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[iGas]

Compare the United States vs. Canada -- Number of Homicides (any method)

USA -- 14159 Homicides
Canada -- 611 Homicides

23:1 ratio

Compare the United States vs. Canada -- Number of Gun Homicides

USA -- 9484 Homicides
Canada -- 200 Homicides

47:1 ratio

USA vs. Canada population ratio is 8.3:1 population

Gun violence

Columbia
85 -- % homicides with firearms
51.77 -- Firearm homicide rate per 100,000 pop.
10.9 -- Non-firearm homicide rate per 100,000 pop.
62.7 -- Overall homicide rate per 100,000 pop.

Guatemala
75 -- % homicides with firearms
18.50 -- Firearm homicide rate per 100,000 pop.
25.5 -- Non-firearm homicide rate per 100,000 pop.
25.47 -- Overall homicide rate per 100,000 pop.

United States[27]
65 -- % homicides with firearms
2.97 -- Firearm homicide rate per 100,000 pop.
1.58 -- Non-firearm homicide rate per 100,000 pop.
4.55 -- Overall homicide rate per 100,000 pop.

IMHO, it look like gun control work.

 

[exdeath]

Well I wouldn't say that. Hunting is one segment of gun rights, LL is simply refusing to acknowledge the several other segments.

The context of gun rights in the Constitution and supporting literature mention absolutely zero about hunting when discussing justification for arms in the hands of citizens.

We all know what it's really there for, it's just too dark and dirty to go there, especially with today's growing discontent, political violence, and "home grown terror" scare-mongering. Thus it's politically incorrect taboo to discuss it's actual purpose.

Furthermore, "hunting" always being the #1 reason to have guns is brought up in political debates and can lead to grounds for removing gun rights due to the wide availability of supermarkets and obsolescence of hunting for anything other than a hobby. It then also empowers the idea that only certain types of guns are "needed" for hunting purposes, so arguing hunting just does gun rights a disservice.

IMO anyone who mentions "hunting" when discussing gun rights is immediately disqualified from debating the issue.

If you want my support as a political leader, I don't want to see you with a double barrel wooden shotgun and a orange jacket pretending to shoot ducks. I want to see you showing off your personal AR15 or AK47 and admitting what the 2nd Amendment is really about. If you can tell me to my face why the founding fathers want us to own AK47s and look me in the eye as a politician without being scared that I DO in fact have an AK47 of my own, then I know you are being truthful and honest in your politics and have nothing to hide from those you represent.

 

[Lemon law]

guns don't kill people, holy crap we've been over that.... so then explain to me how people die in places like the U.K.???? gun BAN over there..... so in theory people should only die of old age, right?

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People die all over the planet, no escaping death and taxes. But people in the UK have a far lower probability of dying from gun violence than we do in the USA. And for that matter, that statement can be made for almost every every civilized Nation on earth with the lone exception of the USA.

 

[exdeath]

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People die all over the planet, no escaping death and taxes. But people in the UK have a far lower probability of dying from gun violence than we do in the USA. And for that matter, that statement can be made for almost every every civilized Nation on earth with the lone exception of the USA.

Remove gangs and drugs and such from the statistics to get the real number. Most victims of gun violence are voluntarily involved in lifestyles and situations that increase their exposure to gun violence in the first place. Live by the sword die by the sword. If you're into drugs and ripping people off and gang banging and breaking into people's houses, you're going to get shot eventually. Duh.

Normal people who mind their own business and just go about their lives very rarely are the target of gun violence, save for the very rare random burglary gone wrong or lunatic who decides to shoot up a McDonalds because he got fired. It only seems more common than it actually is because the media sensationalizes it.

I guarantee you most victims of gun violence in the US had it coming in one way or another. The rest of us don't seem to have a problem with it. For all the hype in the LOCAL news about gangs and drugs and drive bys and people dying left and right all over the place to guns every day, I've never once had a bullet hit my house or even heard gunfire in my neighborhood... BECAUSE I DON'T LIVE IN THE DAMN GHETTO. Imagine that.

 

[halik]

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People die all over the planet, no escaping death and taxes. But people in the UK have a far lower probability of dying from gun violence than we do in the USA. And for that matter, that statement can be made for almost every every civilized Nation on earth with the lone exception of the USA.

Even with guns excluded, the homicide rate in the UK is lower than the U.S. Not a very compelling argument for gun control then.

Also take out the young black male factor (34/100K ):
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/105...wave-of-gun-violence-across-black-america.htm

 

[irishScott]

Even with guns excluded, the homicide rate in the UK is lower than the U.S. Not a very compelling argument for gun control then.

Also take out the young black male factor (34/100K ):
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/105...wave-of-gun-violence-across-black-america.htm

Also worth noting that the UK has a higher violent crime rate.

