Shooting going on at LAX

[Fenixgoon]

Right, because if you ban the assault weapon, these people's desire to commit mass murder will go away.

you could easily commit the same crime with any other firearm.

i was recently at an event with a large amount of people gathered in a closely-spaced area. noticing this, i wondered about the sheer panic that would have been induced had i simply shouted "bomb!"

point being? crazy people do crazy things. at some point, we need to accept the fact that there are statistical outliers for which we can never account. to say that "this should NEVER happen again" (and i mean never in the most literal of senses) is one of the worst things we can do for preservation of individual rights.

 

[Jaskalas]

point being? crazy people do crazy things. at some point, we need to accept the fact that there are statistical outliers for which we can never account. to say that "this should NEVER happen again" (and i mean never in the most literal of senses) is one of the worst things we can do for preservation of individual rights.

Canofworms seems fairly convinced that this is no statistical outlier, but is instead a white male conspiracy.

 

[schneiderguy]

As opposed to your post? Which is the equivalent of nanna nanna boo boo, i'm right and you're wrong now go away?

His post is factually incorrect and doesn't merit a response. If he really wants to educate himself, he can do read any of the past thousands of threads we've had on salt weapons. It's exactly the same as arguing with a religious person at this point.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I'm really not surprised that this happened due to all the hate and vitriol that been directed at the TSA and the agents for doing the job they've been required to do.

 

[Orignal Earl]

The "white male community" shot this guy, stopped him, and will convict him of his crimes. "We" will send him to a dark hole never to be seen again. I would put a bullet between his eyes and call it a day.

He is condemned to the greatest extent possible, by his peers. "We" police our own. If you wanted to compare that to Islam you failed miserably.

No, your not doing the comparison right.
We both know that Muslim's would arrest this guy and prosecute him to the full extent of the law too
But you and I aren't going to say that this happened because the guy was white and white guys believe in shooting up airports.
Just like Muslims shouldn't have to apologize for terrorists

 

[Jaskalas]

No, your not doing the comparison right.
We both know that Muslim's would arrest this guy and prosecute him to the full extent of the law too
But you and I aren't going to say that this happened because the guy was white and white guys believe in shooting up airports.
Just like Muslims shouldn't have to apologize for terrorists

If this shooter claimed to be a member of an organization, I'd demand they condemn his actions too.

 

[Orignal Earl]

If this shooter claimed to be a member of an organization, I'd demand they condemn his actions too.

Yes, just like all the Muslims who condemn their terrorists who claim their actions on behalf of Islam

 

[PG]

Just watched an eyewitness video and the guy said the shooter had a pump shotgun, not assault rifle. He also was dressed in all blue like he was TSA, not camo like other stories had said. Very intersting. Oh, and he had another gun, I think he said handgun.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/tsa-agent-killed-lax-shooting-suspect-custody/story?id=20754881

It was the first video that popped up. Guy with sunglasses and Cowboys hat was the eyewitness who said this. They have multiple videos rotating so I'm not sure which one will pop up first for everyone.


Another report says shotgun also:

http://www.kosherpress.com/eyewitness-in-lax-shooter-passed-security-armed-with-shotgun/

 

[Londo_Jowo]

It was not a shotgun, looks like a AR-15.

 

[PG]

Great pic, thanks for sharing. So much for the credibility of eyewitnesses.

 

[Jaskalas]

Great pic, thanks for sharing. So much for the credibility of eyewitnesses.

When you can take 10 people, have them experience the same event, and get 10 different stories with varied details, you'll learn to appreciate how the brain records data. It doesn't pick up everything, and what it misses it tries to fill in.

Basically, witnesses just make shit up. Not even their fault, just human biology. Officers try to filter through multiple witnesses to find the truth. Not an easy task.

 

[88keys]

When you can take 10 people, have them experience the same event, and get 10 different stories with varied details, you'll learn to appreciate how the brain records data. It doesn't pick up everything, and what it misses it tries to fill in.

Basically, witnesses just make shit up. Not even their fault, just human biology. Officers try to filter through multiple witnesses to find the truth. Not an easy task.

Sometimes I think some people make shit up intentionally just to get on TV.

 

[JulesMaximus]

It was not a shotgun, looks like a AR-15.

Looks more like a mini-14 than an AR15.

 

[JulesMaximus]

His post is factually incorrect and doesn't merit a response. If he really wants to educate himself, he can do read any of the past thousands of threads we've had on salt weapons. It's exactly the same as arguing with a religious person at this point.

His post was his opinion. It is no more or less factually correct than yours.

 

[allisolm]

Yesterday I could't even say how may times I heard the commentators say that the shooter had been hit several times in the chest - center mass. Today I read that he was shot in the head (mouth?) and leg. At least he was alive enough to be charged with murder today.

