Cool, since your kids have a higher chance of being hurt by an idiot driver than a drug dealer I'm sure you wont oppose my death to traffic violators plan. You don't speed do you?
Because the law there doesnt say the death penalty for ALL crimes. If you dont agree with the laws, dont go to that country, or if you live there, try and change them.
hmm if we started executing drug dealers in the USA i think we would have less drug dealers and less bad rap/thug music.....
Originally posted by: dug777
Or more simply, don't deal drugs which directly or indirectly kill a lot more people
Your both missing my point. The discussion is; SHOULD he be executed? All of you saying yes need a better answer than "because its the law". Laws should be just and any unjust law should be criticized and fought. To just sit back complacently saying "well its the law..." is ridiculous. Would you not speak out against the insanity of killing a man for breaking the speed limit, if that was the law somewhere? I would hope so.
Vigils, prayers mark Nguyen's execution
Friday Dec 2 09:22 AEDT
Nguyen Tuong Van went to the gallows this morning amid silent protests in Australia and a vigil by his twin brother at Singapore's Changi Prison.
The Australian drug trafficker was to be hanged at 6am local time (9am AEDT) after the Singapore government ruled out any last-minute reprieve.
There was no immediate official notification of the execution, but in Melbourne a church where Nguyen went to school tolled its bell 25 times - once for every year of his life.
In Singapore and in cities across Australia, there were protest vigils to mark the first execution of an Australian since Michael McAuliffe in Malaysia in 1993.
In Singapore, 45 minutes before his execution, Nguyen's brother Khoa arrived alone in a taxi in the pre-dawn gloom to be close to where his twin was to die.
In another taxi behind him, close friends of the Melbourne man, Kelly Ng and Bronwyn Lew, arrived with his lawyer Julian McMahon.
Together they walked into the prison's visitor centre, where they were to wait for the execution to be carried out.
"They want to be as close to Van at this time as possible," said McMahon.
Nguyen's mother Kim Nguyen would, at the time of execution, be praying at a Singapore chapel with well-wishers, he said.
Kim Nguyen and Khoa were on Thursday allowed limited contact with Nguyen during their last visit, after officials ruled out a final embrace.
They were told they would be able only to hold hands with Nguyen, but it emerged Kim Nguyen was also able to touch her son's face and hair.
"There was a grille and they were able to hold each others hands. Kim was able at least for some time to touch his face," McMahon said outside Changi Prison this morning.
"She told me she was able to talk to him and touch his hair.
"That was a great comfort to her.
"She is obviously incredibly upset, but she is more prepared than she has been at any time previously."
On Friday morning, Nguyen was to be led to the gallows at precisely 6am local time.
His lawyers said the 25-year-old would likely carry rosary beads, and walk without shackles from his cell to stand on the trapdoor of the gallows before his hanging.
It is understood that a hearse will be sent to Changi Prison to collect his body at about 11am local time (2pm AEDT).
McMahon said prison authorities would hold a coronial inquest. A death certificate would be issued and the body would be identified by Australian High Commission staff.
"The body will taken and prepared for burial in Australia," said McMahon.
As the time for execution came and went, there were emotional scenes outside the prison.
A small group of Singapore activists gathered, holding photos of Nguyen and chanting Indian incantations.
Human rights lawyer M. Ravi said: "What do we get out of this? What do we get out of this murder?"
He was accompanied by the distraught family of Shanmugam Murugesu, the Singapore drug trafficker who was hanged last May and who had become a friend of Nguyen.
Shanmugam's mother, Letchumi, wailed: "Who is going to help me?"
Earlier, in a cafe nearby, other Singaporean opponents of the death penalty also held a protest vigil.
The newly-formed Singapore Anti-Death Penalty Committee said in a statement they "utterly deplore and condemn" the hanging of Nguyen, as an "inhumane and barbaric punishment disproportionate to his crime".
Members of the group, including artists and professionals, gathered at a 24-hour sidewalk cafe near Changi Prison, lighting a candle atop an outdoor table on which pictures of Nguyen and messages of sympathy were displayed.
Candles were also left at the gates of the prison, where foreign and local journalists camped out next to a television transmission dish.
The vigil was held after Singaporean Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong said there would be no pardon for Nguyen, caught three years ago at Changi Airport carrying nearly 400 grams of heroin while in transit from Cambodia to Australia.
Candelight and prayer vigils were also held in major Australian cities to mark Nguyen's death and to protest against the death penalty.
In Melbourne, the bells of St Ignatius Catholic Church, Richmond - where Nguyen went to school as a child - rang 25 times to mark every year of his life.
Hundreds of supporters gathered at the church, including former Iraqi hostage Douglas Wood, who twice entered the church before driving away.
Also in Melbourne, more than a hundred lawyers gathered on the steps of Melbourne's County Court to observe a minute's silence.
Supporters of Nguyen gathered outside Singapore High Commission in Canberra, carrying banners reading "Singapore, how could you?", "Thou shalt not kill", and "The bell tolls and we are all diminished".
In Sydney, a vigil was under way in Sydney's Martin Place.
Nguyen's body will be returned to Melbourne at the weekend ahead of his funeral, expected next week.
Text
©AAP 2005
Friday Dec 2 09:22 AEDT
Nguyen Tuong Van went to the gallows this morning amid silent protests in Australia and a vigil by his twin brother at Singapore's Changi Prison.
The Australian drug trafficker was to be hanged at 6am local time (9am AEDT) after the Singapore government ruled out any last-minute reprieve.
There was no immediate official notification of the execution, but in Melbourne a church where Nguyen went to school tolled its bell 25 times - once for every year of his life.
In Singapore and in cities across Australia, there were protest vigils to mark the first execution of an Australian since Michael McAuliffe in Malaysia in 1993.
