"She’s a horrible woman". Guess who.

[StageLeft]

Nobody knows why they don't like her. When people do answer, it's things like "power-hungry", "conniving", "back room dealer", "flip flopper" etc. Congratulations, you've just listed four characteristics shared by every House Speaker in the history of the country.

So I'm consistent unless you can find me praising any previous speaker of the house.

Since you use it as such a criticism you know about, why don't you provide us the evidence of how she is power hungry', how it is harmful?

Boomerang's post should cover that.

Oh. A top politician is "conniving". I'm sure glad other top politicians aren't conniving. Not lke those Tom DeLay types, no conniving there.

Your point?

Since you list it as an attack you know, why don't you list the evidence she is a "bitch" and the harm it causes.

See Boomerang's post.

Then why do you post things you don't know that lack specifcis and any even case for subjective?

I'm sorry I didn't give you what you paid for with my post. Give me your paypal and I'll return your ticket cost.

He was wrong. You use him as a good example to justify yourself doing wrong?

Good heavens man, have you never heard of hyperbole? I didn't realize Pelosi was your damned mother who fed you as a babe from her teat and we've been insulting your blood.

Nancy Pelosi is an excellent leader, the best speaker we've had in a long time...You are posting idiocy.

Pot meet kettle. You must realize that Pelosi is reviled by quite literally the majority of America. If that is, by your standards, "an excellent leader", I'd hate to see your definition of a bad one.

What actions has she taken that other Speakers have not which make you think she is a power hungry conniving bitch? Do you hate all Speakers of the House?

Probably, but you need to understand I really do believe most of the politicians in Washington are failing their constituents.

 

[Zargon]

I dislike all politicians that do more than 2 or 3 terms, shes been in the house for 20 years.

get a real fucking job, and let someone who has actually had a real job in the last decade go try and help the country, as they will be far less disconnected.

but then again, thats MOST of congress

and she looks like a partially microwaved ugly barbie doll.

lately its just her spearheading of wanting to do the giant public option thats going to cost trillions of dollars that we dont have

I think she thinks we can just keep printing it


shes never had a real job either

 

[Craig234]

Skoorb, that was mostly a very disappointing post, too much so to respond to, but I'll make one point.

When you say she is a bad speaker because of public ratings, first, realize that ratings do not prove that - we have a heavily propagandized public 25% of whom I estimate are just functional idiots.

Second, compare her ratiings to those of Congress as a whole - for both parties, and see 'it's not her'.

On issue after issue that Congress did badly on, Pelosi was on the other side, often blocked by the Senate. She has gotten a lot of good things passed.

I mentioned an exanple before - the Republicans pushed through a very corrupt Medicare Part D provision not to negotiate drug prices. I expected Democrats to undo that.

The House - under Pelosi's leadership - did pass reversing it. It was blocked by the Senate.

Come on Skoorb. Don't just spew nonsense based on 'you hate all politicians'.

I happen to agree with you that most of Congress is not doing well for their constituents, but look at my disagreement with your infantile 'conniving bitch' nonsense.

 

[StageLeft]

I am not infantile. Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me. I am rubber and you're glue...

 

[werepossum]

I am not infantile. Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me. I am rubber and you're glue...

Hardly. For one thing, glue's way smarter.

 

[marincounty]

The only poll that matters is the one in Congress that makes her speaker, and the one every two years where she is re-elected to Congress. Don't like her, then work to defeat her. Good luck with that. Pelosi was re-elected with 72% of the vote. Cindy Sheehan, the whack job, received 16% which is greater than the 10% that the GOP candidate received.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nancy_Pelosi
Use of government aircraft
In March 2009, the New York Post wrote that the conservative watchdog group Judicial Watch obtained emails sent by Pelosi's staff which requested that the United States Air Force (USAF) provide specific aircraft - a Boeing 757 - for Pelosi to use for taxpayer-funded travel.[48][49][50] Pelosi responded that the policy was initiated by President Bush due to post-9/11 security concerns (Pelosi is second in line for presidential succession) and was initially provided for the previous Speaker, Dennis Hastert. The Sergeant at Arms requested, for security reasons, that the plane provided be capable of non-stop flight, requiring a larger aircraft. The Pentagon said "no one has rendered judgment" that Pelosi's use of aircraft "is excessive."[51]

