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Shot four times with a .444, 320-pound black bear bites, claws hunter

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Originally posted by: Agnostos Insania
Originally posted by: Kalvin00
Originally posted by: Agnostos Insania
It's a shame the hunter wasn't killed.
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What the fvck is the matter with you people? Black Friday brings out the idiots, I guess..
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Killings things for entertainment is idiotic and cruel.
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..And where, in the article, does it say this hunter had no intentions of using the bear meat/hide/whatever? In fact, it looks to me like the article says he was going to 'recover it'.

Reading comprehension > your sorry ass.


Edit: And as for this...
The hunters should accept the fact that the creatures they kill for fun might inflict harm upon their attackers.
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Yes, we realize that...but why are you wishing death upon someone? That is what seems idiotic and cruel to me..
 
Originally posted by: Agnostos Insania
Originally posted by: Kalvin00
What the fvck is the matter with you people? Black Friday brings out the idiots, I guess..
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Killings things for entertainment is idiotic and cruel. The hunters should accept the fact that the creatures they kill for fun might inflict harm upon their attackers.

Originally posted by: BigJ
Save the cute cuddly bear! But it's okay to kill and deform all the other animals for the rest of products people use daily. :roll:
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No, that's not okay either.
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So in your efforts to protest the cruelties towards animals, you don't use any products that come from animals or are tested on animals, right?

Also, I'm glad you could assume from that article that he was hunting it merely for sport, and that he wasn't going to use the bear meat or the fur as a rug.

EDIT: Not to mention, since bear hunting is legal in that area, it probably acts as a population control also.
 
Originally posted by: Kalvin00
..And where, in the article, does it say this hunter had no intentions of using the bear meat/hide/whatever? In fact, it looks to me like the article says he was going to 'recover it'.
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We're not hunters anymore, we live in a civilization. Killing wild animals is not necessary.


Reading comprehension > your sorry ass.
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My my, aren't you a mature fellow.

Originally posted by: BigJ
So in your efforts to protest the cruelties towards animals, you don't use any products that come from animals or are tested on animals, right?
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If I didn't use products that were tested on animals at one point, I'd be dead like many other people that didn't get the medication they needed to survive. It's cruel, but actually benefits humanity. However, I don't think they should use intelligent creatures such as chimpanzees.

Also, I'm glad you could assume from that article that he was hunting it merely for sport, and that he wasn't going to use the bear meat or the fur as a rug.
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Yes yes, many people are dependant on the bear for survival, killing them isn't just a hobby to pass the time.

EDIT: Not to mention, since bear hunting is legal in that area, it probably acts as a population control also.
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I'll concede that it could be that. Why are the bears overpopulated in the first place?
I'll come back to this thread later, I have to update my drivers.
 
Originally posted by: Agnostos Insania

Originally posted by: BigJ
So in your efforts to protest the cruelties towards animals, you don't use any products that come from animals or are tested on animals, right?
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If I didn't use products that were tested on animals at one point, I'd be dead like many other people that didn't get the medication they needed to survive. It's cruel, but actually benefits humanity. However, I don't think they should use intelligent creatures such as chimpanzees.
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So do you, or do you not, make a conscious effort to not use products that are being tested on animals (such as some shampoos, for example, not even drugs) or from animals themselves (such as leather)?

Originally posted by: Agnostos Insania
Also, I'm glad you could assume from that article that he was hunting it merely for sport, and that he wasn't going to use the bear meat or the fur as a rug.
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Yes yes, many people are dependant on the bear for survival, killing them isn't just a hobby to pass the time.
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So then I'm assuming you don't eat any meat. Because in this day and age, you do not need meat to survive. You can be a vegan and take the necessary vitamins and minerals to maintain a healthy diet. So do you? Or is it okay to kill cows and pigs for food because they're systematically killed instead of hunted?

Originally posted by: Agnostos Insania

EDIT: Not to mention, since bear hunting is legal in that area, it probably acts as a population control also.
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I'll concede that it could be that. Why are the bears overpopulated in the first place?
I'll come back to this thread later, I have to update my drivers.
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Some reasons could be:
-the overpopulation may come from the fact that society has encroached on the forest the bears populate. As a result, there are a higher concentration of bears in a place with a lower amount of total food.
-society has killed off any natural predators that may come in contact and possibly kill off some of the bear population
-reduced numbers of other natural checks such as diseases in the area

 
Originally posted by: Agnostos Insania
Originally posted by: Kalvin00
..And where, in the article, does it say this hunter had no intentions of using the bear meat/hide/whatever? In fact, it looks to me like the article says he was going to 'recover it'.
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We're not hunters anymore, we live in a civilization. Killing wild animals is not necessary.
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Guess what happens when you outlaw hunting on a particular species? Overpopulation. Then what? Well, 2 things really..mass bear death due to no food, as well as attackings and killing of people because there are too many bears.

Why do you care what people are doing with their free time anyways, if its not interfering (sp?) with your life?
 
On a less flame filled note....

the article said he was using a .444 ... isn't that sort of on the wimpy side for bears?

