Should gays be a protected class?

daveshel

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Whether you want to call it a movement or a trend (or an agenda for that matter), American courts are beginning to recognize gays as a legally protected class.

"The legal definition of specified groups of people who suffered widespread discrimination in the past and who are given special protection by the judicial system."

This question is being dealt with more in the courts than by legislatures because there is a lack of unity among various jurisdictions as to what constitutes a protected class. There is a good deal of support for this position on the basis of the inclusion of "sexual orientation" on the list of those protected by various anti-discrimination laws, including the Equal Rights Amendment, which, of course, never became law.

On the other hand, the other protected classes are arguably limited to members who became members by means not of their own choosing. There is a good argument that religion is much more a matter of choice than sexual orientation, especially in the case of one protected as a member of a religion that they adopted later in life.

I'd rather not include a poll, because I'm more interested in analysis than demographics. (I'm also not interested in google results, slogans, and conclusions not supported by analysis.) I personally am kind of on the fence on this, balancing my long-held beliefs in personal freedoms against my feeling that homosexuality is unnatural. So here's a rare chance to engage in a discussion that could actually influence somebody's opinion!
 

aidanjm

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But what do you mean, gays should be a legally protected class? Any anti-discrimination laws based on sexuality would apply to all people, regardless of sexual orientation. (i.e., it would be illegal to discriminate against a job applicant for the sole reason they are heterosexual.)

edit: I don't have a problem with private individuals, organisations, businesses, churches being legally able to discriminate against people on grounds of sexual orientation (for example, firing someone because they are gay or lesbian). The one exception I would make would be hospitals, emergency services, etc. I don't think a hospital should have the right to turn patients away because they are homosexual.

I do think the government should be required to treat all people equally, tho, so I do support anti-discrimination laws taking into account sexual orientation for government departments and organisations.

 

Steeplerot

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Why do you think it is unnatural?
Quite common in the animal world.
Actually considering yourself completely straight is pretty unnatural in the animal world.
 

slurmsmackenzie

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Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Why do you think it is unnatural?
Quite common in the animal world.
Actually considering yourself completely straight is pretty unnatural in the animal world.


there is a difference between sexual display as an aversion to aggression as opposed to the co dependent human emotionally bonding relationship.

to compare "gay" animals to "gay" people would seem offensive to me.... your take, aidan?
 

raildogg

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Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Why do you think it is unnatural?
Quite common in the animal world.
Actually considering yourself completely straight is pretty unnatural in the animal world.

Can I suggest that you test out this behavior for us and let us know how it feels? After all, experimenting and trying different stuff is awesome. :D

Completely straight? Like only being attacted to the opposite sex? Naww, that just goes against everything normal and is totally disgusting.
 

rickn

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Man isn't an animal.

yea right, this coming from the man who has Bambi's head mounted on his wall, and enjoyed gnawing the meat off her frazzled bones.

as to the original question, no, they shouldn't. How bout we add a constitutional amendment telling people to mind there own fvcking business
 

aidanjm

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Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Why do you think it is unnatural?
Quite common in the animal world.
Actually considering yourself completely straight is pretty unnatural in the animal world.

Can I suggest that you test out this behavior for us and let us know how it feels? After all, experimenting and trying different stuff is awesome. :D

Completely straight? Like only being attacted to the opposite sex? Naww, that just goes against everything normal and is totally disgusting.

Well, his girlfriend might not be too happy if he started "experimenting" with other people.. :p

 

slurmsmackenzie

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Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Why do you think it is unnatural?
Quite common in the animal world.
Actually considering yourself completely straight is pretty unnatural in the animal world.

Can I suggest that you test out this behavior for us and let us know how it feels? After all, experimenting and trying different stuff is awesome. :D

Completely straight? Like only being attacted to the opposite sex? Naww, that just goes against everything normal and is totally disgusting.

Well, his girlfriend might not be too happy if he started "experimenting" with other people.. :p


c'mon, aidan.... i expect a lil more from you. i always enjoyed our back and forths.... very productive.
 

daveshel

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Originally posted by: aidanjm
what do you mean, gays should be a legally protected class? Any anti-discrimination laws based on sexuality would apply to all people, regardless of sexual orientation. (i.e., it would be illegal to discriminate against a job applicant for the sole reason they are heterosexual.)

While there are some employment and antidiscrimination laws, I think you would agree that sexual orientation does not garner the same broad scope of legal protections as would race or ethnicity.
 

aidanjm

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Originally posted by: slurmsmackenzie
to compare "gay" animals to "gay" people would seem offensive to me.... your take, aidan?

the comparison was made to point out that homosexuality is widespread in the animal kingdom, and therefore can't accurately be described as "unnatural"

 

slurmsmackenzie

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Man isn't an animal.

Only according to the Religious. Can't have none of that Monkey to man stuff right?

awww hell.... this thread had potential <sigh> if you can't beat 'em....

hey DMC,

monkey to man stuff??? pretty kinky, but sounds like a regular friday night for you.

