Shootings...This is happening to often...

[BDawg]

I agree that alot of the problem stems from the mindset of the children. No, it didn't always happen. At the same time, we haven't always had the same quality of gun made readily available.

Let's say we gave everyone a nuclear warhead. If someone gets mad and sets his off, kills 3 million people, would we then say, it was the guy, not the bomb? I contend if he didn't have the bomb, he couldn't have killed so many.

There's always going to be whackos. We just have to make sure when they go off, they can't kill everyone so easily.

As has been noted, other countries have much stricter gun laws. I don't really consider Britain or Canada to be police states. You can buy a knife in both places without any kind of hassle.

 

[GL]

Tzen, did I say you specifically called me any names In fact, I explicitly said the opposite.

Fettsbabe

A lot of these shootings are done by middle aged people whose parents brought up their children far differently. I agree that parents need to stop with the stupid "i'm your friend" routine and get going with the "i'm your parent, let me teach you who's the boss" routine. That's how I was brought up and I 20 years old so I'm not that old! The problem with this issue is you can peg it on so many causes. Bad parenting is probably a factor, but so then could the current environment the person is living in, stress, and economic situations.

But the fact of the matter remains that a nutty man with a gun is exponentially more deadly than one with a knife or any lesser weapon. As much as BDawg's analogy makes me smile, it is so true. All I'm saying is that without easy access to guns the number of people who would die in these specific crimes would drop. That being said, I think an equal effort should be focussed on counselling people before they become nutcases and forceably treating them if they have already become one.

If Hitler had the underwhelming force of the army of Timbuktu, do you think he would have had such a magnitude of negative effect on the world? He'd be still as nutty, and carry out the same attrocious crimes, but I'd bet my money they'd be far less in number and he'd be easily put back into his place in the world.

-GL

 

[Tzen]

A nut can just as easily get into a car and run people over. Why not ban cars, too? Will that make you happy? Guns are not "toys". They're difficult to use if you don't know what you're doing. I assume someone who can shoot a gun CORRECTLY can drive a car. Maybe if the cops were not so dirty and sleazy (In Alabama at the very least. Beating your wife and children is apparently a hobby of theirs) people wouldn't feel the need to protect themselves.

Sorry about the mix up before. I was just angry and didn't think with a very clear mind. I'm going to avoid the Off Topic section from now on, which is what I should have done in the first place. Sorry, and good-bye.

Tzen

 

[kumanchu]

eh. its news. besides, you must realize that if they do report it, that the people that think "hey i could do this" also realize, "CRAP look at what it does to people around them that i don't want to hurt..." or "CRAP people are going to be making fun of me for eternity for being st00pid enough to kill someone" or " CRAP i dont' want to kill myself!"

 

[classy]

I just can't understand the arguements for guns. They are plain stupid. Gun advocates say taking away guns won't help? Its amazing we are steadily opening up the ground and allowing the earth to swallow up people and you still have these idiots running around screaming don't take my gun. Then they say well they'll use this or they'll use that. But they are using guns, not cars, bats, knives, or wrestling moves. Literally 10's of thousands are dying from gun violence and we still have these goofy people running around talking about guns aren't the problem. While they're whining about keeping their gun, people are attending funerals, crying while they are watching another casket being lowered into the ground. Its senseless.

 

[GL]

Tzen,

For whatever reason, nuts just don't get into cars and run people over. Statistics however do backup that nuts like to use guns. Secondly, cars have another use, in fact their primary use, which is transportation. Guns only have one use. That is as a weapon - either to hunt livestock or to hunt people. Dangerous things like cars are regulated - law abiding citizens can use them as long as they continue obeying the law, because as I said they benefit society as a transportation device. When their benefits start to outweigh their negative affect, cars can be banned. Look no further than Mexico. I do believe that certain cars are banned from driving on certain days because there are simply too many cars. If I'm not mistaken, automobile traffic is also banned outside the White House because some nut could store a bomb in a van, park it outside the White House and well...you get the picture.

