cry me a river...if I had a dime for every time someone called me Habeeb or talked to me in a bad attempt at an Indian accent, I'd be a rich man. But I don't give two sh!ts. People that complain about this should go back to their home countries...people make fun of each other constantly and don't scream racist every time something is caught on camera.
after some further thought, i think im not so much mad at shaq as the bike guys. flaunting their ignorance in public and they get away with it! bleh. i think the ching chong comment isnt entirely racist on its own, but many asians have experienced the same kind of thing to a greater extent in real life so it touches a nerve. i remember it happening to me when i was younger. some idiot. one of my friends tried that stuff on me a little while ago [definately jokingly] but i gave a pretty good shot in the ribs anyways. racism is one of the only things that makes me mad that quick...
I draw the line at Shaq implying that Burger King makes good food. What kind of cruel monster is he?:Q
Double standard on the person who says it too. It was something Borderline by Shaq and it's in the back page of the sports section in the newspaper, yet something that I considered borderline by Trent Lott and it's all over the place. What if Trent Lott had said Ching Chong, etc.. oh man, what chaos that would've caused. :Q
Originally posted by: Carbonyl
Originally posted by: SnapIT
I know, all of us nordics look the same to you...
Uhhh i had my picture floating around here but my parents came to socal in the early 60's from varberg.
But I was saying they look different not the same.
My ex comes from Varberg... beautiful city...
No, what you said was that "Nords at tall and have more chised features"... but i meant it as a joke, so you don't really have to defend yourself...
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Originally posted by: josphII
shaq talks out of his ass a lot, but its only an attempt to be funny or draw attention to himself. shaq is no racist, but i question weather or not this 'reporter' is.
"Yao Ming is our Asian Jackie Robinson"
Jackie Robinson was an African-American who opened the door to the Major League Baseball and helped the Negro League merge with it.
Yao Ming was a Chinaman who opened the door to the National Basketball Association and who might help a nation with a billion plus people merge with it.
I'm not Asian, but what Shaq said was out of line. Maybe they should do a Trent Lott on him and make him step down? I think his promise of physical violence plus his anti-Asian remark was a wee bit worse than Lott's statement. Where is the outcry from the democratic party for him to resign??? Forgot, they might lose some of their 90% market share on African-American votes if they were to say something negative against the Shaq. The perfectly accepted reverse racism displayed today sickens me. I hope Yao puts Shaq on his ass.
Neither is calling a German a nazi...just in very poor taste
Neither is making fun of what the stereotype of what a black person eats, that did not matter in the Fuzzy Zoeller case though did it?
He probably hates you too unless you are cute and wearing a skirt
link Ask and ye shall receive
I think it all depends on where you grew up. If you grew up here as an asian american child in the 70's and early 80's, it probably feels like a racist remark. Growing up with people saying ching chong chang... ahhhh sooo..... making kung fu action movements. Because of that, I think it makes it a racist remark because of past experiences with it.
To Ming and others who grew up elsewhere, I think it feels more like an insult than anything else. I asked an asian who was raised elsewhere if someone said that to you, how would you feel. They responded by saying that they would feel only insulted. Then I asked what if they made slant eyes and then said it. They responded by saying that would be a racist remark.
To Ming and others who grew up elsewhere, I think it feels more like an insult than anything else. I asked an asian who was raised elsewhere if someone said that to you, how would you feel. They responded by saying that they would feel only insulted. Then I asked what if they made slant eyes and then said it. They responded by saying that would be a racist remark.
Yep your correct. Thanks for your insight. Now you can crawl back under the garbage pile again. Dude you have the intelligence of a sheet of toilet paper.
Originally posted by: BDawg
All I know is that Shaq made all of his money in college, and not in Orlando.
LOL, that movie kicks ass! heheh
there was this incident where my gf and i got into an arguement after this lady in ther expedition tried to run us over... her daughter was trying to argue with us while we were waiting for the police.
we were speaking english the entire time (no accent, born and raised here in the states) . when the arguemetn wasnt going her way, she said "maybe you would understand if you spoke english".
lol.
proud liquor store/dry cleaning/gas station/ swap meet owner here!! hahahah
we were speaking english the entire time (no accent, born and raised here in the states) . when the arguemetn wasnt going her way, she said "maybe you would understand if you spoke english".
lol.
proud liquor store/dry cleaning/gas station/ swap meet owner here!! hahahah
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I'm not about to read all 130 or whatever (170?) posts, as I posted my opinion earlier, but has Jim Rome's response/article on Shaq's comment been mentioned in here? I don't want to repost it, but I was sent it in an email earlier this week, and it's very unsupportive of Shaq...let me know if anyone wants to read it.
I think this is it.
1-13-03
Shaquille O?Neal offered up an ?apology? for his remarks made in reference to Yao Ming. He was quoted in a column as saying, ?You tell Yao Ming: ?Ching-chong-yang-wow-ah so?. It was printed in an Asian periodical and since Shaq has received considerable criticism.
