Shanghai now shipping

[tim924]

I hope you do understand that video cards and processors are two different things,while one is excellent,it doesnt necessarily make the other a better choice,so your point is not valid.Yet they are getting billions of "new income" wont have any immediate effects on a new production line that is coming in 2-3 months,you wouldnt really think that with those 6 billions they will do a make-over to their whole Shanghai-Deneb chipset design while they are gonna release them in just a few months,would you?

 

[SlowSpyder]

Originally posted by: tim924
We dont need to imagine,it's almost as certain as a fact that Deneb will post no threat to Core i7 as the past experience of AMD's performance showed us.Imagination and reality are two different things.

I bet you sounded a lot like some Intel execs cira 2003... just change the product names in your above quote.

I'm sure Nehlaem will be faster then Denab. But, I have a feeling Denab will get AMD back into the game. I think there was myself and one other regular poster with Phenom systems not all that long ago, now I see them pretty regular. I'm sure ~$130 Phenom 9950's help with that. But, Denab will be 'fast enough' probably much like the Radeon 4870 is. The Radeon 4870 isn't the fastest single GPU powered card on the market, but it's certainly a success.

AMD will be selling a very successful line of 'fast enough' video cards, CPU's (just guessing/hoping for AMD's sake), and have great chipsets. I think they'll be back in the game, even without the overall performance lead.

 

[bryanW1995]

yes, but amd has the die-size advantage over nvidia, or at least they've been 1/2 step ahead for a while. nvidia still hasn't made/sold any gt200 at 55nm yet, while amd has been at 55nm for a year now. otoh, intel is absolutely killing amd with their process advantage. amd really needs for ibm and company to get to 22nm before intel if they want to turn this around.

 

[Zstream]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995
yes, but amd has the die-size advantage over nvidia, or at least they've been 1/2 step ahead for a while. nvidia still hasn't made/sold any gt200 at 55nm yet, while amd has been at 55nm for a year now. otoh, intel is absolutely killing amd with their process advantage. amd really needs for ibm and company to get to 22nm before intel if they want to turn this around.

AMD's disadvantage has nothing to due with the die size of the CPU. It has to due with the architecture.

AMD made a choice to enter the server cpu market and pretty much dominate. Only reason to choose anything different is if you already had an agreement with HP, Dell, SUN. The choice they made was a good one. Server market is much more lucrative then the retail market. With the L3 cache being moved, speed enhancements, cache size will make this a better cpu then before. AMD is top in regards to the virtualization market already which is getting HUGE.

Unfortunately for AMD they mouthed off about the performance of Barcelona on the retail level. Most retailers give jack about server performance.

Most of the server application hiccups come from the slow l3 cache.

Before you say anything take a look at what Intel is doing. Intel is doing the same thing, moving towards the server market.

 

[taltamir]

Originally posted by: tim924
I hope you do understand that video cards and processors are two different things,while one is excellent,it doesnt necessarily make the other a better choice,so your point is not valid.Yet they are getting billions of "new income" wont have any immediate effects on a new production line that is coming in 2-3 months,you wouldnt really think that with those 6 billions they will do a make-over to their whole Shanghai-Deneb chipset design while they are gonna release them in just a few months,would you?

I hope you understand that a single failure in a long history of success brought on by horrible mismanagement is not an indication of failure of all future products. The mismanager is GONE. Ofcourse having a better GPU does not make their CPU better... but having a successful research program done on a GPU indicates that they have learned proper management lessons and that they will not repeat the same mistakes during their next CPU cycle.

 

[Viditor]

Some notes on the posts so far...

1. Shipping now means availability in a month. The way it works is that the OEMs receive the product (Shanghai) and start building the new servers (takes about a month for the first wave). The servers go up for sale on the day of the official launch.

2. It's good that you mentioned benchies, as I wanted to point something out...
One of the reasons I highlighted that note on the new VM segment in the CPU is that I expect there to be many new types of benches based more on VM use. Remember that for servers with a high number of cores, VM is probably one of the most common uses right now.

3. I hope I have been clear in the past...Nehalem is the first shot in a very long time that Intel has of taking away AMD's Enterprise Server advantages. ZStream hit the nail dead on with his post. However, remember that Nehalem won't be able to do that until the 4+ socket chips come out near the end of next year...

4. The new AMD (post TFC) will be a design-only company. While many can assume they know how it will do, the fact of the matter is that not even the management at AMD knows...

5. While it's true that AMD has in essence nullified the cross-licensing agreement (by selling out to another company), they have not violated the penalty clause. As I have said on many occasions, Intel has no choice but to renegotiate a new cross-licensing agreement because they are as dependent on AMD's licenses as AMD are on Intel's (neither could do any business without the other).

6. Nemesis, I'm sure that the US feels the same way about ARABS getting the tech as they do about CAUCASIANS getting it...

 

[myocardia]

Anyone have any idea why Tom's says AMD just started producing Shanghais on October 1st?

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: myocardia
Anyone have any idea why Tom's says AMD just started producing Shanghais on October 1st?

Because Devin made a mistake in writing the piece...
If you look at his source (under the "begun manufacturing" link), you'll note that what he should have said is:

"AMD is saying the chip is already under production and will be available for sale before the year is out, actually beating expectations for once"
The blurb was dated Oct 1, which means that production was about done on the first wafer outs...

 

[Nemesis 1]

Idon't care .