In Singapore, 45 minutes before his execution, Nguyen's brother Khoa arrived alone in a taxi in the pre-dawn gloom to be close to where his twin was to die.
In another taxi behind him, close friends of the Melbourne man, Kelly Ng and Bronwyn Lew, arrived with his lawyer Julian McMahon.
Together they walked into the prison's visitor centre, where they were to wait for the execution to be carried out.
"They want to be as close to Van at this time as possible," said McMahon.
Nguyen's mother Kim Nguyen would, at the time of execution, be praying at a Singapore chapel with well-wishers, he said.
Kim Nguyen and Khoa were on Thursday allowed limited contact with Nguyen during their last visit, after officials ruled out a final embrace.
They were told they would be able only to hold hands with Nguyen, but it emerged Kim Nguyen was also able to touch her son's face and hair.
"There was a grille and they were able to hold each others hands. Kim was able at least for some time to touch his face," McMahon said outside Changi Prison this morning.
"She told me she was able to talk to him and touch his hair.
"That was a great comfort to her.
"She is obviously incredibly upset, but she is more prepared than she has been at any time previously."
On Friday morning, Nguyen was to be led to the gallows at precisely 6am local time.
His lawyers said the 25-year-old would likely carry rosary beads, and walk without shackles from his cell to stand on the trapdoor of the gallows before his hanging.
It is understood that a hearse will be sent to Changi Prison to collect his body at about 11am local time (2pm AEDT).
McMahon said prison authorities would hold a coronial inquest. A death certificate would be issued and the body would be identified by Australian High Commission staff.
"The body will taken and prepared for burial in Australia," said McMahon.
As the time for execution came and went, there were emotional scenes outside the prison.
A small group of Singapore activists gathered, holding photos of Nguyen and chanting Indian incantations.
Human rights lawyer M. Ravi said: "What do we get out of this? What do we get out of this murder?"
He was accompanied by the distraught family of Shanmugam Murugesu, the Singapore drug trafficker who was hanged last May and who had become a friend of Nguyen.
Shanmugam's mother, Letchumi, wailed: "Who is going to help me?"
Earlier, in a cafe nearby, other Singaporean opponents of the death penalty also held a protest vigil.
The newly-formed Singapore Anti-Death Penalty Committee said in a statement they "utterly deplore and condemn" the hanging of Nguyen, as an "inhumane and barbaric punishment disproportionate to his crime".
Members of the group, including artists and professionals, gathered at a 24-hour sidewalk cafe near Changi Prison, lighting a candle atop an outdoor table on which pictures of Nguyen and messages of sympathy were displayed.
Candles were also left at the gates of the prison, where foreign and local journalists camped out next to a television transmission dish.
The vigil was held after Singaporean Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong said there would be no pardon for Nguyen, caught three years ago at Changi Airport carrying nearly 400 grams of heroin while in transit from Cambodia to Australia.
Candelight and prayer vigils were also held in major Australian cities to mark Nguyen's death and to protest against the death penalty.
In Melbourne, the bells of St Ignatius Catholic Church, Richmond - where Nguyen went to school as a child - rang 25 times to mark every year of his life.
Hundreds of supporters gathered at the church, including former Iraqi hostage Douglas Wood, who twice entered the church before driving away.
Also in Melbourne, more than a hundred lawyers gathered on the steps of Melbourne's County Court to observe a minute's silence.
Supporters of Nguyen gathered outside Singapore High Commission in Canberra, carrying banners reading "Singapore, how could you?", "Thou shalt not kill", and "The bell tolls and we are all diminished".
In Sydney, a vigil was under way in Sydney's Martin Place.
Nguyen's body will be returned to Melbourne at the weekend ahead of his funeral, expected next week.
Text
©AAP 2005
There's little in the way of punishment that deters drug usage. With drug usage comes drug smuggling and selling, and no matter what the penalty it will exist. Are there really any countries that are a role model for preventing the entry of drugs and usage? I wouldn't say Singapore is, unless you want that kind of Government breathing down your neck on every issue.
So what is it like being a knuckle-dragging barbarian? I bet you think that something like this actually prevents crime, when it just shifts it to others that are harder to reach. If Singapore has this big of a drug problem, and they have tight security at a airport, then that means drugs are getting in somewhere else. Considering a high level military officer was arrested for smuggling a while ago, thats probably where to look.
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I don't live in Singapore nor am I from Australia so I don't feel it is my place to comment on the laws of Singapore as it relates to native Australians who commit crimes in Singapore.
In other words, I don't give a rat's ass.
In other words, I don't give a rat's ass.
How narrow minded of you. The punishment should fit the crime, and there are some crimes other than homicide that deserve the death penalty. Now, whether or not I agree with Singapore's killing of drug traffickers is a different topic. Although I do think its a little excessive, it sure does get the point across, doesn't it? Remember, punishments are not only supposed to punish but also to deter future crime. I think Singapore has a much better handle on the deter part of punishment than we have here in the US.
No doubt they pretty much deter everything there. People couldn't even protest this hanging, because protests involving more than a few people are illegal there. Police state FTW!
Yea that place sucks. You get lashes for chewing gum.
When I was there I felt like beating up the policemen. It wouldn't be hard too, they were all like 5' 4'' anyways.
Its really sad that most of you that believe this guy should be put to death are from the US. Supposedly the land of the free. Its obvious you know nothing about herion or probably any other drug for that matter. You just blindly follow what people have told you. I will probably lose all credibilty by saying this. I am a herion addict. I pay for my drug habit by working. Its hard when the price of it is so inflated from it being illegal. I can't blame anyone but myself for being addicted. The people bringing drugs in are just going after the american dream like people who sell cigarettes or alcohol. Just knowing people actually think like you guys makes me want to steal to support my habit.
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