 

[Matt1970]

you could easily commit the same crime with any other firearm.

But we want to ban the big scary looking ones that go boom really fast. Trouble is you take away what they think are efficient killing machines and they have to start looking at other alternatives. Some of those other alternatives are much more effective close range killing machines.

 

[SparkyJJO]

When will people get tired of this?
Assault weapons exist for one reason and one reason only.
To kill people.
They are not sport. Not collectables. Not game hunting devices.
They simply provide the ability to kill people in quantity.

So here we go again...
What will they find out about the shooter?
His troubled past.
Any indicators.
The interviewing of his neighbors, coworkers, friends, family, dog, cat, high school teachers.

Frankly I don't give a rats ass as to who he was, why or what provoked him.
He is like the leaves on a tree. Too many to number.
With access to mass killing curtesy the NRA.

404 assault weapon not found.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Yesterday I could't even say how may times I heard the commentators say that the shooter had been hit several times in the chest - center mass. Today I read that he was shot in the head (mouth?) and leg. At least he was alive enough to be charged with murder today.

FWIW:

“They hit him multiple times before he went down,” one law enforcement source said. A witness said the gunman was wearing a bulletproof vest.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/...rounds-20131102,0,1516468.story#axzz2jVizFz8q

 

[allisolm]

FWIW:

“They hit him multiple times before he went down,” one law enforcement source said. A witness said the gunman was wearing a bulletproof vest.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/...rounds-20131102,0,1516468.story#axzz2jVizFz8q

edit: Now CNN says no vest.

Thanks.That makes more sense. The "center mass" commentators never mentioned a vest or even the possibility of one. I had just chalked it up to more witness error.

Not that it matters since he could have accomplished the same thing with a handgun, but the reports I'm reading now say his weapon was a Smith & Wesson .223-caliber assault rifle.

 

[PG]

Picture of shooter: http://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/shooter.jpg

WARNING: VERY GRAPHIC !! LOTS OF BLOOD

 

[shortylickens]

weird, by the time the medic got to him the blood shouldnt be neon red like that.

 

[shortylickens]

404 assault weapon not found.

No one cares about the "official" definition of an assault weapon. It doesn't matter. Most soldiers carry the A2 or A4 which are semi-auto anyway.

When people on the street can buy pretty much the exact same thing as our men overseas are using, they have assault weapons, thats the point he's making

And there is no legal definition of an assault weapon anyways. The army doesn't actually get to dictate terms like that. What they've been calling their guns for a while is Assault Weapons because they wanted to distinguish them from Battle Rifles, which were a way to distinguish them from the old black powder muzzle loaders in use before them.

As an avid shooter and strong supporter of citizens right to own guns I dont give a shit what they're called so long as its not outright wrong. Clips vs. magazines bothers me cuz they really are different things.

As does mixing up semi-auto and full auto, also all the morons who think lasers are for sniper use.
Plenty of things the mainstream media screws up regularly.

 

[Venix]

His post was his opinion. It is no more or less factually correct than yours.

No, his post is factually incorrect. He made several demonstrably false statements, with the most absurd being, "Assault weapons exist for one reason and one reason only. To kill people. They are not sport. Not collectables. Not game hunting devices."

Modern sporting rifles like the AR-15 are the most popular rifles in America. They're routinely used for sport shooting, home defense, and small game hunting. Practically every farmer/rancher has a Mini-14 or similar for pest control.

Despite their immense popularity, these rifles are rarely used in crime; even punches and kicks are responsible for considerably more murders than "assault weapons." They are similarly underrepresented in mass shootings, where pistols and shotguns are used more often and more effectively.

Also remember that an "assault weapon" is simply any semi-automatic firearm with certain scary-looking features that are unrelated to its lethality. In California, a "hunting rifle" becomes an "assault weapon" simply by the addition of a bayonet lug or flash suppressor. The "assault weapon" classification is completely useless for making any kind of general statement.

But you probably already knew this because you're not an ignorant buffoon like the guy who made the statements.

 

[db]

The alleged 23 y/o shooter, Paul Ciancia, appears to be involved with or sympathetic to the anti-government "Patriot" and militia movement.

He was carrying a one-page "manifesto" that referred to the New World Order, the Federal Reserve and "fiat currency".

This far-right extremist movement has grown from approx 149 groups in 2008 to 1,360 in 2012.

 

[IronWing]

Also remember that an "assault weapon" is simply any semi-automatic firearm with certain scary-looking features that are unrelated to its lethality. In California, a "hunting rifle" becomes an "assault weapon" simply by the addition of a bayonet lug or flash suppressor.

I'm kind of with them on that one. Anyway, enjoy your thread.