Guns too can be used for good. They are great for hunting and for law enforcement to keep criminals at bay. However, when their benefits start to get outweighed by their negative affects, you've got to wonder. Anyhow, that's up for you Americans decide. It's your country and not mine. I'm just giving you my two cents.

-GL

 

[veryape]

Tzen,you make some very foolish analagies. Cars cannot even remotely be compared to guns. Thats just foolish.

 

[BoberFett]

Why can't cars be compared to guns? Both are simply tools which can be used properly or improperly. When used improperly they can cause death. But I can already hear the liberals screaming "But cars have a purpose, guns are just meant to kill!"

Let's look at something else then. Here's the site with figures on auto crash fatalities.

15,786 people were killed in 1999 in alcohol related auto crashes.
15,935 in 1998
16,189 in 1997
17,126 in 1996

I could go on, but you can look up the numbers as easily as I can if you doubt them.

What's my point? My point is that alcohol has no useful purpose. It only exists to get a person drunk. And look at how many people die because of it. But wait! Drunk driving is illegal! People aren't supposed to do illegal things! Hmmm, I guess people do what they want even it's against the law. And remember what happened the last time you tried to ban alcohol? Only criminals had alcohol.

You gun haters make me sick with your hypocrisy and severe tunnel vision.

Edit: Fixed link

 

[FettsBabe]

Way to go Fett. Great comparison.

 

[Tzen]

Show me real information showing the fact that guns kill thousands and thousands of people all the time, and that nuts "like" guns. I think you idiots don't understand the fact that someone can't just snap their fingers and make every single gun just vanish out of thin air. If you shut down every legal gun shop in the US, do you think that guns would not be around? HELLO? I don't think so. Cars are weapons. Hmm, why are some cars sporty and faster? A faster car has no useful purpose right? Aren't cars just for transportation? Aren't speed limits 80MPH or less? Why do cars go faster? Why don't we make all cars the same, and govern them so they can't go more than 80MPH. They must all be for transporting people or items, and may not be sporty and fast. If guns did go away the nuts would still be here, and they'd just use something else. Why don't you show some true hard evidence that the media never manages to show? Like how many deaths are gun related, how many are knife related, etc. Don't just tell me crap they everyone repeats and no one backs up.

 

[Pretender]

Oh come on, what's the big deal if we lose a few people a month due to shootings? The chances of getting shot is rather low, I'd start worrying about dealing with sources of death which actually do cause massive amounts of deaths - car crashes, famine, and that minor global warming problem which will probably end up raping us in a few decades.

Yes, no one likes to see a few people get shot up in a place of employment or learning somewhere because it reminds us that we are all mortal and it could've been us, but unless you want to turn the US into a isolationist police state, keep all people out and get rid of all guns, including from law enforcement officers, we'd stop the shootings from traditional firearms. Then people would just make their own, or bombs or use knives. The root of the problem isn't the availability of guns, there are deeper problems in society which have been overlooked in the allmighty quest for a buck that it's almost futile to even bother trying to stop this.

 

[silent tone]

Well, at least pretender can see the importance of the larger picture. Anyway, we can't ban guns on the basis of mass killings or premeditated action, because other weapons, bombs, cars could be substituted. Or, there would be time to obtain an illegal gun from the underground.

The relatively spontaneous reactions to fights, arguments, etc would often be prohibited from using a gun, because it couldn't be obtained on short notice. The ease of obtaining illegal drugs is not an accurate analogy, because drug users make purchases periodically from known sources. So there is a steady market demand. I'd say that there's too few killings with guns to make the market profitable for organizations bringing them into the country. Would people get guns in anticipation that they will need one? Some would, some wouldn't. But guns are more versatile and effective than most other weapons, so net destruction would go down as use of guns goes down.

So, can we give up rights or freedoms to increase our safety?

