Should convicted locked up terrorists have the right to vote?

[SlowSpyder]

Will you feel the same way as Donny screams into his pillow at Supermax when Robert Hanssen makes him his bitch?

Trump isn't going anywhere. Heck, he could be on our currency one day at the rate he's going. America is prospering and no evidence of collusion.

 

[dank69]

Yes, that would be a case where I could see a valid reason for removing the right to vote. The punishment would at least be relevant to the crime in that case.

Here is the thing, though. Removing the right to vote does not prevent further election fraud attempts.

 

[mect]

Here is the thing, though. Removing the right to vote does not prevent further election fraud attempts.

I agree. It also opens up other opportunities for abuse. At least there is a rational link which I think at least brings it to the level of meriting a conversation.

 

[Viper1j]

Trump isn't going anywhere. Heck, he could be on our currency one day at the rate he's going. America is prospering and no evidence of collusion.

'Fraid not Sparky.. No evidence of CONSPIRACY. Lots of collusion.. Kind of like when you stole your dad's car at 13. Still wrong and stupid, but not criminal. As for America "prospering", you don't get a free pass on rape, because you helped an old lady across the street. A good deed does not cancel out the evil shit you do, and it never will.

The wolves are at his door, and the ONLY thing keeping them at bay, is his job description. As soon as he loses that, they're going to feed like a kid at a Chuck E. Cheese pizza party.

 

[Moonbeam]

The bulk of the terrorism in America is due to the fact that democracy is dead, that the economically disadvantaged have been politically abandoned, and turn to violence to express their frustration. Clearly the way to fix this problem is for prisons to educate terrorists that the 1% have brainwashed then and stolen their futures by having them vote against their own interests and then give them the right to cast a million votes when their reeducation is complete.

 

[ImpulsE69]

Like people who smoke pot?

We already covered this. Get over it. Quit smoking weed until it's legal in your state. Problem solved. We don't care about your drug problems.

 

[dank69]

We already covered this. Get over it. Quit smoking weed until it's legal in your state. Problem solved. We don't care about your drug problems.

It is a concrete example of the majority making a behavior illegal in order to incarcerate minorities and take away their right to vote. You have yet to provide a concrete example of harm that can arise from allowing felons to vote.

 

[Jaskalas]

Convicted terrorists... not enough of them to give a !@#$ about.

Why not let Americans vote, period?

 

[ImpulsE69]

It is a concrete example of the majority making a behavior illegal in order to incarcerate minorities and take away their right to vote. You have yet to provide a concrete example of harm that can arise from allowing felons to vote.

I'm going to imagine there is some law out there you stand by 110% that I am 'whatever' about. That is personal opinion plain and simple. Drugs were illegal long before it was a 'minority' thing. That's the overall point. A law is a law, and it is the law, until the masses decide it isn't a law. We don't 'agree' with all of them all the time, but we are expected to follow them.

You've yet to provide a concrete example of harm that has arisen from them NOT being able to vote. What DOES keep coming up is all these poor weed smokers being locked up. That is on it's way to changing, so THEN what are you going to say?

I find the possibility of manipulating people in prison way more plausible than people not in prison.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Drugs were illegal long before it was a 'minority' thing.

You sure about that?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrison_Narcotics_Tax_Act

At the beginning of the 20th century, cocaine began to be linked to crime. In 1900, the Journal of the American Medical Association published an editorial stating, "Negroes in the South are reported as being addicted to a new form of vice – that of 'cocaine sniffing' or the 'coke habit.'" Some newspapers later claimed cocaine use caused blacks to rape white women and was improving their pistol marksmanship.[8] Chinese immigrants were blamed for importing the opium-smoking habit to the U.S. The 1903 blue-ribbon citizens' panel, the Committee on the Acquirement of the Drug Habit, concluded, "If the Chinaman cannot get along without his dope we can get along without him."

