Sheryl Crow: No War! (unless it is a Clinton War)

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: gump47371

Then if you are sop confident why does it bother you that others disagree? Don't you believe the cause is just and that it can stand up to the Scrutiny of these Anti War Protestors, especially those who spout ignorance? Also do you understand the difference between the Balkans and Iraq?

I support others right to protest but at the same time I reserve the right to poke fun at them for their ludicrous and/or hypocritical statements. And I expect them to treat me the same way. Healthy debate can not live otherwise.

That said, no, the Balkans and Iraq are not exactly the same. However, any action in Iraq is just and righteous IMO when you consider that it will be a continuation of the Gulf War that was in response to Iraq invading and occupying Kuwait. When the U.S. led coalition forces removed Iraq from Kuwait and forced an Iraqi surrender there were conditions of that surrender for Saddam to stay in power. He has not lived up to those conditions and we have suffered him far too long.

 

[Red Dawn]

That said, no, the Balkans and Iraq are not exactly the same.

It's really not even close to being the same IMO.

So how can you say the Sheryl Crow is a Hypocrit for supporting the action in the Balkans and not supporting the action in Iraq? And even if she doesn't support the Invasion of Iraq I bet she does support our troops and will do Concerts for them..if she is allowed.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

That said, no, the Balkans and Iraq are not exactly the same.

It's really not even close to being the same IMO.

So how can you say the Sheryl Crow is a Hypocrit for supporting the action in the Balkans and not supporting the action in Iraq? And even if she doesn't support the Invasion of Iraq I bet she does support our troops and will do Concerts for them..if she is allowed.

Well, for one thing, she has come out and flatly said "No War" and "War Never Solves Anything" as well as the equally ludicrous, "The best way to avoid war is not to have any enemies." So, how does that jive with her stance on Bosnia? Another point is where were her protests, and the protests of her ilk, during all of Clinton's other actions? When Clinton was calling for the ouster of Saddam in '98? When Bush I was securing the freedom of Kuwait?

You may not think she is a hypocrite and that is your rightful opinion. But, I do and I think her current stance is entirely driven on the fact that there is someone in the White House that didn't run under the Democrat ticket.

 

[Piano Man]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

That said, no, the Balkans and Iraq are not exactly the same.

It's really not even close to being the same IMO.

So how can you say the Sheryl Crow is a Hypocrit for supporting the action in the Balkans and not supporting the action in Iraq? And even if she doesn't support the Invasion of Iraq I bet she does support our troops and will do Concerts for them..if she is allowed.

That's what I was thinking.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

That said, no, the Balkans and Iraq are not exactly the same.

It's really not even close to being the same IMO.

So how can you say the Sheryl Crow is a Hypocrit for supporting the action in the Balkans and not supporting the action in Iraq? And even if she doesn't support the Invasion of Iraq I bet she does support our troops and will do Concerts for them..if she is allowed.

Well, for one thing, she has come out and flatly said "No War" and "War Never Solves Anything" as well as the equally ludicrous, "The best way to avoid war is not to have any enemies." So, how does that jive with her stance on Bosnia? Another point is where were her protests, and the protests of her ilk, during all of Clinton's other actions? When Clinton was calling for the ouster of Saddam in '98? When Bush I was securing the freedom of Kuwait?

You may not think she is a hypocrite and that is your rightful opinion. But, I do and I think her current stance is entirely driven on the fact that there is someone in the White House that didn't run under the Democrat ticket.

Whoah Partisan Politics, a game both parties play with equal zeal. If that's the case then many are Hypocrites in one form or another, just pick your cause.

Queasy I know that you are smarter than that. I also know that you completely understand that when you post threads like this you are looking to exploit the emotions of those who aren't as intellectually capable as yourself because hitting at the emotional level is much simpler than querrying this issue at the Intellectual level.

 

[UltraQuiet]

Queasy I know that you are smarter than that. I also know that you completely understand that when you post threads like this you are looking to exploit the emotions of those who aren't as intellectually capable as yourself because hitting at the emotional level is much simpler than querrying this issue at the Intellectual level.

