Should Chiropractic "medicine" be covered by a universal healthcare?

[GodlessAstronomer]

our soldiers definitely don't get the care they deserve and tricare is awful.

http://blogs.forbes.com/sciencebiz/...acupuncture-pseudoscience-for-wounded-troops/

 

[eits]

No it hasn't, it has been proven to be better than placebo. Marginally.

http://images.vortala.com/chiroprac...s/SiteGraphics/ChiropracticServicesReport.pdf

http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/326/7395/911#SEC4

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21334541

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15319761


edit: by the way, i'm not trying to say or imply that there's been enough research in the chiropractic field. also, one must understand that it's difficult to research chiropractic care because not every chiropractor adjusts the same and reproducibility among practitioners is inconsistent. there are hurdles involved when researching chiropractic care.

 

[Adul]

Exactly. Some of chiropractic medicine is good. That should be covered. Most of it is unsubstaniated snake-oil. That shouldn't be covered.

That should apply to the medical profession in general.

 

[kami333]

http://images.vortala.com/chiroprac...s/SiteGraphics/ChiropracticServicesReport.pdf

http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/326/7395/911#SEC4

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21334541

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15319761


edit: by the way, i'm not trying to say or imply that there's been enough research in the chiropractic field. also, one must understand that it's difficult to research chiropractic care because not every chiropractor adjusts the same and reproducibility among practitioners is inconsistent. there are hurdles involved when researching chiropractic care.

That last paper you cited, the Hoiriis one, pretty much summarized everything that is wrong with chiropractic research.

They call the study double-blinded, yet it isn't. It's hard to call it even single blinded.



The part that might be called blinded, GIS assessment by a independent blinded researcher is completely useless since it has not been validated for validity or reproducibility.

I'm surprised it got through reviewers.

I know that it's hard to conduct a properly controlled blinded study that will pass IRB review. However, trying to pass on such a shoddy study as anything other than a shoddy study just makes it look like there's something to hide. They should have broken each of the groups out further into those who thought they got manipulation vs sham but the fact that they didn't makes me question what that data looked like. It's hard to take chiropractors seriously when their research methods on are the level of homeopaths/naturopaths/etc.

 

[nick1985]

That last paper you cited, the Hoiriis one, pretty much summarized everything that it wrong with chiropractic research.

They call the study double-blinded, yet it isn't. It's hard to call it even single blinded.

I'm surprised it got through reviewers.

I've worked in clinical research, I know that it's hard to conduct a properly controlled blinded study that will pass IRB review. However, trying to pass on such a shoddy study as anything other than a shoddy study just makes it look worse. They should have broken each of the groups out further into those who thought they got manipulation vs sham but the fact that they didn't makes me question what that data looked like.

Its snake oil, everyone should know that.

I was walking downtown Chicago and I passed a "Family Health" chiro snake-oil dive, and on the glass it claimed to cure headaches.

🙄

 

[Redfraggle]

If the government were to offer universal health care, should it include chiropractic "medicine" in the coverage?

Personally I think it shouldn't, if it includes alternative "medicines" like chiropractic care, then it is incline to include things like homeopathy. If people want to waste money seeing a alternative "medicine" doctor they can, but not with tax payer money.

I'm a taxpayer also. You really shouldn't make yourself the spokesmen for all taxpayers on an issue, especially since millions of those tax payers see chiropractors.

What the US considers "traditional" or "conventional" medicine is not the best and or only option for many problems.

I threw my back out and was in intense pain. One visit to the chiropractor fixed it. Nothing needed but me and the chiropractor. Of course a lot of people hate them -- they can't sell all kinds of supplies and drugs to them, because they are unnecessary.

 

[Gibsons]

That last paper you cited, the Hoiriis one, pretty much summarized everything that is wrong with chiropractic research.

They call the study double-blinded, yet it isn't. It's hard to call it even single blinded.

The part that might be called blinded, GIS assessment by a independent blinded researcher is completely useless since it has not been validated for validity or reproducibility.

I'm surprised it got through reviewers.

Look at the journal title, you shouldn't be. 😛 Hoiriis herself is a reviewer of that journal.

 

[kami333]

I'm a taxpayer also. You really shouldn't make yourself the spokesmen for all taxpayers on an issue, especially since millions of those tax payers see chiropractors.

What the US considers "traditional" or "conventional" medicine is not the best and or only option for many problems.

I threw my back out and was in intense pain. One visit to the chiropractor fixed it. Nothing needed but me and the chiropractor. Of course a lot of people hate them -- they can't sell all kinds of supplies and drugs to them, because they are unnecessary.

So I suppose you are fine with taxpayer money going to chelation therapy, Hoxsey treatment, laetrile, and reiki/healing touch?

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

I'm a taxpayer also. You really shouldn't make yourself the spokesmen for all taxpayers on an issue, especially since millions of those tax payers see chiropractors.

What the US considers "traditional" or "conventional" medicine is not the best and or only option for many problems.

I threw my back out and was in intense pain. One visit to the chiropractor fixed it. Nothing needed but me and the chiropractor. Of course a lot of people hate them -- they can't sell all kinds of supplies and drugs to them, because they are unnecessary.

How is it possible to be this fucking stupid? YOU DID NOT RECEIVE CHIROPRACTIC CARE. YOU RECEIVED PHYSICAL THERAPY FROM A CHIROPRACTOR.

 

[Redfraggle]

So I suppose you are fine with taxpayer money going to chelation therapy, Hoxsey treatment, laetrile, and reiki/healing touch?

Universal coverage should cover anything that an insurance plan we have now covers.

How is it possible to be this fucking stupid? YOU DID NOT RECEIVE CHIROPRACTIC CARE. YOU RECEIVED PHYSICAL THERAPY FROM A CHIROPRACTOR.

I don't know, how is it possible you are so fucking stupid?