Shooting at a high school near Bakersfield California

chucky2

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Why oh why do I in IL or you in TX need to hear about a shooting in CA? Way to go Media, sensationalize it more...
 

3chordcharlie

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Yeah, really. Stop other than local publicizing these things so these F'ing idiots stop copycating each other.
What exactly does local mean?

But they don't have to, they choose to.
No business has to provide what customers want. How do you figure that usually works out? About the only thing rarely reported is solo-suicides.
Mass enough for those that lost loved ones
actually this was your best argument for not reporting, and you're rejecting it.
 

momeNt

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Trying to control the number of firearms in circulation in the USA is impossible on either a state or federal level, what has to be done is gun confiscation. We can't be trusted with our rights anymore and the greater good must prevail.

We probably have good enough information that the USA can be divided into sectors with fliers air-dropped with the directions to the nearest gun collection location and a deadline. Once the deadline hits the guns and ammunition can be tabulated, sectors that have the lowest turnup of expected guns collected then can have door to door confiscations.

For the most part this will be fairly orderly and few people will object. The stragglers that will need their guns forcibly confiscated are either criminals or criminally insane schizophrenics for feeling the need to have a gun so badly that they must fight for it.
 
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Texashiker

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Trying to control the number of firearms in circulation in the USA is impossible on either a state or federal level, what has to be done is gun confiscation.

Uh,, yea,,, ok,,,.

It will be just a matter of time before law enforcement faces an armed militia.

Do you remember what happened at Waco? Several members of the FBI/BATF were killed.
 

momeNt

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Uh,, yea,,, ok,,,.

It will be just a matter of time before law enforcement faces an armed militia.

Do you remember what happened at Waco? The FBI/BATF got themselves killed.

Waco will never happen again. The USA will always be more prepared and come in with more men and more firepower than anything criminals will be able to field.

If they want to die in a fire whilst under siege, fine, they weren't following the rule of law anyways and good riddance.
 

chucky2

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What exactly does local mean?

It means when some small CT community has a wacko shoot 20 people, the people in that county/the counties bordering that county would probably like to know about it. Yes, you run the risk of it fostering another wacko in those counties, but that's a whole lot less than the entire nation. That's what I mean by keep it local.

No business has to provide what customers want. How do you figure that usually works out? About the only thing rarely reported is solo-suicides.

Every business needs to provide at least in some measure what their potential customers want. Sex sells. But we don't see softcore and hardcore porn on every channel 24/7, even though there'd be a market for it. The people controlling the programming realize there's a place for that stuff and put it there. I'm simply saying that it'd be nice if The Media could refrain itself and simply do the right thing, and not publicize this stuff on a national scale.

actually this was your best argument for not reporting, and you're rejecting it.

I don't think you understand what I'm saying...
 

Texashiker

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Waco will never happen again. The USA will always be more prepared and come in with more men and more firepower than anything criminals will be able to field.


Door to door gun confiscation is prohibited by due process. The Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments each contain a due process clause.

If the government takes your property, they have to reimburse you fair market value.
 
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michal1980

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Trying to control the number of firearms in circulation in the USA is impossible on either a state or federal level, what has to be done is gun confiscation. We can't be trusted with our rights anymore and the greater good must prevail.

We probably have good enough information that the USA can be divided into sectors with fliers air-dropped with the directions to the nearest gun collection location and a deadline. Once the deadline hits the guns and ammunition can be tabulated, sectors that have the lowest turnup of expected guns collected then can have door to door confiscations.

For the most part this will be fairly orderly and few people will object. The stragglers that will need their guns forcibly confiscated are either criminals or criminally insane schizophrenics for feeling the need to have a gun so badly that they must fight for it.


what other rights of ours do you just want to throw out because you dont like them?
 

momeNt

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what other rights of ours do you just want to throw out because you dont like them?

Anything that harms the greater good. Democracy is all about the greater good, it's about time we start realizing that and stop being selfish about rights and property.
 

momeNt

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Door to door gun confiscation is prohibited by due process. The Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments each contain a due process clause.

If the government takes your property, they have to reimbursement you fair market value.

Shouldn't be too hard when we print our own money, it's basically a stimulus package.
 

3chordcharlie

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It means when some small CT community has a wacko shoot 20 people, the people in that county/the counties bordering that county would probably like to know about it. Yes, you run the risk of it fostering another wacko in those counties, but that's a whole lot less than the entire nation. That's what I mean by keep it local.







Every business needs to provide at least in some measure what their potential customers want. Sex sells. But we don't see softcore and hardcore porn on every channel 24/7, even though there'd be a market for it. The people controlling the programming realize there's a place for that stuff and put it there. I'm simply saying that it'd be nice if The Media could refrain itself and simply do the right thing, and not publicize this stuff on a national scale.







I don't think you understand what I'm saying...

Do you reject all of the constitution or only some of it?

One problem is that your argument could be applied to many reporting situations.

I believe China spends quite a bit of effort deciding what citizens don't need to know.
 

Texashiker

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Anything that harms the greater good. Democracy is all about the greater good, it's about time we start realizing that and stop being selfish about rights and property.

This is a Republic, not a democracy.

And define "greater good".

Free trade is not for the greater good.

Religion is not for the greater good.

Tobacco is not for the greater good.


Shouldn't be too hard when we print our own money, it's basically a stimulus package.

I do not want to sell my property to the government for any price.

A few thousand court challenges on the value of the firearms will drag the federal courts to its knees.
 
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momeNt

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This is a Republic, not a democracy.

And define "greater good".

Free trade is not for the greater good.

Religion is not for the greater good.

Tobacco is not for the greater good.

Greater good is what we decide as a democracy! duh.

We don't have free trade.

We still protect religion, although that is quickly falling to the wayside with things like Obamacare and contraceptive coverage.

Tobacco has been taxed into oblivion and there is tons of legislature regulating its use.
 

chucky2

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Do you reject all of the constitution or only some of it?

One problem is that your argument could be applied to many reporting situations.

I believe China spends quite a bit of effort deciding what citizens don't need to know.

I didn't say they should be mandated by the Fed/State govs to do such a thing. I'd rather take the view that the heads of these organizations would get together at the once a year 'We're rich as F and we know it' meeting, and agree that they will set policy that these mass shooting events will only be reported in local markets.

Seriously: Did all of the US need to learn that there was a mass shooting in CT? Exactly what as an IL resident did I need to know about something that happened in CT? Nothing, that's what. It doesn't cocern me, it doesn't affect me. I'd much rather not know, then have it plastered everywhere with The Media whipping it up into their next biggest 'we have to expend so little effort to get these ratings we just can't stop ourselves' story, then have someone from <x> see it and go, 'Yeeesssss....this is how I will go out too! Do you love me now Mommy??!?!?'.

Chuck