Moonie, is that you?

 

[J Heartless Slick]

Originally posted by: feralkid

Originally posted by: bozo1
As if anyone cares what those actors think.

I hate it when people have opinions.

Apparently, some people on this forum hate it when people have opinions that disagrees with theirs.

 

[LH]

My beef with actors and such is. Their views are no more important than yours or mine, but they can have theirs plastered all over TV. IMHO most of the hollywood types(dems and repubs alike) are less educated on politics than the unwashed masses, there are a few exceptions, but most have no clue about anything and just spout nonsense.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: DaveSohmer

Queasy I know that you are smarter than that. I also know that you completely understand that when you post threads like this you are looking to exploit the emotions of those who aren't as intellectually capable as yourself because hitting at the emotional level is much simpler than querrying this issue at the Intellectual level.

Moonie, is that you?

I hate you!!! j/k 🙂

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: LH
My beef with actors and such is. Their views are no more important than yours or mine, but they can have theirs plastered all over TV. IMHO most of the hollywood types(dems and repubs alike) are less educated on politics than the unwashed masses, there are a few exceptions, but most have no clue about anything and just spout nonsense.

I don't know about that. America's unwashed masses, especially the younger ones, aren't all that educated with regards to Global Politics.

What I do see many Hollywood Celebrites doing is jumping on Bandwagons, especially liberal Bandwagons not unlike some of the simpleminded folks who have a tendency to jump on the Ultra Conservative Bandwagon. That's not to say that either side is mostly comprised of idiots, in fact most of them aren't. It just seems that it's the idiots on either side who get the most press, especially the Liberal Idiots in the Form of Hollywood Celebrities.

However I don't consider Sheryl Crow to be one of them

 

[phantom309]

ROFL. Funny how mouthpieces for the left are now labled correctly, as ACTORS.

Pathetic, isn't it? Now think back about 23 years - and imagine how the world laughed at us when we elected an actor for our President.

 

[Wildcats]

They should add a few more questions to the poll:

Question:

1. Do you support invading Iraq so that we can continue to be hostage to the oil producing countries in the Middle East?

2. Will you sacrifice your son or daughter so that you can pay lower gasoline prices for your SUV?

3. Will you support killing many Iraqi and American citizens to obtain cheap oil, even if it does nothing to reduce the terrorist threat?

4. Will you support Saudi Arabia and its government's suppression of its people in order to ensure that oil prices are kept low?

5. Will you support invading Iraq to obtain the cheap oil, even if it means that oil and gasoline prices do not change because oil company executives pocket the extra profits?

Originally posted by: gump47371

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: 3L33T32003

Thanks for setting the record straight on this one. Why is it that when Clinton's name is even mentioned, people assume that something negative is being said about him? It was just a simple comparison which showed the hypocrisy of Ms. Crow.

I do not see where she is being a hypocrite. Unless you can show me where she thought Iraq I was a good thing, and now she thinks Iraq II is a bad thing, then you have no basis for comparison. There is a direct relationship between calling her a hypocrite and invoking Clinton, and if you cannot see this you are blind as well.

Look everyone it is 3L33T32003! He's here to lead us blind out of the darkness and into the light! Praise be! Praise be!

There is plenty of basis for comparison. In 98, Clinton threatened war with Iraq after they threw out the inspectors. Did Crow protest then? Doubt it since the majority of the democrats in D.C. supported Clinton and there was nary a peep from the Hollywood crow. And they were all behind Clinton as he went into Bosnia (as was I as it was necessary to prevent genocide).

However, now that a Republican is in the White House who supports the ouster of Saddam just as Clinton did, armageddon is coming.

The hypocrisy is astounding in this situation and frankly, if I am blind, I would not want to be lead around by the blind such as you.

