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Train

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Hacp said:
Self defense. Are you going to nuke the robber looking to rape your daughter? No, you disable him with the gun and let law enforcement come and retrieve him.
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The day the 2nd ammendment is re-written as the "right to self defense" instead of the "righ to bear arms" will probably be the last day of the USA
 
BudAshes

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Train said:
The day the 2nd ammendment is re-written as the "right to self defense" instead of the "righ to bear arms" will probably be the last day of the USA
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Definitely, it will prove that america has become so ignorant that we can't even spell right properly in the constitution.
 
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brblx said:
the constitution also said you have to return escaped slaves to their masters, but we overrode that because it was retarded.
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I agree that was retarded... why the hell should I return a slave that I found? As George Washington once said, "Finders keepers, losers weepers."
 
dennilfloss

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Wikipedia:

There are several versions of the text of the Second Amendment, each with slight capitalization and punctuation differences, found in the official documents surrounding the adoption of the Bill of Rights.[4] One such version was passed by the Congress, which reads:[5]

“ A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. ”

Another version is found in the copies distributed to the states, and then ratified by them, which had this capitalization and punctuation:[6]

“ A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. ”

The original hand-written copy of the Bill of Rights, approved by the House and Senate, was prepared by scribe William Lambert and resides in the National Archives.
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Doesn't bear mean carry? Can you carry a a tank?

10 to wear or have on one&#700;s person <the right to bear arms> &#8212; see carry 2
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http://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/bear&#37;5Bverb]

Is that an aircraft carrier in your pocket or are you just happy to see me? :p
 
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mugs

mugs

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brblx said:
i think everyone should have the right to own a smoothbore musket, as is promised in the constitution.

unless of course you're an idiot who believes that the second ammendment was written by psychics who knew that weaponry would advance to the point of bombs capable of vaporizing large cities. then i guess you can interpret it as meaning you can own whatever the hell you want.
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I think everyone should have the right to express their opinion by speaking to a group of people or publishing it with an 18th century printing press.

Unless of course you're an idiot who believes that the first amendment was written by psychics who knew that mass communications media like radio, television and the Internet would be invented. Then I guess you can interpret it as meaning you can say whatever the hell you want however you want.


Edit: Damn, way too late to the party.
 
SlitheryDee

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sdifox said:
Humm, the definition linked to did not mention "use". I have never ran across "bear" as synonym of "use". Please provide example.
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4. To possess and use, as power; to exercise. [1913 Webster]

Every man should bear rule in his own house
 
Zenmervolt

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brblx said:
i think everyone should have the right to own a smoothbore musket, as is promised in the constitution.

unless of course you're an idiot who believes that the second ammendment was written by psychics who knew that weaponry would advance to the point of bombs capable of vaporizing large cities. then i guess you can interpret it as meaning you can own whatever the hell you want.
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And I think that everyone should be able to run a newspaper printed with manual printing presses as is promised in the constitution.

Unless, of course, you're an idiot who believes that the First Amendment was written by psychics who knew that publishing technology would advance to the point of being able to spread information worldwide within seconds. Then I guess you can interpret it however the hell you want.

See how this line of "logic" quickly becomes patently absurd? The mechanics of the logic of the argument I have posted are identical to the logical mechanics of the argument you posted. I'm not saying that your position is necessarily wrong, but I am saying that the "logic" you've used in your attempt to defend it is unsound.

Yes, I know that I'm late to this party, but I think I've gone farther in explaining why the logic doesn't work.

The issue with your revised position of "cultural relevance" being necessary is that such a position requires the premise that rights are derived from the culture in which one lives. Cultures are, at their core, essentially arbitrary, which, by extension, requires the premise that rights are arbitrary. Any test of a right which relies upon "cultural relevancy" effectively reduces a right to the status of a privilege insofar as what is "culturally relevant" is, in practice, determined by the prevailing majority opinion and not by a thorough and rational analysis.

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This is a stupid fucking question. What good would a nuke be? What good would an armored and weapon equipped tank or aircraft be?

Fucking Americans.
 
SlitheryDee

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sdifox said:
weird, that is not in the one dennilfloss linked to.
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It's not from that one. It's from the first result that comes up when you google "bear define".

Hell, it doesn't really matter anyway. We could pick and choose different dictionaries that have the definitions we want in them, or we could try and figure out the most relevant meaning ourselves and we'd likely end up with the same thing.

I found the definition I thought was most relevant to the topic at hand in the first search result, but if I hadn't found it anywhere I still would have assumed the meaning was something along those lines. Something broader than just what you can hold in your hands seems to make more sense as a definition for "bear" in the context of the bill of rights.

It's still just interpretation though.
 
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spidey07

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Alone said:
This is a stupid fucking question. What good would a nuke be? What good would an armored and weapon equipped tank or aircraft be?

Fucking Americans.
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Come say that to my face. That you can barely see because I'm in my tank.
 
sdifox

sdifox

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SlitheryDee said:
It's not from that one. It's from the first result that comes up when you google "bear define".

Hell, it doesn't really matter anyway. We could pick and choose different dictionaries that have the definitions we want in them, or we could try and figure out the most relevant meaning ourselves and we'd likely end up with the same thing.

I found the definition I thought was most relevant to the topic at hand in the first search result, but if I hadn't found it anywhere I still would have assumed the meaning was something along those lines. Something broader than just what you can hold in your hands seems to make more sense as a definition for "bear" in the context of the bill of rights.

It's still just interpretation though.
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To clarify, my interest in this thread is purely on the use of the word bear.
Don't have an account over at OED or I would have taken that as the prime definition since it was still Queen's English when the Declaration was drafted.

wiktionary doesn't mention the "use" part either.
 
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Lithium381

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i have 6 fireamrs myself, but it feels like its getting harder and harder, i basically cannot get CCW permit, i live in cali.....wont' be able to order ammo online anymore and will be subjected to fingerprints and a "administrative fee" when i buy locally....i live in cali...
 
lord_emperor

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Don't you need those "arms" to protect yourself from a British invasion?

If that is the case the selection of weapons you're currently allowed seems woefully inadequate.

You should most definitely have SAM batteries to deal with their air force, coastal residents should have missiles capable of destroying an aircraft carrier.

Also they have tanks so some form of RPG/LAW.

And you all need ICBM / MIRV multi-megaton nukes as a deterrent.
 
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