Theodore Roosevelt appointed Dr. Hamilton Wright as the first Opium Commissioner of the United States in 1908. In 1909, Wright attended the International Opium Commission in Shanghai as the American delegate. He was accompanied by Charles Henry Brent, the Episcopal Bishop. On March 12, 1911, Dr. Wright was quoted as follows in an article in The New York Times: "Of all the nations of the world, the United States consumes most habit-forming drugs per capita. Opium, the most pernicious drug known to humanity, is surrounded, in this country, with far fewer safeguards than any other nation in Europe fences it with."[9] Wright further claimed that "it has been authoritatively stated that cocaine is often the direct incentive to the crime of rape by the negroes of the South and other sections of the country," though he failed to mention specifically which authorities had stated that, and did not provide any evidence for his claim.[10] Wright also stated that "one of the most unfortunate phases of smoking opium in this country is the large number of women who have become involved and were living as common-law wives or cohabitating with Chinese in the Chinatowns of our various cities".

 

[desy]

The govt is winning with massive debt in supposedly a great economy? Mortgaging the future isn't prospering

 

[dank69]

I'm going to imagine there is some law out there you stand by 110% that I am 'whatever' about. That is personal opinion plain and simple. Drugs were illegal long before it was a 'minority' thing. That's the overall point. A law is a law, and it is the law, until the masses decide it isn't a law. We don't 'agree' with all of them all the time, but we are expected to follow them.

You've yet to provide a concrete example of harm that has arisen from them NOT being able to vote. What DOES keep coming up is all these poor weed smokers being locked up. That is on it's way to changing, so THEN what are you going to say?

I find the possibility of manipulating people in prison way more plausible than people not in prison.

How about you learn your history before you start lecturing people? Then you can learn about why you have to demonstrate the necessity of removing a right instead of forcing people to defend why they should keep their rights. That isn't how the law works. Otherwise, I'm going to ask you why we should not remove your right to vote. After all, you've said some extremely stupid things in this thread and there are plenty of people who think it would be a great idea to have a mandatory test before allowing anyone to vote. Maybe they make part of that test a history test in which case you fail miserably. Luckily for you I'll be right there fighting to protect your right to vote anyway.

 

[dank69]

The govt is winning with massive debt in supposedly a great economy? Mortgaging the future isn't prospering

We can put Trump's face on the trillion dollar bill when it is roughly equivalent to the value of two scoops of ice cream.

 

[ImpulsE69]

How about you learn your history before you start lecturing people? Then you can learn about why you have to demonstrate the necessity of removing a right instead of forcing people to defend why they should keep their rights. That isn't how the law works. Otherwise, I'm going to ask you why we should not remove your right to vote. After all, you've said some extremely stupid things in this thread and there are plenty of people who think it would be a great idea to have a mandatory test before allowing anyone to vote. Maybe they make part of that test a history test in which case you fail miserably. Luckily for you I'll be right there fighting to protect your right to vote anyway.

Sorry, never done drugs, so haven't really worried about it. I have zero sympathy for those that do. Personal accountability. Everyone trying to skirt it. When I see that as the excuse for people it riles me. I must have been right on the money though for being so 'stupid'. All that history, and yet, people never learn from it.

 

[dank69]

Sorry, never done drugs, so haven't really worried about it. I have zero sympathy for those that do. Personal accountability. Everyone trying to skirt it. When I see that as the excuse for people it riles me. I must have been right on the money though for being so 'stupid'. All that history, and yet, people never learn from it.

I think it really shows intelligence to look down on people who do something you have absolutely no experience with.

 

[ImpulsE69]

I think it really shows intelligence to look down on people who do something you have absolutely no experience with.

When did you last rape someone? Bombed a building lately?....I mean come on. Everyone judges. Even you.

 

[SlowSpyder]

We can put Trump's face on the trillion dollar bill when it is roughly equivalent to the value of two scoops of ice cream.

I love the FUD you guys spread. The Trump deficit in 2018 is about the same as the average of the deficit under Obama's years. Furthermore, it is barely larger than in 2017, a budget year that Trump inherited:

 

[fskimospy]

Trump isn't going anywhere. Heck, he could be on our currency one day at the rate he's going. America is prospering and no evidence of collusion.

This is some next level delusion.

