PrinceofWands
Lifer
- May 16, 2000
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Originally posted by: Mill
POW - Let's lay out a few facts real quick. In this country you do NOT have the permission or right to be the final adjudicator or executioner. I see that you are myopic about this enough to start talking about Jury Nullification happening in a murder case. WRONG. So incredibly rare it isn't worth mentioning. This isn't some life or death situation you would be faced with. If you go and murder someone in cold-blood when your life is NOT endangered( don't try some semantical argument about the drunk having already endangered it) in that current time then you are a murderer. Your myopia doesn't extend to just your ignorance of the laws, our justice system, and your supreme arrogance, but it also extends to your child. How would your child be better off with you in jail? How is martyring yourself a prudent or responsible thing to do? Perhaps you are being hyperbolic, and I sincerely hope so, but so far you are sticking to your story.
You'd kill someone in cold-blood, screw your daughter over, and be the arbitrator of someone's life for what reason? So youcan feel like justice has been done? Have you ever drove while tired or preoccupied? You probably put people's lives at risk then. Fatigue related accidents are incredibly hard to estimate or even give a casually factual base guess. There's no odor and no way to prove it in most cases. That doesn't mean it isn't just as deadly. You seem to have this idea that your morality and ideas are superior to our culture and our system. Why are you living here if you think you are superior. I'm not going to get into a debate about the true meaning of "justice" but gunning someone down for driving intoxicated doesn't strike me as justice. Our system was setup to avoid such emotional, logic lacking moments of stupidity and ignorance. Obviously you feel you are better suited to dole out justice, but fortunately our Founding Fathers and our current laws disagree. Laws are there to balance vigilantism, justice, and rationality. While you might see gunning someone down as justice, a vast majority of society would disagree. This isn't a killing in which someone was breaking in your house and trying to stab you. Yes, they might have been breaking the law, but that doesn't give you the right to do the same.
Surf on over to Nizkor.org and figure out which fallacy that is. Your whole argument is based purely on fallacies and the idea that you are supreme to your fellow man. You are not supreme, and you are a totally myopic loser if you'd go to jail just to try to be a bad-ass. I'd like to see an explanation for why you'd so greatly hurt you daughter just to arbitrate justice. I have an idea that you didn't pass any of those psych tests. If anything you are a total bitch for advocating murder. If you are being hyperbolic then just say so... My own personal hyperbolic posts are frequently misinterpreted.
Obviously it wouldn't benefit a child to lose a parent in such a way...conversely, in what way does it benefit ANYONE if my child were killed in such a crash (or even severely injured) to spend the public money on excessive trials only to have the idiot released on technicality, or serve a few years at public expense and then return to public - now with greatly reduced chance of being able to integrate into society thus pushing him further towards drug/alcohol abuse? I firmly believe if you're willing to risk the lives of innocent people, it makes you a bad person and someone likely to continue to do so. In those cases, a few rounds from a sidearm cost only a few pennies compared to the hundreds of thousands to be spent on trials, appeals, housing, etc.
As for being martyred, well, I think we disagree. I believe in doing what I believe is right, NO MATTER WHAT. If I die, I die. It doesn't matter. I don't believe in EVER doing anything I don't believe in. I'll lose jobs, or life, over what most people consider insignificant details because I believe that what is right is always right and absolute and worth killing or dying for, period.
If while driving I feel tired, I pull over and sleep. I did it frequently while working at a place for a year that required a two hour commute. I'd get tired, I'd pull over and sleep. It'd waste my day, it was uncomfortable, but it was the RIGHT thing to do.
I do believe I'm superior...to anyone who intentionally risks harm to innocents. Accidents happen, I don't get bent over those. In fact, I'm a superiorly forgiving person in this regard. But drinking and driving is NOT an accident, it's premeditated. Plain and simple. I believe that any person who is NOT actively risking harm to another is BETTER than any person who is. Always. I believe performing an act which you know places others at risk, without just cause (ie to save your own life, save another life, etc) removes your own rights. I always have. When you intentionally visit harm, or risk that harm, you're making an agreement with the universe to accept whatever consequences follow from your actions. That's what I believe.
If I hadn't passed those tests a few things would have happened: I would not have gotten my security clearances or at least not had access to the areas I did in the military. I would not have received the promotions and job duties that I had in various forms of security. On the last one, I actually most likely would have lost my gun rights as well as visitation with my daughter...but she's sleeping in the other room and my CPL is safely in my wallet. I don't recall you being a psychologist, nor do I recall you administering me an MMPI or other psychological screening. The only thing I see is you being so against another person that you're willing to label them as 'insane' with no actual training, knowledge, or proof.
Hyperbolic? Perhaps slightly.
Scenerio: I'm driving alone at night down some dark back town streets and get run into by somebody. I get out to inspect the damage and somehow get the idea they're drunk. Do I whip out and kill them? Probably not. First of all they could be experiencing some other condition besides drunkeness (stroke, diabetic, etc). Secondly it's an obvious place for an accident, even if they weren't drunk. Third, it's just me and him. I've faced death so many times it really doesn't even get my heart pumping anymore. Instead I call the police, I hold him at the scene, and let them sort it out. If it turns out he was drunk, I sue him for enough money to trash out my 97 cavalier and buy a nice new hybrid.
Scenerio: I'm driving down the main highway in my town with my daughter in the back seat on an average day and suddenly a truck veers into my lane and crushes me head-on. For whatever reason I live, and climb from the car. Gazing into the back seat I see my daughters lifeless form with her head at an odd angle. I stumble to check on the other driver and find the cab of the truck littered with coors bottles. The driver, who appears uninjured, is someone I recognize as a year earlier having been fired from a local BK for drinking on the job and being 3 times over the legal limit when arriving at work. I happen to know his license is even suspended for previous DUI (true story). He's obviously drunk, and I can smell beer on his breath as he mutters 'wha happen'. At that point I pull out my glock and empty it into him. Period.
So would I instantly kill everyone? No. But I would honestly charge EVERY DUI as at least attempted negligent homicide, if not attempted premeditated murder. I REALLY BELIEVE that that's what DUI is, carefully planned murder.
Is that a little bit more understandable for you?
