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She's red, she's fast, she's a 2004 TL, she's got PICS

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Originally posted by: Triumph
Originally posted by: Ornery
The new 6-speed manual features a short throw shift linkage, large diameter shift cables and multi-cone synchronizers for optimum shift feel. Shift by cable? 😕
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Yes, because the engine is mounted transversely. They have to do some convoluted things because everything isn't all nice and inline as with a transverse layout.
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The drive by wire throttle is pretty interesting. It has a good feel but not something I'm used to.

Shift linkage is done the tried and true way - dual linkage arms. The throttle however is electronic.

 
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: Triumph
Originally posted by: Ornery
The new 6-speed manual features a short throw shift linkage, large diameter shift cables and multi-cone synchronizers for optimum shift feel. Shift by cable? 😕
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Yes, because the engine is mounted transversely. They have to do some convoluted things because everything isn't all nice and inline as with a transverse layout.
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The drive by wire throttle is pretty interesting. It has a good feel but not something I'm used to.

Shift linkage is done the tried and true way - dual linkage arms. The throttle however is electronic.
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Ornery's text says it has a cable shift linkage... Who is talking about the throttle?
 
Originally posted by: Descartes
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
The TL is one of the best values on the road today, no doubt. Just don't think you can keep up with a BMW through the twisties (assuming the BMW driver knows how to handle his/her machine).
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How many Bimmer owners even care about the twisties anymore? I don't understand this FWD/RWD debate, because I'd guess 90% of BMW and future TL owners aren't taking their car to Willow Springs.
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In all fairness, the difference between FWD and a sweet-handling RWD car like a BMW is not JUST apparent on a racetrack. It is apparent essentially everytime the car turns, in pretty nearly any situation. There is a reason Mercedes, BMW, Porsche, Ferrari, Lambo, Aston Martin, etc. don't make FWD cars, notwithstanding the fact that they are clearly more foolproof in inclement conditions than RWD.
 
"Shift linkage is done the tried and true way - dual linkage arms."

Tried and true is having the shifter bolted right to the tranny. I'm surprised they can't do it with long rods or shafts, and levers bolted to the firewall or something like that.
 
Oh, sweet, I'm so jealous! The TL is such a great value. I could only spring for the Accord, being a young professional. Never mind the FWD... just grip the wheel tight and put the pedal to the metal!
 
Originally posted by: Ornery
"Shift linkage is done the tried and true way - dual linkage arms."

Tried and true is having the shifter bolted right to the tranny. I'm surprised they can't do it with long rods or shafts, and levers bolted to the firewall or something like that.
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I think they are more "rod/shaft" than "cable" as you might think of as cable...at least they are in earlier accords. Why would the tranny be mounted right under the shifter in a fwd car? 😛
 
Originally posted by: werk
Originally posted by: spidey07

Can anybody comment on the headlights and folks flashing their brights?
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People used to always flash their brights at me in my CL, I think it's just the nature of their HIDs.
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I've never been blinded or even annoyed by TL lights. BMW lights yes.
 
"Why would the tranny be mounted right under the shifter in a fwd car?"

I know the shifter has to be remote mounted, I'm just saying the "tried and true" method of shifting, is linking as directly to the tranny as possible... by bolting right to it.

My friend always bitched about his VW Beetle (1974 or so) having worn linkage to the gearbox. I would think they'd be using something more solid than cable in a "performance car" today, FWD or not.
 
Originally posted by: Ornery
"Why would the tranny be mounted right under the shifter in a fwd car?"

I know the shifter has to be remote mounted, I'm just saying the "tried and true" method of shifting, is linking as directly to the tranny as possible... by bolting right to it.

My friend always bitched about his VW Beetle (1974 or so) having worn linkage to the gearbox. I would think they'd be using something more solid than cable in a "performance car" today, FWD or not.
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Usually with these FWD 'performance cars' they use autos don't they? 😕
 
Usually with these FWD 'performance cars' they use autos don't they?"

Apparantly they sell them both ways, and of course, you can't be a boy racer with an auto!
 
holy crap is this thing fast. Was on the interstate and just decided to actually see what full throttle can do. Even at 80-100 it buries you.

It's WAY too easy to go fast in this thing.
 
Originally posted by: Ornery
"Why would the tranny be mounted right under the shifter in a fwd car?"

I know the shifter has to be remote mounted, I'm just saying the "tried and true" method of shifting, is linking as directly to the tranny as possible... by bolting right to it.

My friend always bitched about his VW Beetle (1974 or so) having worn linkage to the gearbox. I would think they'd be using something more solid than cable in a "performance car" today, FWD or not.
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The cable linkage is better at suppressing vibration and noise from coming through the shift lever. Not sure when it would be necessary, but you can also hide and contour the cables better through the undercarriage, rather then needing a direct path from shifter -> transmission.

A rod linkage is obviously more durable and better feeling when rowing through the gears (the vibration doesn't bother me in my car).

edit: where's the pics, spidey?!
 
congrats on the fricken TL man!!! we love that car. awesome luxury and power. i dont understand the RWD/FWD debate. it depends on the driver and use if anything. for a car like the TL, id say FWD is suitable, i mean, its an awesome family car, not an all out sports car. definately more pratical in the snow or when its raining. reason why i say so is, my brother is a hardcore snowboarder. everytime he needs to go snowboarding, he has to take my dad's camry so he can drive through the mountains that were snowed on. cant do with his RWD car. perhaps a lancer evo would have been a better choice.
 
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: LongCoolMother

perhaps a lancer evo would have been a better choice.
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<--- tries to picture spidey in a boy-racer car.



hmmm...nope...not working.
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evo would be a good choice for sports car and somebody who needs to drive mountains in winter.

Shamefully I figured if I'm entering the dating scene again I might as well drive something that fits me.
Professional, can fit a baby seat if needed and oh btw its faster than snot.

And that is the main reason why I avoided a boy-racer car. Not only that but I gotta fit groceries somewhere.
😀
 
Originally posted by: DurocShark
Originally posted by: ElFenix
whoa whoa whoa... a honda engine with torque?
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Yeah! WTF? No more "My lug nuts require more torque than your Honda's engine makes" jokes? 🙁

😛
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I don't know what honda did to this motor but it really does "feel" very torquey in the low/mid-low rpms.
 
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: LongCoolMother

perhaps a lancer evo would have been a better choice.
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<--- tries to picture spidey in a boy-racer car.



hmmm...nope...not working.
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evo would be a good choice for sports car and somebody who needs to drive mountains in winter.

Shamefully I figured if I'm entering the dating scene again I might as well drive something that fits me.
Professional, can fit a baby seat if needed and oh btw its faster than snot.

And that is the main reason why I avoided a boy-racer car. Not only that but I gotta fit groceries somewhere.
😀
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oops. i meant to say my brother should have picked up a lancer instead. not you. haha, i rather like the TL, its awesome. i wouldnt take a lancer evo over that (im hooked on that TL luxury, blue lighting with black leather and aluminum finish, ahhhh). im just saying a lancer evo might have been more suitable for my brother, who likes to go snowboarding, and whose s2000 cant handle the snow.
 
My aunt put a down payment on a 04 TL too, I'm waiting for her to bring it down so I can take a test drive in it. She's also selling me her old Legend too for dirt cheap 🙂
 
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