 

[theeedude]

Suspect has been killed:
http://www.mercurynews.com/top-stories/ci_19053663
Just glad it's over.

 

[Lithium381]

Suspect has been killed:
http://www.mercurynews.com/top-stories/ci_19053663
Just glad it's over.

yes, Lots of anxious people driving to work today wondering if he'd jump into rush hour traffic and lay it down.....

i'm glad it's over.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Compare the United States vs. Canada -- Number of Homicides (any method)

USA -- 14159 Homicides
Canada -- 611 Homicides

23:1 ratio

Compare the United States vs. Canada -- Number of Gun Homicides

USA -- 9484 Homicides
Canada -- 200 Homicides

47:1 ratio

USA vs. Canada population ratio is 8.3:1 population

Gun violence

Columbia
85 -- % homicides with firearms
51.77 -- Firearm homicide rate per 100,000 pop.
10.9 -- Non-firearm homicide rate per 100,000 pop.
62.7 -- Overall homicide rate per 100,000 pop.

Guatemala
75 -- % homicides with firearms
18.50 -- Firearm homicide rate per 100,000 pop.
25.5 -- Non-firearm homicide rate per 100,000 pop.
25.47 -- Overall homicide rate per 100,000 pop.

United States[27]
65 -- % homicides with firearms
2.97 -- Firearm homicide rate per 100,000 pop.
1.58 -- Non-firearm homicide rate per 100,000 pop.
4.55 -- Overall homicide rate per 100,000 pop.

IMHO, it look like gun control work.

Correlation is not causation. See look:

Argentina - 1/8 the number of guns per capita, homicide rate 5.5 (higher than ours).

Pakistan - 1/8 the number of guns per capita, homicide rate 6.8.

South Africa - 1/7 the number of guns per capita, homicide rate 34 (8 times ours).

Conversely:

Serbia - 3/4 the number of guns per capita, homicide rate 1.97 (less than half ours)

Yemen - 3/4 the number of guns per capita, homicide rate 4

Switzerland - 3/4 the number of guns per capita, homicide rate .71 (1/7 ours)

I can do it too.

Bottom line: guns do not causally affect homicide rates. Nor do they causally impact suicide rates, which I could show in the same manner. Nor do they causally impact crime rates, for those on the other side. They're nothing but weak correlations with a thousand other explanations.

 

[theeedude]

There is a gun club not far from the quarry where he worked, I wonder if the guy was a member.
He sure seemed to have a lot of guns for a guy who just "snapped."

 

[Lithium381]

There is a gun club not far from the quarry where he worked, I wonder if the guy was a member.
He sure seemed to have a lot of guns for a guy who just "snapped."

I've never snapped, but I have several guns...... doesn't mean I'll be emotionally stable if my wife were to leave with the baby.......

are you saying it was maybe premeditated?

 

[Lithium381]

There is a gun club not far from the quarry where he worked, I wonder if the guy was a member.
He sure seemed to have a lot of guns for a guy who just "snapped."

I've actually been to that gunclub, you don't have to be a member to shoot there.... just pay the drop in rate....

 

[theeedude]

I've never snapped, but I have several guns...... doesn't mean I'll be emotionally stable if my wife were to leave with the baby.......

are you saying it was maybe premeditated?

It's not that guns make someone snap, but if someone who snaps owns a lot of guns, there is less of a barrier for them to go on a shooting spree than someone who has to take the time and go and buy a pistol and an AK47. I would be interested in how this guy came to own such an arsenal.

 

[Munky]

As MomenNT fails to realize, only irrational people kill people and having un constricted access to guns is the best way to make it possible for people to kill people,

Mr Allman is the NRA version of Mr. Everyman, have gun will travel, and use it on fellow citizens. Sounds more like only guns kill people to me.

Is that the NRA answer that everyone should carry guns so every road rage incident will be settled by guns?

I thank God I live in a region of the country where I need not carry a gun and people need not carry guns to protect themselves against NRA powered criminals.

Sounds like you've drank all the liberal nazi BS and are asking for seconds. Contrary to your BS, most gun owners are not crazy psychos. Had every person been armed, this psycho would have been shot before he could do the damage he did.

 

[exdeath]

It's not that guns make someone snap, but if someone who snaps owns a lot of guns, there is less of a barrier for them to go on a shooting spree than someone who has to take the time and go and buy a pistol and an AK47. I would be interested in how this guy came to own such an arsenal.

Same way as anyone else accumulates cars, video games, or movies, CDs, or kitchen china. You buy a new one that you don't have every once in a while, and after a few years you have lots.

 

[iGas]

Correlation is not causation. See look:

Argentina - 1/8 the number of guns per capita, homicide rate 5.5 (higher than ours).