I wonder how many of Blood and Guts Psuedo Patriots would have supported Clinton Invading Iraq back in 98 ? I also wonder how many of you would have said it was a Wag the Dog situation because of "Moan"ica ? I know a lot of Republicans would have because they whined like little bitches when he sent some Cruise Missiles over after Hussien kicked out the Inspectors. Hypocracy knows no party and the Republicans who are sniveling about Crow are just as Hypocritical themselves..in fact more so because they have the nerve to criticize others while they wrap an American Flag around their hypocracy and salute it without even the slightest bit of shame.

Please go here and look at the polls. You will see that anywhere from 55-65% of people polled support war on Iraq. However, I found one question particularly interesting.

"Would you support or oppose a war against Iraq if it were only comprised of bombing the country?"

Support Oppose Not Sure
% % %
2/19-20/03 38 50 12
2/6-8/03 41 48 11
1/24-26/03 31 60 10
9/02 36 52 12

Looks like not very many approve of what your boy did, dropping a few bombs to make yourself look good.

BTW, I, for one, would have supported a campaign that was done RIGHT, not half @ss, like he did do it.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: phantom309

ROFL. Funny how mouthpieces for the left are now labled correctly, as ACTORS.

Pathetic, isn't it? Now think back about 23 years - and imagine how the world laughed at us when we elected an actor for our President.

Who turned out to be one of the America's Greatest or at least most influential Presidents of the last 50 years.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: phantom309

ROFL. Funny how mouthpieces for the left are now labled correctly, as ACTORS.

Pathetic, isn't it? Now think back about 23 years - and imagine how the world laughed at us when we elected an actor for our President.

Who turned out to be one of the America's Greatest or at least most influential Presidents of the last 50 years.

Yep, the Democrats are moaning that they don't have a former president in recent memory with a decent legacy other than just being in charge during an economic boom that they didn't create, they were just smart enough not to tinker with & take credit for work they had nothing to do with.

 

[gump47371]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: phantom309

ROFL. Funny how mouthpieces for the left are now labled correctly, as ACTORS.

Pathetic, isn't it? Now think back about 23 years - and imagine how the world laughed at us when we elected an actor for our President.

Who turned out to be one of the America's Greatest or at least most influential Presidents of the last 50 years.

Yep, the Democrats are moaning that they don't have a former president in recent memory with a decent legacy other than just being in charge during an economic boom that they didn't create, they were just smart enough not to tinker with & take credit for work they had nothing to do with.

True, very true, both of you.

What is sad, though, is that more people will snicker when you say "Monica" or "intern" than will know what the quote, " Mr. Gorbachev, open this gate! Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!" refers to, or even who spoke it.

Red Dawn, I have to disagree with you on one thing though about your earlier post. I don't think most people are idiots about Global, or even Domestic politics, but I think you will agree that most people that I come in contact with about those topics are ignorant, and very uninformed, not because the opportunities aren't out there, but they are more interested in watching Joe Millionaire or Survivor than watching the news for an hour a day.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: gump47371

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: phantom309

ROFL. Funny how mouthpieces for the left are now labled correctly, as ACTORS.

Pathetic, isn't it? Now think back about 23 years - and imagine how the world laughed at us when we elected an actor for our President.

Who turned out to be one of the America's Greatest or at least most influential Presidents of the last 50 years.

Yep, the Democrats are moaning that they don't have a former president in recent memory with a decent legacy other than just being in charge during an economic boom that they didn't create, they were just smart enough not to tinker with & take credit for work they had nothing to do with.

True, very true, both of you.

What is sad, though, is that more people will snicker when you say "Monica" or "intern" than will know what the quote, " Mr. Gorbachev, open this gate! Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!" refers to, or even who spoke it.

Red Dawn, I have to disagree with you on one thing though about your earlier post. I don't think most people are idiots about Global, or even Domestic politics, but I think you will agree that most people that I come in contact with about those topics are ignorant, and very uninformed, not because the opportunities aren't out there, but they are more interested in watching Joe Millionaire or Survivor than watching the news for an hour a day.

OK, most people who post here🙂