Should I cancel my RX 580 order?

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PeterScott

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Yeah that and they may be using GDDR6 which will also bring a pretty hefty gain as well..
I think this surprise launch will be just that, a surprise!!
Pretty sure they are trying to compete with the GTX 1070 with this refresh this go around.
Really hoping all these rumors are true and if not hey a 10% or 15% improvement would still be pretty great ini my book.

I can't seen a slightly higher clocked RX 580 getting near GTX 1070. The entire source of the rumor is this:

https://www.chiphell.com/thread-1911969-1-1.html
Translated:
[graphics card] amd will release a new card next month.
12nm refresh polaris, and finally decided to go out. . .
I hope to have a big performance boost.

It's just a comment on a forum. People seen to accept a forum in a foreign language as some kind of mystical source, but it looks pretty thin to me. From that 3 line comment in a forum, big full page rumor write ups appear.
 
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I'm actually more interested in the process tweak for the lowered power draw but even that may not be 10%...

As for the tariffs, I hadn't considered the spin that puts on things. It certainly tightens up the timetable for my decision to within the next week or so.



My budget is pretty firm at ~$250 max, so even 15% wont bump me up above a 580 or 1060 6GB, and also means I have to buy from Ebay. It may be paranoid of me, but I don't like buying electronics from them, as I feel I need to have a lot of trust in the seller. With Amazon for example, that's not a problem. The few extra bucks buys me peace of mind.
I bought the 1080 directly through evga from their ebay store. It was shipped by evga and once I received it I registered it on the evga website to get the full 3 year warranty and the free destiny 2 code. Don't know how it gets any safer than that?
 
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My budget is pretty firm at ~$250 max, so even 15% wont bump me up above a 580 or 1060 6GB, and also means I have to buy from Ebay. It may be paranoid of me, but I don't like buying electronics from them, as I feel I need to have a lot of trust in the seller. With Amazon for example, that's not a problem. The few extra bucks buys me peace of mind.
Well, on ebay, I do buy some things from individual sellers, and smaller vendors, but I buy the vast majority of my stuff from Newegg and BestBuy on ebay. Some from mp3superstore (SuperBiiz), and PlatinumTech, and Ascendtech.

Of the smaller sellers, I try to buy from vendors that sell in bulk qtys, not just one-offs (they're more likely to be a serious business, and not just an individual seller, and thus less flaky), and try to make sure that they have a good rating (some don't, and I've gotten burned once, got a different CPU in a refurb PC I ordered, then I checked the rating, and it was like 97 or 95%, kinda too low, unless you like gambling), and prefer mfg. refurb to seller refurb.
 

Ranulf

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From what I'm seeing on evga's ebay site, they only have 3 1080 models available at crazy inflated prices, same with the 1070 and 70ti models.
 

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AMD won't be releasing any new desktop GPU's this year. So, don't worry about this rumor. Lets say that magically in unicorn land this rumor was true, it would still be at least one month for AMD to officially announce these cards, at least 3-4 weeks for the reviews to come out and then usually at least 2 weeks before the cards have a paper launch, probably good 1 months after their initial sale day for availability and probably with a bit of an inflated price.

So at the earliest you are looking at a 3 months wait for a much more expensive graphic card and low availability.

So just get that 580 8gb and be happy with it.
 

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I dont think so, as I recall it the RX 580 wasnt even on the road map and was pretty hush hush and they announced it and then released it all within like a monthly time frame. So if they did this last time why not this time to??
 

zinfamous

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Ebay having a 15% off coupon code tomorrow. I picked up a new evga 1080 gtx for $365 last time. Way better than a $250 580.

If it's 60% above your price bracket, it isn't better or worse than your thing. It simply doesn't exist.

Yes, that is a great deal on that card, and it's a better value, but it really doesn't matter if you have an actual budget and your value is where you need it to be. Especially for the OP, who is only really doing 1080p. for $250, he can do everything he needs with a 580. He would see, what...maybe 5% actual advantage by spending $115 more on on a 1080 when he's locked at that res and, perhaps, 60hz?

My 280X has/had been great for me for the last 5 years or so at 1080p 60hz, and really, things looked pretty damn good. I could push Witcher 3 @ ~50fps constant in most of the game, and very decent settings--high shadows, lighting, medium this and that, none of that blur crap or whatever that clogs resources and adds the benefit of smudged detail. :D
 
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zinfamous

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AMD won't be releasing any new desktop GPU's this year. So, don't worry about this rumor. Lets say that magically in unicorn land this rumor was true, it would still be at least one month for AMD to officially announce these cards, at least 3-4 weeks for the reviews to come out and then usually at least 2 weeks before the cards have a paper launch, probably good 1 months after their initial sale day for availability and probably with a bit of an inflated price.

So at the earliest you are looking at a 3 months wait for a much more expensive graphic card and low availability.

So just get that 580 8gb and be happy with it.

No reason to expect they would do a paper launch, because they haven't done that in what, 2 generations now? They have been known to come out of nowhere with this stuff, as well, so I wouldn't be so certain that they won't have something with Polaris coming out.

Not that I think that they will, really. Except that they still have to fulfill orders with GloFo (not that the newest details are actually known), but they obviously need to be giving them some work through whatever agreement will be revised. The bulk of Zen is now at TSMC as they move towards 7nm, and that is certainly their focus going forward with Epyc, because that is absolutely poised to dominate that market in the next year or two. Few really doubt that, so it's pretty easy to see that this is where they are going....which puts some doubt on their GPU plans and space. But, they need to fulfill some 12nm orders for sure. This will leave low-end Zen and new "Athlon" cores, and even current Ryzen 2 chips that are still selling pretty well, I think. This is probably where they would be putting Polaris if they want to release something in a value segment, just to get something out there, but I'm honestly not sure what they hope to do there.

That process hasn't really been great for Polaris and it's been pretty terrible for Vega (these are still pretty good cards, but they are absolutely inefficient compared to what TSMC was doing on 14nm). I'm not sure if it is really worth it to them to release something in that "between 580 and 1070" range of performance, that is almost certainly not going to be as efficient as 1070 for the same overall performance.

7nm is the only thing that could make things interesting with their current Vega or even Polaris architecture, but I can't see that being anything but Rome and Zen 2 going forward throughout 2019. I think Navi is now 2020, maybe? That is likely where we are going to see their first 7nm GPU. ...could be wrong of course, Vega would probably quite awesome at 7nm, but I just don't imagine AMD sees any real value in that right now, when they have a very strange, and unanticipated chance to grab Intel by the throat with Rome and Zen 2.