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Shelby GT350 -- Drool face

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I don't much care for the look of this gen mustang, but the changes for the Shelby make it look really good. If I had to guess, high 50's, low 60's on price. I don't think they would use the Shelby badge on a 45k-50k car, but I've been wrong plenty of times before.
 
50k ish seems to be the estimate floating around, plus some available options. Makes sense when you look at the rest of the segment & Corvette pricing.
 
Ferzerp said:
I don't much care for the look of this gen mustang, but the changes for the Shelby make it look really good. If I had to guess, high 50's, low 60's on price. I don't think they would use the Shelby badge on a 45k-50k car, but I've been wrong plenty of times before.
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I don't imagine this will be more expensive, or even AS expensive as the last Shelby GT500.
 
DaTT said:
I don't imagine this will be more expensive, or even AS expensive as the last Shelby GT500.
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I've heard this a lot, and at first I agreed. However, I'm not sure I see it the same way anymore. According to a quick google, the starting MSRP on the 2014 GT500 is $55,110 (for the coupe). I know that Ford aimed to keep costs of the GT350 down, but I wouldn't be surprised if it started at right around 55k with a basic interior (which comes standard with recaro seats - which were an option on GT500s).

The only significant cost that the GT500 had that the GT350 lacks is a supercharger. Both long blocks (minus S/C) probably are comparable in price to Ford (with the GT350's FPC taking up a bit more engineering budget). The weight reduction that Ford used to keep the GT350 at or slightly lighter than standard GT despite all the beefed up track focused parts probably accounts for the difference in cost between the engines (i.e. not having a supercharger).

I would expect the GT350 to be priced very similarly to the Stingray (and offer similar performance - maybe even better depending on what the actual output is). MSRP on a Stingray with only the Z51 package and Mag ride is just a hair under $62k. I don't see it happening for under $55k.
 
Wuzup101 said:
The only significant cost that the GT500 had that the GT350 lacks is a supercharger. Both long blocks (minus S/C) probably are comparable in price to Ford (with the GT350's FPC taking up a bit more engineering budget). The weight reduction that Ford used to keep the GT350 at or slightly lighter than standard GT despite all the beefed up track focused parts probably accounts for the difference in cost between the engines (i.e. not having a supercharger).
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Well. To be fair, it was a bit more than that. The 5.8L engine was a $35,000 engine retail (with SC). Obviously it didn't cost Ford quite that much, but still, it was absurdly expensive. I expect there will be a lot of savings in engine cost. The flat crank engine, while harder to design, shouldn't incur a massive cost increase over the Coyote which it is based upon. The valvetrain will be a bit more to support the revs, but nothing like the Trinity engine cost. However, as I understand it, there are far fewer options available, as the base car will have much of what would have been optional on the GT500, so that will increase cost again.

If they saved enough weight, it could be a very interesting vehicle. I am a little confused why they didn't go with an all aluminum body though.
 
Ferzerp said:
Well. To be fair, it was a bit more than that. The 5.8L engine was a $35,000 engine retail (with SC). Obviously it didn't cost Ford quite that much, but still, it was absurdly expensive. I expect there will be a lot of savings in engine cost. The flat crank engine, while harder to design, shouldn't incur a massive cost increase over the Coyote which it is based upon. The valvetrain will be a bit more to support the revs, but nothing like the Trinity engine cost. However, as I understand it, there are far fewer options available, as the base car will have much of what would have been optional on the GT500, so that will increase cost again.

If they saved enough weight, it could be a very interesting vehicle. I am a little confused why they didn't go with an all aluminum body though.
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The Trinity was expensive as a crate engine because they could command that (and it was limited production). Ford didn't want you buying a trinity to swap into your GT (or whatever car). I'm not saying that it was a cheap engine (it wasn't) but the actual cost to Ford longblock to longblock (when you remove the supercharger cost) should be similar to the voodoo (which I would also expect to be a relatively expensive crate engine). Both engines are/were based on pre existing deigns. Both have/had plasma transferred wire arc thermal spray coating on the cylinder walls. I'm assuming the internals on the voodoo will be fully forged and while possibly weaker than the trinity's will also be lighter weight. As far as the supercharger costs - it obviously adds some money, but the cost to Ford isn't more than what you or I would pay to go buy a whipple kit for a coyote (or trinity). $5k for the hardware... probably quite a bit less for Ford.
 
It will go but does it handle? If they are using a mag ride sytem derived from the 302R campaigning in the continental tire racing series there is hope.
 
CropDuster said:
Great looking Stang, but price will be the real kicker. If it's within 10 grand of a C7 I'd forget about it.
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I don't see how it isn't within 10k of a C7 since they start at 55... GT350 sub 45k would be awesome but I don't know that it will happen. If this thing can handle like they're suggesting it does it might even get cross shopped vs M3's and the like. I'm not expecting it to be a real M3 competition but to a buyer looking for the driving experience over the image and interior... Could be an interesting comparison.
 
rommelrommel said:
If this thing can handle like they're suggesting it does it might even get cross shopped vs M3's and the like. I'm not expecting it to be a real M3 competition but to a buyer looking for the driving experience over the image and interior...
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The Mustang GT is the performance parity with M3 trim and has been for 4 years or so..... I would assume Ford set its performance target rather higher than that 😛
 
Ferzerp said:
The Mustang GT is the performance parity with M3 trim and has been for 4 years or so..... I would assume Ford set its performance target rather higher than that 😛
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Uhhh not really sure what your idea of parity is but M3's will usually run a faster lap than the previous gen mustang.
http://www.caranddriver.com/features/lightning-lap-2014-complete-ll-times-2006-to-2014-feature

I think the "parity" idea gets even further stretched when you drive your favorite roads in each back to back. Don't get me wrong I love me some mustang GT but an M3 it's not (yet).
 
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