In mid-July 2008, two days after President George W. Bush stated that Congress was ineffective and said, "This is not a record to be proud of, and I think the American people deserve better",[106] Pelosi responded by calling the president "a total failure, losing all credibility with the American people on the war, on the economy, on energy, you name the subject" and that Congress had been "sweeping up after his mess over and over and over again".[106]

 

[woolfe9999]

I probably agree with Pelosi on policy about 70% of the time, but I'm still not that wild about her. About half of Boomerang's points do have merit.

- wolf

 

[Craig234]

I probably agree with Pelosi on policy about 70% of the time, but I'm still not that wild about her. About half of Boomerang's points do have merit.

- wolf

Is your reason those half of his points? Which?

 

[shiner]

lol @ the ultra left in here defending Pelosi.

No, no...he's a "progressive"

 

[Fear No Evil]

No, no...he's a "progressive"

He gets progressively dumber as his hero Pelosi takes away our freedom, choices, and money?

 

[fskimospy]

Probably, but you need to understand I really do believe most of the politicians in Washington are failing their constituents.

Boomerang's post was pretty thin on real details and he was flat out wrong on a bunch too. (the plane thing as quoted elsewhere). If you dislike her this much you should be able to give some specific examples of what she does that you don't like, and if you want to be rid of her what do you think a replacement would do differently?

Most of the complaining I see relates back to the general complaints about Congress from people who have never before actually looked at how legislation is crafted (and has been crafted for all of American history). They don't like it and since they didn't realize how it worked before they assume it's something new.

 

[Nemesis 1]

I took no part in this election , Thats not to say I don't have a part after . Just lets say everyone is going to get what they rightfully deserve. Who or what that is isn't my place to judge. I will just do as i was meant to . I love Nature. Would be nice to live in America befor Columbus screwed the pooch.

 

[Carmen813]

My opinion of Pelosi has been increasing, not because of her politics, but because of her ability to garner votes to pass legislation that I support.

 

[Carmen813]

My opinion of Pelosi has been increasing, not because of her politics, but because of her ability to garner votes to pass legislation that I support.

 

[Craig234]

My opinion of Pelosi has been increasing, not because of her politics, but because of her ability to garner votes to pass legislation that I support.

Well said. Indeed, why don't you say it twice.

Much of her work is passing tings that are against the corrupt interests - like the rollback of big pharma non-negotiated big pharma drug prices I've been sing as an example.

A lot of hyenas in this dforum say how much they support politicians standing up to that corruption, but attack her when she does.

It seems mysgenistic, like they are happy kids who can use her office to get away with attacking a woman.

 

[woolfe9999]

Is your reason those half of his points? Which?

I'll mention two points in particular.

She lost credibility with me over the waterboarding business. It isn't that she was passive about it in a hearing and later opposed it. I can understand some of the passivity given that it was in wake of 9/11, and her feeling stronger about it later. What bothers me is that there is a lot of information floating around that suggests she knew more than she has admited that she knew, and hence that she has lied about what she knew.

Second, I think her statement about this process being more open and transparent than any other is, at best, puffery. I have been a political junkie for 10 years and have followed most major pieces of legislation as they move through the process. With this process, basically everything that was transparent has always been transparent, and everything that was not transparent has always not been transparent. Except what has happened in conference, where the general rule is that a formal hearing is held that is televised, while the main negotiations happen behind closed doors. Here, there wasn't even a formal hearing, which by the way, was the decision of Pelosi and Reid. So in that one aspect it was less transparent than usual, and in all others it was basically the same. Her statement was a false boast as there is no evidence to support it.

I will say Obama has improved transparency over Bush in some incremental ways, but that isn't saying much as the Bush WH was particularly secretive in its way of doing things. But that is Obama.