On Friday January 10th, when asked about the negative attention surrounding the remarks, Shaq had this to say:
?I said it jokingly, so this guy was just trying to stir something up that's not there. He's just somebody who doesn't have a sense of humor, like I do. I don't have to have a response to that (the charges of racism) because the people who know me know I'm not... I mean, if I was the first one to do it, and the only one to do it, I could see what they're talking about. But if I offended anybody, I apologize.?
You are not a comedian on stage doing a routine, but a basketball player. It was not a very smart thing to say. As was his statement about sleeping with Cindy Crawford and Venus Williams. I guess he?s the class clown, but it?s more ok at 16 than 31. You?re grown, you?re married and most importantly a basketball player. None of the aforementioned should be confused with comedy routine.
George Carlin?comedian. George Mikan?Laker center. See, don?t get them confused. Nobody confuses Garry Shandling with Gary Payton. Why, because one is a comedian and the other isn?t. He is a basketball player. Players make plays, comedians make jokes and both make money from what they do. You make money as a basketball player, so you can leave the jokes to Gallagher and Carrot Top. Except they?re not funny either.
Shaq is a good guy, I stand by that. It wasn?t mean-spritited and I doubt he has any dislike for the Chinese or Asians in general. It was just an immature and miserable attempt at humor. It was racist in nature, for any time you use someone?s ethnicity, heritage or skin color as comedic material, you?re out of bounds.
1-13-03
Shaquille O?Neal offered up an ?apology? for his remarks made in reference to Yao Ming. He was quoted in a column as saying, ?You tell Yao Ming: ?Ching-chong-yang-wow-ah so?. It was printed in an Asian periodical and since Shaq has received considerable criticism.
On Friday January 10th, when asked about the negative attention surrounding the remarks, Shaq had this to say:
?I said it jokingly, so this guy was just trying to stir something up that's not there. He's just somebody who doesn't have a sense of humor, like I do. I don't have to have a response to that (the charges of racism) because the people who know me know I'm not... I mean, if I was the first one to do it, and the only one to do it, I could see what they're talking about. But if I offended anybody, I apologize.?
You are not a comedian on stage doing a routine, but a basketball player. It was not a very smart thing to say. As was his statement about sleeping with Cindy Crawford and Venus Williams. I guess he?s the class clown, but it?s more ok at 16 than 31. You?re grown, you?re married and most importantly a basketball player. None of the aforementioned should be confused with comedy routine.
George Carlin?comedian. George Mikan?Laker center. See, don?t get them confused. Nobody confuses Garry Shandling with Gary Payton. Why, because one is a comedian and the other isn?t. He is a basketball player. Players make plays, comedians make jokes and both make money from what they do. You make money as a basketball player, so you can leave the jokes to Gallagher and Carrot Top. Except they?re not funny either.
Shaq is a good guy, I stand by that. It wasn?t mean-spritited and I doubt he has any dislike for the Chinese or Asians in general. It was just an immature and miserable attempt at humor. It was racist in nature, for any time you use someone?s ethnicity, heritage or skin color as comedic material, you?re out of bounds.
yoda sent it to me..here it is:
'Shaq Didn't Use Good Judgement'
January 10, 2003
By Jim Rome
http://www.jimrome.com/home/article/shaq.html
Shaquille O'Neal has reportedly let loose a controversial, racial remark directed at Yao Ming.
Literally everybody is down with Houston Rockets' rookie, Yao Ming. The 7-5 Ming has made unbelievable progress since the beginning of the season. He can shoot it, pass and finishes strong. He needs to bulk up, but that will come with time. His teammates like him, opposition likes himjust about everybody, except Shaq.
Shaq has been very critical of Ming since the very beginning. But lately it seems, Shaq has turned it up and went too far, getting off a racial blast.
Yao Ming has been getting a lot of pub from the very beginning, is ahead of Shaq in the All-Star voting and Shaq is not pleased. This much we do know. I don't know if this was the catalyst for his most recent remark, but Shaq crossed the line.
According to ESPN.com, 'Asian Week' columnist Erwin Tang alleges that Shaq got off this bomb in an interview, using a mock Chinese accent.
Tell Yao Ming, 'Ching Chong, Yang Wau, Ah So'.
Erwin Tang went on to say, the NBA and the Media are employing a double-standard when it comes to Asians.
"Let's not beat around the bush. If a White player had for instance had made monkey sounds to taunt a Black player, it would have been a national controversy. But Yao is Chinese and Asians are fair game."
And he's exactly right.
If a white player had made monkey sounds to taunt a black player he'd be run out of the game.
And for those who think that Shaq was only 'trying to be funny'uh no. It was a racist and inappropriate thing to do, period.
