Short Intel and AMD! ARM servers coming in!!!

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What parody? Don't they know that with Windows 8 magically running on ARM, all the code compiled for x86 will also suddenly work on their ARM CPU?

Also, it's pretty clear that once you have a 64 bit ISA, designing a high performance CPU is a walk in the park. Especially if that ISA is "RISC", since "RISC" automagically means fast.

I'm telling you guys, people want ARM on desktop. Because they're faster, more power efficient, and basically just the magic bullet CPU! I mean, those IDIOTS at Intel and AMD are going to get their butts handed to them by this chipmaker that's only ever designed low power/low performance CPU architectures. Duh! :p
 
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(obviously my post is dripping with sarcasm)

But seriously, I'm not sure why people think Intel/AMD have much to be afraid of. Is there something I'm missing?
 

Ferzerp

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Some tech journalist said it to get page hits once and people ran with it. Now it has become gospel for the iObsessed.
 

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Very low power (and also pretty low performance) servers will have a place of course. Just how big of a place in the market, well that remains to be seen. I think it will be at most a niche product, but can see why it's an option.
 

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People are ARMbarrassingly willing to believe that ARM is magical.

You can't get away from the fact that ARMs are slow. And just because one company is doing ARM servers doesn't mean that it's going to pan out. New tech companies comes and go trying new ideas. Most don't make it.
 

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HA HA what a joke. have you tried an atrix phone with the laptop dock. its like using a 20 year old intel chip. anyone who thinks arm has the power to run servers or windows 8 has no clue. arm isnt going to move up, intel is going to move down into the mobile space and take over within 3 years
 

MisterMac

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You try get ANYONE with 100 VM's to manage them without VM's and locally on a Windows Domain only.

That's not going to be pretty.
Niche market for trash webhosting, but again only for smaller providers.


If Intel was only going downwards, they'd have a plausible future, but intel is going both upwards and downwards.


If arm has performance of a nehalem Xeon in 2015, what good is that gonna do?




We already have the DELL microservers with 12 nodes of 16 GB Ram + a Phenom QuadCore. They can't win on density.


a 2u Server with 120 Quadcores, is what they're claiming.
So we need 480 ARM Cores to beat...80 x86-64 cores?

I'm failing to see how 480 ARM cores of any design is going to consume 5 watts, but heeey wth.
 

Ben90

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a 2u Server with 120 Quadcores, is what they're claiming.
So we need 480 ARM Cores to beat...80 x86-64 cores?

I'm failing to see how 480 ARM cores of any design is going to consume 5 watts, but heeey wth.
If current high performance quads use like 2 watts, it puts the overall power consumption at 120watts. Since 99.999...=100, its like the same order of magnitude as 120 basically. Give or take some rounding errors and 5 watts is basically 100. I have a math degree. Fact.
 

TuxDave

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I actually want to see these things made so they can publicly benchmark it. Everything I know is word of mouth and I want to actually see the numbers.
 

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I know the OP is been sarcastic but they might not be wrong about AMD. AMD are in business because it's better for Intel to have a weak competitor than none at all. If Intel had wanted to they could of frozen AMD out of the market with a price war but they haven't. However if ARM's minions start to attack the low end desktop, mobile and server market with far cheaper chips than x86 then Intel will have to respond which will put AMD out of business.
 

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People are ARMbarrassingly willing to believe that ARM is magical.

You can't get away from the fact that ARMs are slow. And just because one company is doing ARM servers doesn't mean that it's going to pan out. New tech companies comes and go trying new ideas. Most don't make it.

Ya but 1+1 =2 / When NV announced it was going ARM . ARM became a powerhouse cpu in the forums . FACT
 

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Clock for Clock how fast is ARM's current architecture compared to Sandy, and Core 2?

If it's 50% slower but takes less than 2w per core, I consider it a Win.
 

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Clock for Clock how fast is ARM's current architecture compared to Sandy, and Core 2?

If it's 50% slower but takes less than 2w per core, I consider it a Win.
Many people here are hitting 100Gflops with their overclocked SBs and AVX. An iPad calculates a massive 0.042Gflops in Linpack. That is a difference of 2,381x!

Granted, the FPU isn't ARM's strong poing, but Linpack is the easiest cross platform benchmark I can find. The most powerful ARM cores are being stressed benchmarking web page loading times. I can't find any benchmarks showing how long it takes an i7 990x to load the front page of Anandtech.
 
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CTho9305

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Clock for Clock how fast is ARM's current architecture compared to Sandy, and Core 2?

If it's 50% slower but takes less than 2w per core, I consider it a Win.
Many people here are hitting 100Gflops with their overclocked SBs and AVX. An iPad calculates a massive 0.042Gflops in Linpack. That is a difference of 2,381x!

Granted, the FPU isn't ARM's strong poing, but Linpack is the easiest cross platform benchmark I can find. The most powerful ARM cores are being stressed benchmarking web page loading times. I can't find any benchmarks showing how long it takes an i7 990x to load the front page of Anandtech.

There are a few things you need to consider before making that kind of comparison:
1) ARM CPUs are usually not binned. If a phone is sold with a 1.2GHz CPU, then ~99% of the die are capable of running at 1.2GHz (and 1% go in the trash), but most of them can run much faster than that. In effect, the vast majority of ARM CPUs are extremely underclocked. Comparing to overclocked x86 CPUs is not a good comparison; a better comparison would be the slowest-available x86 product at its stock speeds. Somebody selling high-volume desktops or laptops would likely bin their CPUs and run most chips hundreds of MHz faster.
2) Most A9 SOCs have very limited memory interfaces to reduce power. As a result, if an application like linpack doesn't fit in the cache, its performance will be artificially constrained. There's no fundamental reason you couldn't build an SOC with a faster DDR interface, but if all you have chips with low-power memory interfaces you absolutely must ensure your benchmarks fit in cache when attempting to evaluate the performance of the core itself.
3) A9 only has a 64 bit floating point unit. It's trivial to double that to 128 bit (in fact, Qualcomm's A8 derivative has a 128 bit floating point unit, but A8 is an in-order architecture and I can't find any details right now about their next generation products), but nobody has built an A9 derivative with a fully-pipelined 128 bit FPU yet. That's not a difficult thing to do...it's just the wrong tradeoff for the market people are using ARM for at the moment.
4) You need to be aware of the number of cores your benchmark uses when comparing A9 to i7.

By the way, the iPad 2 apparently does 160MFLOPs, compared to the iPad 1 at 41MFLOPS. Yes, that's still 500X, but see my comments above.
 
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there comes a point where it's "enough"
we're not there yet but will be soon
that's why I'm bearish on Intel/AMD
 

Ferzerp

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500x, that's like, umm one order of magnitude, right? <grin>

(I'm reminded of rain man. "About $100")