 

slurmsmackenzie

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Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: slurmsmackenzie
to compare "gay" animals to "gay" people would seem offensive to me.... your take, aidan?

the comparison was made to point out that homosexuality is widespread in the animal kingdom, and therefore can't accurately be described as "unnatural"

yeah... but he's not trying to marry his gay poodles... so for the sake of HUMAN rights, i think arguments involving animals is irrelevant

 

aidanjm

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Originally posted by: slurmsmackenzie
c'mon, aidan.... i expect a lil more from you. i always enjoyed our back and forths.... very productive.

Unfortunately, I can't continue posting because I have to leave for work right now. So sad. :( :p


 

slurmsmackenzie

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lol.... i'm in the same boat... going to sleep, though

we'll always have the gay gene, aidan... :music: memories... like the corner of my mind :music:
 

shrumpage

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It is hard to protect a class when the only way to define that class is by that person's own admission.
 

daveshel

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Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Why do you think it is unnatural?
Quite common in the animal world.
Actually considering yourself completely straight is pretty unnatural in the animal world.

That's a tough one. Maybe unnatural isn't the best word, but I can't think of a better word right now. While it isn't unheard of in the animal world, I don't think it is as widespread as in our species, and you'd have to spin it out a bit more to convince me that the occurance of this behavior in other species justifies my support for legal protections.
 

Steeplerot

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Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Why do you think it is unnatural?
Quite common in the animal world.
Actually considering yourself completely straight is pretty unnatural in the animal world.

Can I suggest that you test out this behavior for us and let us know how it feels? After all, experimenting and trying different stuff is awesome. :D

Completely straight? Like only being attacted to the opposite sex? Naww, that just goes against everything normal and is totally disgusting.


Yes but you learned that,
Ever seen what goriallas do in their close-knit societies?
They will poke or lick anything warm, male or female, related or not.
Most if not all teenagers have homo-erotic fantasies at some point during puberty, if they act on them is a individual's choice.
IMO we are all bi to some degree and what we act on has a lot to do with what we were told as children.


Originally posted by: aidanjm


Well, his girlfriend might not be too happy if he started "experimenting" with other people.. :p

And no, I am not inclined toward men in any way but I am sure my woman would not mind at all, as long as she got in the action and vice-versa. Hey it's only human ;)
*cues in the discovery channel humping song*
 

Steeplerot

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Originally posted by: daveshel
Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Why do you think it is unnatural?
Quite common in the animal world.
Actually considering yourself completely straight is pretty unnatural in the animal world.

That's a tough one. Maybe unnatural isn't the best word, but I can't think of a better word right now. While it isn't unheard of in the animal world, I don't think it is as widespread as in our species, and you'd have to spin it out a bit more to convince me that the occurance of this behavior in other species justifies my support for legal protections.




Homosexual Sheep
Article by Jack Anderson (Washington)

Since 1988, the Department of Agriculture has been doing similar studies in Idaho on hormonal and genetic differences in rams. The reason for its importance is not only to find human applications, but no sheepherder wants to pay $4000 for a breeding ram that isn't interested in ewes. In an extensive study they found the "Dud Stud Phenomenon" in some and other rams were judged to be homosexual. The study showed that about 8.5% of rams studied were homosexual - close to the estimate of 7-10% human homosexuals in the U.S.



If you REALLY want to get into gorillas social habits I will leave this to you.
But trust me it's wackier then ANY pr0n out there M on M F on F mothers daughters sons -all of that. :shocked: Scarily enough they use plants as medicine, can communicate, use tools, have social hiearchys etc etc in other words damn close to us...just noone taught them GUILT and shame for what comes natural.
2 guys in love and walking holding hands or eve nsome crazy pr0n is PALE compared to our closest relatives in the animal world.
 

Steeplerot

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Man isn't an animal.



This is dedicated to you my fine repressed fundamentalist friend....you need it....




The Bloodhound Gang - The Bad Touch




Sweat baby sweat baby sex
is a Texas drought
Me and you do the kind of stuff
that only Prince would sing about
So put your hands down my pants
and I'll bet you'll feel nuts
Yes I'm Siskel yes I'm Ebert
and you're getting two thumbs up
You've had enough of two-hand
touch you want it rough you're out of bounds
I want you smothered want you
covered like my Waffle House hashbrowns
Cum quicker than FedEx never reach an
apex like Coca-Cola stock you are inclined
To make me rise an hour early
just like Daylight Savings Time

(do it now)

"You and me baby ain't nothin' but mammals so lets do it like they do it on the
Discovery Channel"

(do it again now)

"You and me baby ain't nothin' but mammals so lets do it like they do it on the Discovery Channel" (Get horny now)


Love the kind you clean
up with a mop and bucket
Like the lost catacombs of
Egypt only God knows where we stuck it
Hieroglyphics? Let me be Pacific
I wanna be down in your South Seas
But I got this notion that the motion
of your ocean means "Small Craft Advisory"
So if I capsize on your thighs high
tide B-5 you sunk my battleship
Please turn me on I'm Mister
Coffee with an automatic drip
So show me yours I'll show you
mine "Tool Time" you'll Lovett just like Lyle
And then we'll do it doggy style
so we can both watch "X-Files"

(do it now)

"You and me baby ain't nothin' but mammals so lets do it like they do it on the
Discovery Channel"


 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Man isn't an animal.
AH!!! Final proof by his own admission...

Rip -- If you're living, and you're not an animal, you must be a vegetable. :laugh: