Should I feel guilty here? Would you?

[ShotgunSteven]

Sh!t, everyone go turn on CNN! There is a report about people using things to do stuff to other people! :shocked:

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: archcommus
It's lunchtime here, too, except I forgot to put something together and don't feel like going somewhere, so I'll starve today. My VM is running quite happily though right now. You can launch them from a template? Interesting.

Go eat something, even if it's a bowl of soup. Otherwise you'll be dead in the water in two hours or so from low blood sugar. 😛

Oh, and ESX Server rules. Deploy machine from template, test process. If I kill the server, deploy a fresh one in about ten minutes. 🙂

- M4H

 

[dullard]

Why don't the Anandtech forum members ever consider duel blame?

1) You goofed, you should feel guilty for making the mistake and for knowing it may turn ugly and doing it anyways.
2) Someone way over-reacted. He/she should feel guilty for turning a small problem into a monumental one.

Two people did things wrong, two people are to blame, two people should feel guilty.

But no, Anandtech always is looking for only one person to blame and to say the other person was 100% innocent.

 

[archcommus]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: archcommus
It's lunchtime here, too, except I forgot to put something together and don't feel like going somewhere, so I'll starve today. My VM is running quite happily though right now. You can launch them from a template? Interesting.

Go eat something, even if it's a bowl of soup. Otherwise you'll be dead in the water in two hours or so from low blood sugar. 😛

Oh, and ESX Server rules. Deploy machine from template, test process. If I kill the server, deploy a fresh one in about ten minutes. 🙂

- M4H

So it's a way to keep the VMs going even if some running process screws it up?

Yeah I was considering apologizing, but it's really hard to bring yourself to that level for someone who never apologizes themselves and likes to hold grudges.

 

[sixone]

Originally posted by: dullard
Why don't the Anandtech forum members ever consider duel blame?

1) You goofed, you should feel guilty for making the mistake and for knowing it may turn ugly and doing it anyways.
2) Someone way over-reacted. He/she should feel guilty for turning a small problem into a monumental one.

Two people did things wrong, two people are to blame, two people should feel guilty.

But no, Anandtech always is looking for only one person to blame and to say the other person was 100% innocent.

Who said that?

 

[toolboxolio]

A butterfly flapped it's wings in china and it ended up making me sh!t my pants... should I be angry at the butterfly or myself for sh!tting my pants?

Know what I mean?!

 

[archcommus]

Originally posted by: dullard
Why don't the Anandtech forum members ever consider duel blame?

1) You goofed, you should feel guilty for making the mistake and for knowing it may turn ugly and doing it anyways.
2) Someone way over-reacted. He/she should feel guilty for turning a small problem into a monumental one.

Two people did things wrong, two people are to blame, two people should feel guilty.

But no, Anandtech always is looking for only one person to blame and to say the other person was 100% innocent.

I agree, we are both to blame, but my mistake in any normal case would've resulted in NOTHING, thus making me mad that I'm feeling guilty anyway.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: archcommus
So it's a way to keep the VMs going even if some running process screws it up?

No, the template is like a ghosted drive image that I just deploy into the storage pool and then run it. It's useful when you're playing with software that has a tendency to blow up servers if it's configured wrong. 😛

VMotion is nice though. What's that? Hardware failure imminent on server ESX_001? Migrate resident machines seamlessly to ESX_002 - 004, don't drop a single TCP packet, and let's bring the sucker down and fix it. 😀

- M4H

 

[Canai]

Originally posted by: toolboxolio
A butterfly flapped it's wings in china and it ended up making me sh!t my pants... should I be angry at the butterfly or myself for sh!tting my pants?

Know what I mean?!

Whoa. The same thing just happened to me 😕

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: sixone
Who said that?

It was me who said those exact words you quoted. It even says right there in your quote. 😉

As for examples, just look at ATOT threads (or even worse, P&N threads). It is full of people refusing to admit more than one party can share blame.

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: archcommus
I agree, we are both to blame, but my mistake in any normal case would've resulted in NOTHING, thus making me mad that I'm feeling guilty anyway.

Your portion of the blame may be miniscule compared to the blame the other person gets. Don't assume you both should feel equally guilty.

 

[sao123]

Originally posted by: archcommus
I'll spare you all the details, but basically I made a small mistake that wasn't really a big deal, but it pissed someone off who has a temper and then overreacted and caused an unnecessary outcome.

Now, this is really the fault of the person with the temper, but it's sort of mine too for making the mistake in the first place. Even though the end result should NOT have happened solely from my mistake.

Know what I mean? Would you feel guilty in such a case?

I will spare you the details of my logic, but sufficiently:

The mistake in-and-of itself is not the primary cause of the failure.
This particular failure consequence would not have occured if a different individual had made the same mistake as you did.
Assuming your participation, this particular failure consequence would have still manifested itself even if the 2nd party had not participated.

Since the 2nd party is proven irrelevent, and the mistake actions themselves are not the primary cause, the problem is therefore traced to the conclusion of your existance. If you did not exist, neither would the problem. But you exist, therefore so does the problem.

Know what i mean?

 

[GasX]

Let's cut to the chase, you are just looking for absolution for your screw up. You downplay its significance in order to guide us to the decision you want, but if you want community opinion, you need to provide details so we can determine whether or not your assement of "big deal" is a fair one. Judgement calls based on vagarities are little more than mental masturbation.

 

[Garet Jax]

Originally posted by: dullard
Why don't the Anandtech forum members ever consider duel blame?

1) You goofed, you should feel guilty for making the mistake and for knowing it may turn ugly and doing it anyways.
2) Someone way over-reacted. He/she should feel guilty for turning a small problem into a monumental one.

Two people did things wrong, two people are to blame, two people should feel guilty.

But no, Anandtech always is looking for only one person to blame and to say the other person was 100% innocent.

One thing is for sure - this post would never have happened if the OP hadn't posted - so you both are to blame for this post. Is that better?

 

[Garet Jax]

Originally posted by: toolboxolio
A butterfly flapped it's wings in china and it ended up making me sh!t my pants... should I be angry at the butterfly or myself for sh!tting my pants?

Know what I mean?!

Your pants for not having an escape chute.

 

[bonkers325]

yes. beg for forgiveness!

 

[MmmSkyscraper]

/me uses secret decoder wheel and lee7 h4x to crackz0r teh c0de!!!!11!!!

 

[So]

Originally posted by: Agentbolt
I love the asking for advice threads on ATOT.

It's either "Well something happened and then something else happened and then this other thing happened so what exactly should I do?" or something along the lines of "I've been pooping in my toilet for the past 6 weeks and it's starting to get really full and I'm not sure what to do, there has to be some way to empty it! I've started pooping in my sink for now but that's going to fill up soon too HELP ME ATOT!!!

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

I can see that post now.

 

[Luthien]

Originally posted by: slsmnaz

Originally posted by: archcommus
I'll spare you all the details, but basically I made a small mistake that wasn't really a big deal, but it pissed someone off who has a temper and then overreacted and caused an unnecessary outcome.

Now, this is really the fault of the person with the temper, but it's sort of mine too for making the mistake in the first place. Even though the end result should NOT have happened solely from my mistake.

Know what I mean? Would you feel guilty in such a case?

You should feel guilty for that post.

LOL, agree.