 

[SlowSpyder]

So... who are the Nazi sympathizers again, the left or the right?

Bernie Sanders wants to restore mass-murder Dylann Roof's voting rights:

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...acist-mass-murder-dylann-roofs-voting-rights/

 

[fskimospy]

I love the FUD you guys spread. The Trump deficit in 2018 is about the same as the average of the deficit under Obama's years. Furthermore, it is barely larger than in 2017, a budget year that Trump inherited:

See it's things like this that give you a reputation for dishonesty. You know as well as anyone that comparing deficits during the greatest economic crisis since the Great Depression and deficits during what you claim is an economy so great we're going to put Trump on money is bullshit.

You're SUPPOSED to run deficits during bad economic times. You're supposed to reduce them during good economic times. Instead, Trump decided to blow up the deficit with tax cuts for the ultra rich and more wasteful military spending. What an idiot.

 

[fskimospy]

So... who are the Nazi sympathizers again, the left or the right?

Bernie Sanders wants to restore mass-murder Dylann Roof's voting rights:

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...acist-mass-murder-dylann-roofs-voting-rights/

This is a monumentally stupid article even by Breitbart standards. What's next? 'The ACLU defends the free speech rights of NAZIS. THEY MUST BE NAZIS TOO.'

Now we know why you're so brainwashed though, you read trash like that. I mean even a middle schooler would be able to recognize that's propaganda, how come you can't?

 

[SlowSpyder]

See it's things like this that give you a reputation for dishonesty. You know as well as anyone that comparing deficits during the greatest economic crisis since the Great Depression and deficits during what you claim is an economy so great we're going to put Trump on money is bullshit.

You're SUPPOSED to run deficits during bad economic times. You're supposed to reduce them during good economic times. Instead, Trump decided to blow up the deficit with tax cuts for the ultra rich and more wasteful military spending. What an idiot.

The good times are continuing as a direct result of the Trump tax cuts, which as we see from the MSNBC sourced graph above, have only caused deficits in line with the Obama years.

I mean, I'm told here the economy is good because of Obama, what we see is just a continuation of the good times that started under his second term. He had run large deficits despite the economy doing well in term two. Trump is simply continuing the same and the deficit is not outrageous compared to the second term deficits under Obama.

You can't have it both ways.

 

[SlowSpyder]

This is a monumentally stupid article even by Breitbart standards. What's next? 'The ACLU defends the free speech rights of NAZIS. THEY MUST BE NAZIS TOO.'

Now we know why you're so brainwashed though, you read trash like that. I mean even a middle schooler would be able to recognize that's propaganda, how come you can't?

It isn't me or the GOP fighting for convicted mass murder Nazis to have their voting rights from prison. Arguing for such would be akin to arguing for his freedom to be reinstated because that is a basic right. Arguing for either is indeed sympathizing with the Nazi in this case.

 

[fskimospy]

It isn't me or the GOP fighting for convicted mass murder Nazis to have their voting rights from prison. Arguing for such would be akin to arguing for his freedom to be reinstated because that is a basic right. Arguing for either is indeed sympathizing with the Nazi in this case.

Again, it is simply unbelievable that someone would be stupid enough to regurgitate that Breitbart article. By this logic Dylan Roof’s lawyer was a Nazi sympathizer too because he was trying to provide a criminal defense to a Nazi!

Thank you again for providing yet another reason for conservatives to #walkaway. You make Trump supporters look worse than I ever could.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Again, it is simply unbelievable that someone would be stupid enough to regurgitate that Breitbart article.

Cheerleading.

By this logic Dylan Roof’s lawyer was a Nazi sympathizer too because he was trying to provide a criminal defense to a Nazi!

No, one is entitled to a defense. You are not entitled to vote, your freedom to travel, your 2A rights, your 21A rights, etc. The list goes on, you have yet to explain why voting is some magical right that under no circumstances can be taken away when we both gladly accept that just about all others can be, depending on the nature of the law one breaks.

Thank you again for providing yet another reason for conservatives to #walkaway. You make Trump supporters look worse than I ever could.

Cheerleading.