 

[classy]

"You gun haters make me sick with your hypocrisy and severe tunnel vision. "
BoberFett aka BoobsFett

Well why don't you and the rest of your gun club minions get together and mail cards to all the families with this dumb@ss statement and all the other dumb ones also? Why not attend the funerals and tell them how its not guns that are at fault. Better yet just visit your city coroner and check out the bodies and you guys be the ones to call people's families to give them the news. Maybe when one of you guys family members get a "cap" busted in them maybe you'll change your thinking. Next time BobbieFett you make a statement as dumb as this one, just look at your child and wonder how you would feel if you had to be one of these parents that have to bury one of their children because of senseless and out of control gun viloence. And that goes for the rest of you Gun Geniuses.

Gun advocates are just like cigarette companies. Despite all the dead bodies that are piling up everyday each one will tell you there is no problems. Go figure

 

[vi edit]

I say ban bullets.

 

[BoberFett]

classless

Why don't you visit the Holocaust Museum in D.C. and see what happened in a country that banned guns in order to "protect it's citizens".

 

[Pretender]

classy: no one doubts that if one of us got a family member shot, we would be upset; and if the same happened to a friend, we would be consolative, but it doesn't change the facts that the fault doesn't lie in the guns or the lack of "gun control". Do you seriously think that if guns weren't easily publicly (publicly being defined as the ability for a civilian to obtain a gun throuth legal means) available, the criminals would just go home and take up knitting instead of robbing and injuring? Doubtful. Maybe you should think about life and what causes things rather than making an incorrect correlation between the gun which kills someone and the possibility that the blame belongs on the gun, not the person who pulled the trigger.

 

[mpg]

speaking of this someone got shot at my school thursday

 

[BigLance]

Guns dont kill people, people kill people. Whoever thinks taking guns away is the right thing to do is a moron. The "bad people" will get guns, the rest of us won't. Now were really screwed ! And that is because they will know that no one has any sort of defense... hmm, good idea ?? Nope.

 

[RGN]

Fifty years ago people could just walk into a hardware store and buy guns and ammo and walk right out. It was never a problem. The current laws were not put into effect until Kennedy was shot. It took a severe tragedy to convince the American people to restrict the firearms laws. It still did not help against the rising tide of gun violence. Not much happened again until Prez Regan was shot. More laws were put into effect. Still, the laws, both the early and later restrictions did not slow the growth of gun violence. It is NOT the guns and its NOT the laws. Its the people. They DO_NOT_CARE! Consequences mean nothing.

I own several guns. Many are talked about in the media as being 'bad'. I will not go shooting up my job. I will not shoot up a school. I will not shoot up a company that does me wrong. It is not 'right' to do that. My ethics say no. These people who shoot up thier jobs have no moral backbone. The candy, cake and ice cream did not cause you to to eat them and get fat did they?

Then why did would a gun cause you to shoot people?


And you people from canada shut the hell up with your "Its hard to get a gun here and the voilence is less that America" There are a LOT of guns in America. They are not all legal guns. It is VERY easy to get a gun on the street. I'm talking about no questions asked, no serial numbers and no responsibility. These guns are not just going to go away. To remove the guns from the populous, would be taking the guns from the Law abiding people not the craizies, druggies, and the gangstas. It will not happen. I'm also leaving out all the old guns that are still semi-automatic and fully functional that there are NO records of(as to who owns them). Lots of them.

Think about this people. Do not run off of emotions. That is no way to prove a point and make a clear unbiased decision.

 

[Tominator]

classy
As usual, you've no idea what you are talking about....None at all..classic Liberal mindset....Damn the Facts! Get them GUNS!

 

[guyver01]

Damn man... with all these stats and killings, i should just go out and buy me an AWP! 1 shot 1 kill... that's the way to home defense... tripwires set to flashbangs and smoke grenades... then <POW> got me a frag!!!!!


<g> lets turn this into a CS thread!!