as others have said). wait until you can get a motherboard that supports this setting or else you'll be out in the cold when it comes time to upgrade.

if you can't wait, i would reccomend a 2400+ chip from amd. i know it's hard to convince you intel-die-hard people, but the chips perform really well, and the 2400+ will most likely overclock to a speed that is very comparable to the 3.06 chip from intel. all that you'll lose is hyperthreading, i don't know how important that is to you.

i just got a 1700+ chip that does 2400+ speeds on stock air cooling at 0.1v above default, so that would be another option. good luck

 

[GrumpyMan]

<---------Not that much of a die hard. I think that the 2400+ is also an excellent suggestion. I am a die hard of performance, it doesn't matter what flavor it comes in.

 

[ScrewFace]

You got it, GrumpyMan. I'm getting an ATHLON XP 2400+ with an ABIT-NV7 mobo and 512MB of DDR400-SDRAM.

 

[SickBeast]

You got it, GrumpyMan. I'm getting an ATHLON XP 2400+ with an ABIT-NV7 mobo and 512MB of DDR400-SDRAM.

That sounds like an amazing system, especially if you can run at 200fsb with your ram set to the fastest timings. I have my system running at 2400+ speeds and believe me, it's very fast. Good luck

 

[jiffylube1024]

Originally posted by: ScrewFace
You got it, GrumpyMan. I'm getting an ATHLON XP 2400+ with an ABIT-NV7 mobo and 512MB of DDR400-SDRAM.

AAH! No, don't waste your money on the 2400+, get the faster 2100+ Tbred B!! The 2100+ seems to be even more overclockable than the 2400+, and is much cheaper. I'm running my 2100+ @ 2.275 GHz right now, at only 1.75V (faster than 2800+). It's an incredible chip!

 

[gururu]

tough decision. I'd get a slower cpu for now and pick up a faster one come christmas. Get a good motherboard.
you'll probably end up spending 500 for both and end up with two cpus: one slower than 3.06, and one faster.

 

[funks]

when are the new intel chipsets coming out that supports 200MHZ FSB?

Does the current i845PE mainboards support them?

 

[Tummy]

Hey *ketchup*, where did you hear the 3.6-3.7 from 3.06 OC #'s from? Friend of mine is picking up a 3.06HT for use on a GB board soon, and will be running it on a Koolance Exos. He's been wondering what I think it'll be able to OC to and I figured around 3.4 maybe. But, if 3.6-3.7 is possible on air, let alone the exos, I might want to pick up a 3.06 too!

 

[chizow]

If buying today, I'd go with an AMD system for comparable performance at lower costs.

If buying in a few months, I would wait for Canterwood with 800mhz FSB, dual-channel DDR, and rumors of full overclocking control (multi and FSB) on Intel chipsets.
Dual Channel + HT + the bandwidth hungry architecture of the Northwoods should be quite interesting; I expect it to distance itself from AMD on the high-end, but at what price, we'll see.

Chiz

 

[IQJUMPuw]

I've never heard of 3.06GHz running @ 3.7GHz on air before. HardOCP tried to run it with one of those nitro cooler or something like that and got somewhere around 4GHz but the CPU broke cuz it was too cold. I read that few weeks ago, so I'm sure they still have the article there somewhere. You should check it out.

I would either wait until April or get a AXP 2100+ and overclock that beast. You'll save so much money.

 

[Tummy]

Yep, saw that - thanks IQ.

I'm just wondering what kind of "regular" OC is posible out of the 3.06. heh

 

[Ketchup]

OK all you non-believers, here we go

First, HardOCP: http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=Mzg4LDU= "Our highest air cooled setting possible without sacrificing memory timings was 23 x 160MHz for a massive 3.68GHz and rock solid at 1.70v. Moving to water cooling we can easily achieve a solid 23 x 166 = 3.82GHz at 1.7v. We mean stable and solid where you can turn in impressive 18424 MadOnion scores all day long."

Second, vr-zone: http://www.vr-zone.com/reviews/Intel/P43060/page5.htm " have used the ABIT BG7 board to test out the overclockability of the P4 3.06Ghz. The CPU is running at a VCore of 1.75V and air cooled with Intel original cooler. Since the multiplier is locked at 23x therefore i have increased the FSB from 133Mhz to 165Mhz and overclocked the P4 3.06Ghz to 3.79Ghz! It is some 700Mhz over the default speed which it proves to be an excellent CPU for overclocking. With the Prometeia cooling system, this 3.06Ghz baby will surpass the 4Ghz mark stable."




I will add more links as I find them.

 

[tbates757]

Ya, if you feel comfortable running a new 3.06 at 1.7v

 

[KidChaos]

Originally posted by: funks
when are the new intel chipsets coming out that supports 200MHZ FSB? Does the current i845PE mainboards support them?

Abit BH7 can support a 800MHz QDR FSB processor. It may be the only mobo with the 845PE chipset which has that ability.

 

[chizow]

Originally posted by: KidChaos

Originally posted by: funks
when are the new intel chipsets coming out that supports 200MHZ FSB? Does the current i845PE mainboards support them?

Abit BH7 can support a 800MHz QDR FSB processor. It may be the only mobo with the 845PE chipset which has that ability.

The problem is that few if any P4's can even come close to 200mhz synchronously b/c of multiplier locks. Not sure if Canterwood will unlock P4's or if new 200mhz P4's will be multi-unlocked.

Chiz

 

[Tummy]

Thanks ketchup.. but that was just one person, who may or may not have been lucky.

I dunno - i mean, i see people like Erikean and... shoot, forgot the other dude now but they got like... 3.5 outta their 2.4's, so I'm thinking 3.5 ish outta the 3.06 is reasonable. But, you know, heck - if 3.6 or even 3.8 is achievable... cool! I'm not gonna complain. Maybe I'll just wait and see how my friends does and then if it's good, pick one up as well.

What's wrong with 1.7V? worried about the death syndrome thingie? I thought only if it was > 1.75v. Although, I don't wanna get into a discussion about that per se...

 

[Zap]

Pavy, we need some more info from you. Do you just want to have the biggest/baddest? Overclock, YES or NO? Preference, AMD or INTEL? Do you care about the system being quiet?

If I were to make a fast P4 system, I'd go for a 2.53GHz CPU. Reason is that I don't like paying a premium for the fastest chips only to see them plummet in price a month later, plus I can OC it easily (will be just as fast except for the HT). A friend of mine has a 2.50GHz (400MHz FSB) chip that can do around 2.9GHz without breaking a sweat or needing a voltage boost. With better cooling it runs around 3GHz, still without voltage boost. With more voltage (wire trick) it didn't seem to clock much higher. He's currently running it in a Shuttle SS51 mini system at default voltage at around 3GHz. He had to do a fan mod, put a Vantec Tornado on the stock heatpipe assembly with a Thermaltake fan speed controller. At lowest fan setting it is louder than stock, but puts out more air. Cooled it about 8ºC better than stock fan and allowed him another 100MHz.

 

[paxman]

you must have money burning a hole in your pocket. the best buy right now is a 2.5 Ghz chip. if money is no object then buy one for yourself and one for me!