Shootout in Oakland

[shortylickens]

It's really embarrassing for people watching them try to use sarcasm and fail that badly.

Oh, the issues of the legacy of racism and poverty, ha ha ha ha, they're just a joke!

Keep going, you are well on your way to a lovely little strawman.

 

[CZroe]

So, if I have a gun and get fired on and attempt retreat but continue to be fired on, I can't return fire without people expecting me to be arrested?

It's really embarrassing for people watching them try to use sarcasm and fail that badly.

Oh, the issues of the legacy of racism and poverty, ha ha ha ha, they're just a joke!

Those were not the issue, you race-baiting troll.

 

[yllus]

That guy in the video just turned around and looked, then walked away like nothing had happened. lol

If I had my wits about me, I'd react in much the same way - I'd try not to be a blur of sudden movement in the corner of some random shooter's eye.

 

[brianmanahan]

note to self - when i visit san fran, dont visit oakland.

 

[Zodiark1593]

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/vi...-records-daytime-shootout-on-oakland-streets/

Hmmm. . . . shooting wildly in the streets is okay as long as you're returning fire?!?!!? How long before Oakland turns into Detroit?

I was actually passing by in a train when the shootout was in progress. I saw all the police, and the ambulance. I was tempted to take a picture, but I decided too late.

 

[BoomerD]

note to self - when i visit san fran, dont visit oakland.

Just visit 3rd St. in the Hunter's Point/Bayview district. You'll be fine.

 

[Scotteq]

Just visit 3rd St. in the Hunter's Point/Bayview district. You'll be fine.

The Navy used to use the dry dock there before they closed the Alameda base. Even 25 years ago, Navy personnel were not allowed to leave Hunter's Point via any of the gates. But rather would have to take one of the (Navy provided) ferrys across the bay.

Says a lot about the area that almost nobody complained about the inconvenience.

 

[Ichinisan]

note to self - when i visit san fran, dont visit oakland.

I would probably just skip San Fran too.

 

[JEDIYoda]

And this is news to you because...

you don`t expect the Op to be involved in this thread...

 

[skyking]

Please give me a hug. I sold a 1937 H&R .22 Friday. I has a sad.

Dude, tell me it was not a 999

 

[Craig234]

Those were not the issue, you race-baiting troll.

You make a false point with name-calling. Pretty crappy.

They ARE issues, but are ignored in posts like the one I responded to, which was my point.

Peope propagating the false myth that all efforts to address problems in high-crime areas are nothing but pointless, useless, even harmful 'giveaways' we should end immediately.

 

[Craig234]

Keep going, you are well on your way to a lovely little strawman.

The strawman is in the post I answered - the one attacking food assistance for the poor while blithely ignoring - and implicitly denying - the issues I mentioned. But you're blind.

 

[shortylickens]

The strawman is in the post I answered - the one attacking food assistance for the poor while blithely ignoring - and implicitly denying - the issues I mentioned. But you're blind.

 

[Craig234]

I used to live near Oakland in Alameda. I remember when I first moved up I got lost looking for a mattress store.

My car GPS actually said current location had not been mapped when I turned into some ghetto part . Then like 15 guys with black doo rags saw me driving in and started looking over.

Most of Oakland is OK though and areas like rockridge and Oakland hills are actually nice. Lake Merritt too. But some areas they do need to basically vaporize with an ion cannon from space

Let's see, they looked at you, you want to kill all of them, and they're the bad guys.

Actually, many of them ARE the bad guys - but so are you with your racism and offering nothing more useful than 'kill them all'.

We live in a society with a lot of unfair things, and it's some hard work to fix some of the problem, that's worth doing.

But that sort of mindless 'use an ion cannon from space' idiocy reflects a political ignorance and apathy helping prevent improving things.

The answers to the horrors in Oakland is not to say 'blast from them space'. But you don't care what the answers are.

You don't understand that you're ignorant about it.

 

[Soundmanred]

Let's see, they looked at you, you want to kill all of them, and they're the bad guys.

So is this a white knight situation?
Or would it be called a black knight situation?

 

[Craig234]

So is this a white knight situation?
Or would it be called a black knight situation?

I'm not sure what the term means to you or what you're trying to say. I don't think there were any 'knights' in his situation.

 

[SlickSnake]

They just need to bring back the draft, and problem solved. You don't have nearly as many potential criminals causing trouble and hanging around with nothing to do when there is a draft going on. And many of them would be drafted and accepted whether they liked it or not. And the draft is going to come back again, you can bet on it. The military can certainly give people who need a job and a career a good place to start.