According to this site Text, a .444 Marlin doesn't really compare will to a 30-06 (particularly with any distance - are their other kinds of .444s?), and I most most knowledgable people would say a 30-06 isn't really adequate for big game. I guess the fact that he shot it four times and still got mauled supports this. Maybe if he'd had a .300 win mag instead...
 
Originally posted by: Gibsons
On a less flame filled note....

the article said he was using a .444 ... isn't that sort of on the wimpy side for bears?

According to this site, Text a .444 Marlin doesn't really compare will to a 30-06 (particularly with any distance - are their other kinds of .444s?), and I most most knowledgable people would say a 30-06 isn't really adequate for big game. I guess the fact that he shot it four times and still got mauled supports this. Maybe if he'd had a .300 win mag instead...
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okay I'm retarded this morning. 🙁
 
Originally posted by: goku
Originally posted by: yellowfiero
HARRISBURG, Pa. - A black bear bit and clawed a hunter who had just shot it four times in what game authorities said appeared to be a first for the state.

Samuel H. Beauchamp, 47, said he was approaching the downed 320-pound bear in Rothrock State Forest in central Pennsylvania on Monday, the first day of bear-hunting season, when it came after him.

Beauchamp, of Newville, had just shot the bear with a .444-caliber rifle and was within 15 feet of it. He turned to run, but the bear put a claw around his hip and bit him twice, once in each thigh, before dying.

"The bear wasn't attacking 100 percent. I mean really, it was dead on its feet when it came up. If it would have been 100 percent I wouldn't have been standing there," Beauchamp said Friday.

Other hunters nearby heard a growl and came to Beauchamp's aid.

"It was shock at first. It's like he came alive, like 'boom.' I guess he growled, like the other people heard. That motivated me to turn around and start running away," he said.

Game commission bear biologist Mark Ternent said the attack was the first case known to state officials in which a bear had attacked a hunter who had just shot it and was attempting to recover it.

Beauchamp was released from the hospital after about two hours of treatment. One bite went down to the bone.

"I didn't feel any pain after it happened," he said Friday. "I'm a little sore now." http://www.katu.com/stories/81403.html
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Is it just me or does this article lack sense?!?!!?
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The only thing that's lacking are your comprehension skills.
 
He tries to kill the bear, the bear gets piss and tries to kill him back. I see nothing strange here.

BTW, people who hunt games from a distance are wussies. I just don't see hiding 100 feet away and sniping something as "sporting".
Now the old guy who killed a 600 lbs grizzly with a pocket knife and almost bleed to death himself, that was a story.
 
Originally posted by: tfinch2
Originally posted by: goku
Originally posted by: yellowfiero
HARRISBURG, Pa. - A black bear bit and clawed a hunter who had just shot it four times in what game authorities said appeared to be a first for the state.

Samuel H. Beauchamp, 47, said he was approaching the downed 320-pound bear in Rothrock State Forest in central Pennsylvania on Monday, the first day of bear-hunting season, when it came after him.

Beauchamp, of Newville, had just shot the bear with a .444-caliber rifle and was within 15 feet of it. He turned to run, but the bear put a claw around his hip and bit him twice, once in each thigh, before dying.

"The bear wasn't attacking 100 percent. I mean really, it was dead on its feet when it came up. If it would have been 100 percent I wouldn't have been standing there," Beauchamp said Friday.

Other hunters nearby heard a growl and came to Beauchamp's aid.

"It was shock at first. It's like he came alive, like 'boom.' I guess he growled, like the other people heard. That motivated me to turn around and start running away," he said.

Game commission bear biologist Mark Ternent said the attack was the first case known to state officials in which a bear had attacked a hunter who had just shot it and was attempting to recover it.

Beauchamp was released from the hospital after about two hours of treatment. One bite went down to the bone.

"I didn't feel any pain after it happened," he said Friday. "I'm a little sore now." http://www.katu.com/stories/81403.html
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Is it just me or does this article lack sense?!?!!?
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The only thing that's lacking are your comprehension skills.
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LOL
 
Originally posted by: Ready
He tries to kill the bear, the bear gets piss and tries to kill him back. I see nothing strange here.

BTW, people who hunt games from a distance are wussies. I just don't see hiding 100 feet away and sniping something as "sporting".
Now the old guy who killed a 600 lbs grizzly with a pocket knife and almost bleed to death himself, that was a story.
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BTW if anybody wants to see this, its on National Geographics today check ur TV listings. I think its call Hunters and Hunted
 
Originally posted by: Ready
He tries to kill the bear, the bear gets piss and tries to kill him back. I see nothing strange here.

BTW, people who hunt games from a distance are wussies. I just don't see hiding 100 feet away and sniping something as "sporting".
Now the old guy who killed a 600 lbs grizzly with a pocket knife and almost bleed to death himself, that was a story.
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I agree
 
Originally posted by: Xanis
He should have gotten a 50-caliber sniper rifle. Could have taken that bear down in one shot. If I'm correct, you can own a 50-caliber rifle in every state except California for big game hunting.
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Correct, 60 Minutes with Mike Wallace did a story on it.
 
If you try to kill something, that person/being has every right to fend for its life.
Certainly if you try to kill a chicken, they don't know how to fight back, but I see nothing wrong here either.

The hunter knew what he was getting into, and had the advantage.
 
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