Pakistan - 1/8 the number of guns per capita, homicide rate 6.8.

South Africa - 1/7 the number of guns per capita, homicide rate 34 (8 times ours).

Conversely:

Serbia - 3/4 the number of guns per capita, homicide rate 1.97 (less than half ours)

Yemen - 3/4 the number of guns per capita, homicide rate 4

Switzerland - 3/4 the number of guns per capita, homicide rate .71 (1/7 ours)

I can do it too.

Bottom line: guns do not causally affect homicide rates. Nor do they causally impact suicide rates, which I could show in the same manner. Nor do they causally impact crime rates, for those on the other side. They're nothing but weak correlations with a thousand other explanations.

There is more to it than just guns per capita. The example I have are countries that allow to have conceal or open carry, and their political system is not any where as stable as our political system.

It make more sense to compare to Canada instead of some back water countries or Switzerland which have completely different culture than the US.

 

[PrinceofWands]

There is more to it than just guns per capita. The example I have are countries that allow to have conceal or open carry, and their political system is not any where as stable as our political system.

It make more sense to compare to Canada instead of some back water countries or Switzerland which have completely different culture than the US.

In the first place, there is NO culture anywhere on the planet similar to America. We're unique among nations and people. Canada might as well be another planet for how similar their culture is to ours. Parliamentary government, heavily socialized, available care and safety nets, almost totally lacking in the history of slavery and indigenous abuses that formed our society, 1/8th our population distributed in the same amount of space we have, etc ad infinitum. Apples and oranges.

If you want countries that allow carry:

Israel - Widespread firearm ownership (granted, heavily slanted towards military use), civilian carry possible, 2.1 homicide rate (half the US).

Italy - Ranked about 50th in the world for firearm ownership, civilian carry possible, 1.1 homicide rate (1/4 the US).

Slovakia - Widespread possession, carry possible, 1.74 homicide rate.

Czech Republic - Widespread possession, carry possible, 1.67 homicide rate.

Bulgaria - 500,000 private guns for 7,000,000 people (equivalent to the population of Washington State), carry possible, 2.3 homicide rate.

I can go on, since there are a few dozen countries that allow concealed carry. Again, there is NO causal relationship between guns and anything else. The National Academy of Sciences has said as much after reviewing all existing gun studies. Gun control has NO positive impacts - PERIOD. Neither does gun saturation, but that's not the point.

 

[BoomerD]

On the 5 o'clock news, they interviewed a kid who is the shooter's nephew. He claims that the shooter showed him the AK-47 a week ago and told him that it was "for the people at work who have been messin with me."
Of course, the nephew says he thought the shooter was only kidding...

 

[Lithium381]

It's not that guns make someone snap, but if someone who snaps owns a lot of guns, there is less of a barrier for them to go on a shooting spree than someone who has to take the time and go and buy a pistol and an AK47. I would be interested in how this guy came to own such an arsenal.

CA has a 10 day waiting period for any gun, and you're only allowed 1 handgun within any 30 day period. Rifles are unlimited purchases, although i'm not sure if that applies to "scary black guns" there might be more restrictions...

 

[xj0hnx]

It's not that guns make someone snap, but if someone who snaps owns a lot of guns, there is less of a barrier for them to go on a shooting spree than someone who has to take the time and go and buy a pistol and an AK47. I would be interested in how this guy came to own such an arsenal.

How many guns? So if someone owns just one AK47 there's a bigger barrier? Oh no, there's not, you're just full of shit as usual.

Sounds like you've drank all the liberal nazi BS and are asking for seconds. Contrary to your BS, most gun owners are not crazy psychos. Had every person been armed, this psycho would have been shot before he could do the damage he did.

According to these morons most of America should be dead already since there's million of guns owned by millions of Americans.

 

[BoomerD]

The news station finally posted the video of the nephew:

http://www.kcra.com/video/29414506/detail.html

 

[irishScott]

According to these morons most of America should be dead already since there's million of guns owned by millions of Americans.

270 million privately owned guns as of 2009 according to the FBI, and counting. Hell Ruger's put forth their "sell a million guns in 2011" goal and is currently doing a good job of meeting it.

 

[xj0hnx]

270 million privately owned guns as of 2009 according to the FBI, and counting. Hell Ruger's put forth their "sell a million guns in 2011" goal and is currently doing a good job of meeting it.

I'd hazard a guess that figure probably doesn't include all the unknown, illegally owned guns either. Surely when I peek out the window the streets will be flooded with blood?

 

[highland145]

270 million privately owned guns as of 2009 according to the FBI, and counting. Hell Ruger's put forth their "sell a million guns in 2011" goal and is currently doing a good job of meeting it.

That's it? Agree with John. Less than half of mine were purchased via a shop.