Shooting Reported at Gardena High School in Cali

[Zebo]

Any student who would take a loaded handgun in his backback to high school should be kicked out of school permanetly. Send him to boot camp.

There are some high schools you'd be wise not to go any other way. Unless you just want to be a victim of shootings, stabbings and beatings.

 

[AznAnarchy99]

Why do you mock? A gun doesn't just "go off". It's not some ticking timebomb that if you look at it wrong or toss it it will fire. Maybe it's just me because I was raised to understand firearms and handle them at an early age. The reports I read was he was "showing off" and wanted to "put the safety on". At age 15 I knew exactly how to handle firearms and the respect they need, just like a chainsaw.

That screams not knowing how to handle a firearm. Who's fault is that? The father/parents. If he felt he needed a weapon, he should know how to use it/operate it. Fault the father for not teaching how to handle firearms, fault the kid for not knowing, fault all you want.

Lemme guess, you think tossing a firearm to the ground makes it fire? Answer that, in this thread. I'll give you a clue, pulling the trigger makes it go bang.

This isnt the south. You really think his parents would take him to the range when he was a kid to teach him proper gun use?

TBH I feel bad for the guy as much as I feel bad for bad for the students shot. How shitty do you think the LAUSD is where you have to me searched by metal detectors before you even go on school grounds?

 

[xj0hnx]

This isnt the south. You really think his parents would take him to the range when he was a kid to teach him proper gun use?

TBH I feel bad for the guy as much as I feel bad for bad for the students shot. How shitty do you think the LAUSD is where you have to me searched by metal detectors before you even go on school grounds?

If they are going to have a gun in the house ...yes.

I agree about the schools though, my old high school put up fences all the way around a few years after I graduated, looks more like a prison now.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Unless you have one of these ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5H2GYOhKtM

Of course there's a lot of debate between carrying black, or red depending on the gun, and carrying without one on the chamber. It's called Israeli carry for short, or IMD Israeli Mossad Draw, and if you properly train to carry Israeli, you will not be hindered in the event that you need to draw your firearm. The problem that makes it an actual debate are those that carry this way and do not practice running their gun upon drawing.

Ok, that might be one of the coolest things ever. I'll have to look into that.

I'm not a fan of racking after draw because it requires both hands, and there's too many other things your off hand may be doing. It also makes it difficult, if not impossible, to get a shot ready without being seen.

I realize some people are against it, but with the safety of modern firearms there's just no statistical threat from carrying hot.

 

[PrinceofWands]

This isnt the south. You really think his parents would take him to the range when he was a kid to teach him proper gun use?

TBH I feel bad for the guy as much as I feel bad for bad for the students shot. How shitty do you think the LAUSD is where you have to me searched by metal detectors before you even go on school grounds?

I live in WA where it's very common to know how and it's pretty solid blue (except in eastern WA, which is basically another planet). Same in many NE states.

I'm not saying there's no difference between LA/NYC and the rest of the country, but people need to realize it IS most of the rest of the country against a handful of super-metropolises, and not just a select few states in a specific geographic region. The nation is NOT LA/NYC.

 

[xj0hnx]

Ok, that might be one of the coolest things ever. I'll have to look into that.

I'm not a fan of racking after draw because it requires both hands, and there's too many other things your off hand may be doing. It also makes it difficult, if not impossible, to get a shot ready without being seen.

I realize some people are against it, but with the safety of modern firearms there's just no statistical threat from carrying hot.

Leave it to the Russians.

"You spend millions make pen write in space, we use pencils."

 

[PrinceofWands]

Leave it to the Russians.

"You spend millions make pen write in space, we use pencils."

Yup. Although, to be fair, that's a hoax statement.
http://www.snopes.com/business/genius/spacepen.asp

The spirit of it, however, is spot on.

 

[xj0hnx]

Yup. Although, to be fair, that's a hoax statement.
http://www.snopes.com/business/genius/spacepen.asp

The spirit of it, however, is spot on.

Yea I know, I just always though it was a funny saying, and statement especially in regards to firearms and our approach vs other countries, but as you said spot on.

 

[nobodyknows]

There are some high schools you'd be wise not to go any other way. Unless you just want to be a victim of shootings, stabbings and beatings.

What? Are you saying that shooting are common in some schools? I would think it would hit the news if that were the case.

I find it sad that today's young believe all the hype being forcefeed them. Why don't they go out and settle their differences like civilized people instead of gangsters?

 

[nobodyknows]

I realize some people are against it, but with the safety of modern firearms there's just no statistical threat from carrying hot.

Statistically, empty guns can't shoot someone, but it happens all the time.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Statistically, empty guns can't shoot someone, but it happens all the time.

Actually it very very seldom happens...assuming that you're talking about ACTUAL empty firearms firing from one left in the chamber. In fact, accidents of ANY type are very very rare...from a statistical standpoint.

 

[spidey07]

Actually it very very seldom happens...assuming that you're talking about ACTUAL empty firearms firing from one left in the chamber. In fact, accidents of ANY type are very very rare...from a statistical standpoint.

Exactly. "accidental discharge" really means "negligent discharge" and can be traced back to failure to follow the 4 rules.

If the kids weapon was in a holster in his pack highly unlikely this would have occured.

 

[nobodyknows]

Actually it very very seldom happens...assuming that you're talking about ACTUAL empty firearms firing from one left in the chamber. In fact, accidents of ANY type are very very rare...from a statistical standpoint.

Accidents are rare, but they happen. People are shoot with guns that were THOUGHT to be empty on a regular basis. It seems needlessly risky to be carrying a loaded (chambered round) pistol unless you were anticipating a high probability of needing it is just counter to common sense. As far as the safety goes, you may THINK the saftey is on, but humans make mistakes.

 

[bfdd]

If they are going to have a gun in the house ...yes.

I agree about the schools though, my old high school put up fences all the way around a few years after I graduated, looks more like a prison now.

lol you wish it was as good as prison.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Accidents are rare, but they happen. People are shoot with guns that were THOUGHT to be empty on a regular basis. It seems needlessly risky to be carrying a loaded (chambered round) pistol unless you were anticipating a high probability of needing it is just counter to common sense. As far as the safety goes, you may THINK the saftey is on, but humans make mistakes.

They do happen, but only a statistically insignificant amount. We're talking about roughly 500 deaths per year, or about .5% of all accidental deaths. Roughly 1/3 as many as dies from medical accidents, or 1/80th as many as die in vehicle accidents. That's even with nearly 300,000,000 firearms in the country. We're talking about an injury rate so low as honestly not be worth considering. You're roughly as likely to be struck by lightning as be accidentally killed by a firearm.

There is essentially no risk.

If you NEED a weapon, however, then you NEED it nearly immediately. Since there is no real danger from carrying chambered, but there IS a statistical reality of becoming a violent crime victim, the choice seems obvious. Either carry ready to fire, or don't bother carrying. My own opinion on the matter of course.

 

[Zebo]

lol @ carrying unchambered. "Hold on wait a second to stab me or shoot me while I chamber a round."

For noobs most guns just don't go off anyway you can throw them down a flight of concrete stairs and they won't go off unless trigger is pulled.

 

[Zebo]

People are shoot with guns that were THOUGHT to be empty on a regular basis.

Exactly why you always assume weapon is loaded and never point muzzle at something unless you want to destroy it. Dumbasses who carry unchambered do stupid shit like shoot their friends forgetting that this time there was a round in chamber.. They would have saved everyone a lot of heart ache locked and loaded at all time so there is no question as to weapons status.