Anyway, the bottom line with Pelosi is I don't especially trust her. She is too much the consumate politician, with that painted on, strained smile. Not a plain talker, but a party line talking head, and you always feel with her that everything is hidden under the surface.

She is good at rounding up votes though (better than Reid perhaps). You're right about that.

- wolf

 

[Craig234]

Boomerang's post was pretty thin on real details and he was flat out wrong on a bunch too. (the plane thing as quoted elsewhere). If you dislike her this much you should be able to give some specific examples of what she does that you don't like, and if you want to be rid of her what do you think a replacement would do differently?

Most of the complaining I see relates back to the general complaints about Congress from people who have never before actually looked at how legislation is crafted (and has been crafted for all of American history). They don't like it and since they didn't realize how it worked before they assume it's something new.

Almost as if more transparency is making them more informed, eh?

 

[Carmen813]

Well said. Indeed, why don't you say it twice.

Much of her work is passing tings that are against the corrupt interests - like the rollback of big pharma non-negotiated big pharma drug prices I've been sing as an example.

A lot of hyenas in this dforum say how much they support politicians standing up to that corruption, but attack her when she does.

It seems mysgenistic, like they are happy kids who can use her office to get away with attacking a woman.

My biggest beef with Pelosi is the way she approaches politics, it seems very cut throat. That doesn't really jive with me (I prefer Obama's approach).

However, she gets votes when it matters and she has tackled several major issues in a relatively short span of time. She's had to deal with a a difficult Senate make up as well, but she compromises on areas where she probably should. To that, I give her credit.

 

[ericlp]

I think it's hilarious... That CNN reporter is a majorly tilted to the right. Tho, now he is going to tell how California is taking off millions of kids off medical benefits when NOT ONE FUCKING ASS on the right went with the public option. I just find it funny... that's all... You wanna bring it up now? Why not bring up the horrible right assholes that voted down public health care for the nation.

Oh well... Gotta love politics... as for Nancy... She is doing what any other politician would do. They are all corrupt and need to get fast food restaurant jobs that pay minimum wage with no health care because they are only allowed to work 39 hours.

I think they are all horrible.... From the president on down...

 

[Craig234]

I think it's hilarious... That CNN reporter is a majorly tilted to the right. Tho, now he is going to tell how California is taking off millions of kids off medical benefits when NOT ONE FUCKING ASS on the right went with the public option. I just find it funny... that's all... You wanna bring it up now? Why not bring up the horrible right assholes that voted down public health care for the nation.

Oh well... Gotta love politics... as for Nancy... She is doing what any other politician would do. They are all corrupt and need to get fast food restaurant jobs that pay minimum wage with no health care because they are only allowed to work 39 hours.

I think they are all horrible.... From the president on down...

Not all are. Check the progressive caucus. You seem reasonable, what's your issue with Nancy's actions?

If you want one example for not 'horrible', look at Bernie Sanders.

 

[fskimospy]

Almost as if more transparency is making them more informed, eh?

Well I tend to think the 24 hour news cycle and access to the internet is making people more informed.

 

[Moonbeam]

If Pelosi, Reid, and Obama can get a health care bill that starts the nation toward universal health care they will be three of the greatest politicians who ever lived. Once in place the American people will kill any Republican that tries to take it away. In the mean time billions will be spent to try to turn these three into a 6 and a 6 and a 6.

All the stops are being pulled to stop this legislation from happening. The party of death wants to keep folk who work in fear of losing jobs and health care so they will accept low wages in lieu of death.

 

[Zargon]

My biggest beef with Pelosi is the way she approaches politics, it seems very cut throat. That doesn't really jive with me (I prefer Obama's approach).

obamas approach is one hand outreached to shake yours, and the other with knife behind your back, just like most others....hes just more eloquent, not scary looking, and people drink his koolaid more so they dont notice

 

[Avvocato Effetti]

Pelosi is the advocate of Liberals/Democrats/Heathens and other unsavory individuals.

That, my friends, is horrible.

 

[fskimospy]

Damn, and I had my hopes up that your ban was permanent.