 

[Nintendesert]

They just need to bring back the draft, and problem solved. You don't have nearly as many potential criminals causing trouble and hanging around with nothing to do when there is a draft going on. And many of them would be drafted and accepted whether they liked it or not. And the draft is going to come back again, you can bet on it. The military can certainly give people who need a job and a career a good place to start.

Yes, giving these thugs military training will certainly make the situation better in their communities.

 

[mrkun]

I live in Alameda, about three miles from where the shooting took place. Honestly, I'd feel OK in most parts of Oakland during the day. It's unfortunate this is fairly common here, but Oakland still doesn't have the Third World slum feel of cities like Detroit. As someone else mentioned, there are a number of nice parts of the city, and the gentrification of San Francisco has spilled over into Oakland (much like Brooklyn with NYC) with areas like Uptown and Temescal becoming yuppie/hipster havens, and the trend will only continue to increase with the uptick in the economy.

Edit: If anyone wants a pic of the intersection, I'd be happy to go take one.

 

[boomerang]

Let's see, they looked at you, you want to kill all of them, and they're the bad guys.

Actually, many of them ARE the bad guys - but so are you with your racism and offering nothing more useful than 'kill them all'.

We live in a society with a lot of unfair things, and it's some hard work to fix some of the problem, that's worth doing.

But that sort of mindless 'use an ion cannon from space' idiocy reflects a political ignorance and apathy helping prevent improving things.

The answers to the horrors in Oakland is not to say 'blast from them space'. But you don't care what the answers are.

You don't understand that you're ignorant about it.

The horrors in Oakland are the result of progressive policies put in place and nurtured by the likes of you. YOU are to blame. It's all on your shoulders but in true progressive fashion, you blame it on others.

I was belittling and berating your mindset. It's a poison on the land and one we've endured for too long. You feign interest in helping the downtrodden because it suits your political purposes. You are responsible for the unfair things in society because without them, you'd amount to even less than you do today. Those of your mindset had control of this nation for many decades and do today. In that period of time what have you achieved? You've created more misery and more poverty. Why? Because it sustains you. You've solved nothing and you never will. Then you have the nerve to proselytize to us.

What kind of monster are you?

 

[Slew Foot]

The horrors in Oakland are the result of progressive policies put in place and nurtured by the likes of you. YOU are to blame. It's all on your shoulders but in true progressive fashion, you blame it on others.

I was belittling and berating your mindset. It's a poison on the land and one we've endured for too long. You feign interest in helping the downtrodden because it suits your political purposes. You are responsible for the unfair things in society because without them, you'd amount to even less than you do today. Those of your mindset had control of this nation for many decades and do today. In that period of time what have you achieved? You've created more misery and more poverty. Why? Because it sustains you. You've solved nothing and you never will. Then you have the nerve to proselytize to us.

What kind of monster are you?

Preach it brother.

 

[boomerang]

Preach it brother.

Can I get a witness?

 

[Scotteq]

Yes, giving these thugs military training will certainly make the situation better in their communities.

Too Late: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7YOW2h0umw {45 Minutes, but the first two say enough}



http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/2011-national-gang-threat-assessment

Gangs encourage members, associates, and relatives to obtain law enforcement, judiciary, or legal employment in order to gather information on rival gangs and law enforcement operations. Gang infiltration of the military continues to pose a significant criminal threat, as members of at least 53 gangs have been identified on both domestic and international military installations. Gang members who learn advanced weaponry and combat techniques in the military are at risk of employing these skills on the street when they return to their communities.

http://www.newson6.com/story/16949671/gangs-in-our-military


http://www.gangsorus.com/street_gangs_in_military.htm


http://www.businessinsider.com/fbi-gang-assessment-us-military-2011-10

 

[Ruptga]

Can I get a witness?

You probably can, but angry conservatives are not an overwhelming majority here, so don't expect too much validation.

I'll just say that if social conservatives weren't so busy being butthurt about (damn near literally) every single bill and idea proposed by anyone else (including moderate conservatives), things might change around the nation. New legislation might get made, and old stuff amended. Instead we have perpetual legislative gridlock while you stonewall, filibuster, and generally bitch out almost every single item that isn't a plank of your party.

 

[SlickSnake]

Too Late: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7YOW2h0umw {45 Minutes, but the first two say enough}

http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/2011-national-gang-threat-assessment

http://www.newson6.com/story/16949671/gangs-in-our-military

http://www.gangsorus.com/street_gangs_in_military.htm

http://www.businessinsider.com/fbi-gang-assessment-us-military-2011-10

I KNOW, THEY ARE EVERYWHERE. Seriously, at least my plan is a plan. And military justice don't put up with gang crap. They are far less lenient than the criminal justice system is.