Do I think that Shaq is a racist and has malice in his heart? No. But going to the 'Ching chong, yang, wah, ah so" blast is not cool. He was trying to be funny and failed miserably. It wasn't funny at all. There's nothing inherently funny about Yao Ming being Chinese.
There is a double-standard. Bonzi Wells calling Danny Ferry a 'beloved patriot' should be just as unacceptable as Ferry calling Wells the equivalent in reverse.
There probably was nothing hateful meant by Shaq, I think he's a good guy. He works in the community, he's charitable, doesn't end up in jail and generally has nothing but positive contributions to society.
But it was a racist statement and unacceptable. He owes Yao Ming an apology.
There's no way around this. If you mock someone for their race, skin color, ethnicity or heritage it's wrong. If you have to, just switch Yao and Shaq in this instance and see what the reaction would be. You can't qualify or make allowances based upon the race of who said it. It's the statement that's unacceptable and shouldn't have anything to do with whose mouth it came out of or to whom it was directed.
There is an obvious double-standard. If you turn this on its ear or look at the flipside, the 'Fortune Cookie' promotion night by the Miami Heat when Yao Ming came to town should be as abominable as a supposed 'Fried Chicken' night because any African-American comes to town.
Shaq wasn't mocking Yao's game, he was mocking his Chinese heritage. Therein lies the difference.
This is a nation that has an ugly history in relation to racism and African-Americans. Intellectually I would say this factors into why there is a double-standard today. But it doesn't legitimize or justify certain types of behavior. It doesn't mean that Shaq is allowed a free pass. It only means that Shaq is in the wrong and owes Yao Ming an apology.
The statement is unacceptable and that has nothing to do with who said it or its intended recipient.
'Shaq Didn't Use Good Judgement'
January 10, 2003
By Jim Rome
http://www.jimrome.com/home/article/shaq.html
Shaquille O'Neal has reportedly let loose a controversial, racial remark directed at Yao Ming.
Literally everybody is down with Houston Rockets' rookie, Yao Ming. The 7-5 Ming has made unbelievable progress since the beginning of the season. He can shoot it, pass and finishes strong. He needs to bulk up, but that will come with time. His teammates like him, opposition likes himjust about everybody, except Shaq.
Shaq has been very critical of Ming since the very beginning. But lately it seems, Shaq has turned it up and went too far, getting off a racial blast.
Yao Ming has been getting a lot of pub from the very beginning, is ahead of Shaq in the All-Star voting and Shaq is not pleased. This much we do know. I don't know if this was the catalyst for his most recent remark, but Shaq crossed the line.
According to ESPN.com, 'Asian Week' columnist Erwin Tang alleges that Shaq got off this bomb in an interview, using a mock Chinese accent.
Tell Yao Ming, 'Ching Chong, Yang Wau, Ah So'.
Erwin Tang went on to say, the NBA and the Media are employing a double-standard when it comes to Asians.
"Let's not beat around the bush. If a White player had for instance had made monkey sounds to taunt a Black player, it would have been a national controversy. But Yao is Chinese and Asians are fair game."
And he's exactly right.
If a white player had made monkey sounds to taunt a black player he'd be run out of the game.
And for those who think that Shaq was only 'trying to be funny'uh no. It was a racist and inappropriate thing to do, period.
Do I think that Shaq is a racist and has malice in his heart? No. But going to the 'Ching chong, yang, wah, ah so" blast is not cool. He was trying to be funny and failed miserably. It wasn't funny at all. There's nothing inherently funny about Yao Ming being Chinese.
There is a double-standard. Bonzi Wells calling Danny Ferry a 'beloved patriot' should be just as unacceptable as Ferry calling Wells the equivalent in reverse.
There probably was nothing hateful meant by Shaq, I think he's a good guy. He works in the community, he's charitable, doesn't end up in jail and generally has nothing but positive contributions to society.
But it was a racist statement and unacceptable. He owes Yao Ming an apology.
There's no way around this. If you mock someone for their race, skin color, ethnicity or heritage it's wrong. If you have to, just switch Yao and Shaq in this instance and see what the reaction would be. You can't qualify or make allowances based upon the race of who said it. It's the statement that's unacceptable and shouldn't have anything to do with whose mouth it came out of or to whom it was directed.
There is an obvious double-standard. If you turn this on its ear or look at the flipside, the 'Fortune Cookie' promotion night by the Miami Heat when Yao Ming came to town should be as abominable as a supposed 'Fried Chicken' night because any African-American comes to town.
Shaq wasn't mocking Yao's game, he was mocking his Chinese heritage. Therein lies the difference.
This is a nation that has an ugly history in relation to racism and African-Americans. Intellectually I would say this factors into why there is a double-standard today. But it doesn't legitimize or justify certain types of behavior. It doesn't mean that Shaq is allowed a free pass. It only means that Shaq is in the wrong and owes Yao Ming an apology.
The statement is unacceptable and that has nothing to do with who said it or its intended recipient.
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