Ireland certainly had no xenophobia issues giving Intel sweetheart tax breaks to get the fab built there, and they got 5,000 jobs in exchange.

Say thats cool . Why don't we try something a little more recent . Say when the EU can spread its evil .

Did you have to look hard for that link . Here one thats more with the times .

http://www.iht.com/articles/20...2/business/euintel.php



If I was intel I would openly do what the EU says it has done. It would take balls. I would stop doing business in the EU . Flip em off . and tell them to buy AMD processors . Than GO after China in a big way. . If their is a productivity advantage with IC7 it would cost the EU billions in lost productivity compared to the rest of the world . Intel has to do it now . Befor AMD can Ramp up another FAB . AMD couldn't supply both the EU and China AND the rest of the world. It would be a brillant move by Intel . Hell I doubt. intel would lose a dime Every one would be happy except the EU. AMD I not sure how they would like it .. EU for China. AMD would have to short markets thats a fact. I know one thing I wouldn't ship 1 IC7 to the EU. Most Americans would probably support this kind of move. It sure wouldn't hurt intel to give AMD 30% market share. Plus my stock would rise in AMD.

There is one thing the EU must remember . We americans aren't native to this land . Most fled europe for differant reasons way back when . So our ties are anything but strong. Really most American only like the britt anyway and that slipping away .


Isn't that the sure sign of an impending bad deal? Lucky success followed by a dash of arrogance and the day trader is born...quick to part with his $$$? I'm sure you are being a bit less cavalier in reality versus the impression you give here, but I get nervous anytime folks go against their own trading strategy one a whimsy.

Interesting . let me help ya. I posted in here on NV going south on this forum Months befor Shit happened ALOT of months . I advised you guys to short NV. Off course I was flamed . But the post is here . Ya want facts find the post. It happened a bit differant than I was figuring and alot faster . But NV @ 39+ is way over priced way over priced.

I am going to tell ya something about investing the way smart money does it. YA buy into a down market . Ya sell out of a up market . Set your goals and stay with them . I have lost alot also . But ya don't losewhat ya hang on to . Take loses when its to your advantage.to sell . Margin calls can murder ya also. lets say at 3:1. I have done well . But warren buffet I am not . I do well tho . The tech stuff is the easiest once ya get a grasp of whats happening . Leaked NDAs is like inside information if ya think about it . Just takes a bit longer that all . I(f we come out of this thing were in right now . I know my family will do very well in the future if there is one for them . We have done very well we live like we always have no change other than wife buying new cars and the family entertainment room . I also have backed my sons racing for the last 8 years . thats big money also. But I don't go all out . Just whats needed nothing less nothing more. ya don't buy Apple @ 5 with nothing in sight, This was the biggest gamble I every took . Buying AMD to the bottom may very well prove bad . But it won't be that bad . Loses sometimes offset income . Uncle sam loves that stuff. I have been burned On solid good investments . ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN . Find the post I spoke of than kick self in ass for missing the boat. Shorting AMD was a no branner for me . I had a very good dothan setup . Still have it. So when I found out what intel was planning . I jumped all over that . Most $$$ I have ever made . NO I won't tell about the hugh losses and there are some. it hurts to think about it LOL. On the AMD thing Viditor I am sure can remember me saying I shorted it . Viditor what was the bottom I picked $7 . Find the post You guys flamed the hell out me. Still I tried to help ya. AMD below $4 looks great to me Since I already bought above 4 . But this may = the apple move as far as risk. But I am only buying a total of 10,000 shares . Not a big deal. Intel is a sure thing right now but . but less rewarding in the end if things work out.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: Viditor
Some notes on the posts so far...

1. Shipping now means availability in a month. The way it works is that the OEMs receive the product (Shanghai) and start building the new servers (takes about a month for the first wave). The servers go up for sale on the day of the official launch.

2. It's good that you mentioned benchies, as I wanted to point something out...
One of the reasons I highlighted that note on the new VM segment in the CPU is that I expect there to be many new types of benches based more on VM use. Remember that for servers with a high number of cores, VM is probably one of the most common uses right now.

3. I hope I have been clear in the past...Nehalem is the first shot in a very long time that Intel has of taking away AMD's Enterprise Server advantages. ZStream hit the nail dead on with his post. However, remember that Nehalem won't be able to do that until the 4+ socket chips come out near the end of next year...

4. The new AMD (post TFC) will be a design-only company. While many can assume they know how it will do, the fact of the matter is that not even the management at AMD knows...

5. While it's true that AMD has in essence nullified the cross-licensing agreement (by selling out to another company), they have not violated the penalty clause. As I have said on many occasions, Intel has no choice but to renegotiate a new cross-licensing agreement because they are as dependent on AMD's licenses as AMD are on Intel's (neither could do any business without the other).

6. Nemesis, I'm sure that the US feels the same way about ARABS getting the tech as they do about CAUCASIANS getting it...

Hi Viditor I hope things are going well for you and yours.

Your point 3 sounds really good. NOw I know its areach OK. But what if Nehalem 2 socket Is just a little bit slower than AMDS 4 socket . That would favor intel greatly . As far as power consumption and cost of the unit. I see your excited about the VM . I am betting on Intel all the way on that one . Its not penryn. I also believe intels 2s is faster than AmDs 4s. Not long to see. I hope our right but these things are stronger than what you read so far . IF power consumption isn't a concerm for buyers. Tigerton is setting in the 4s space . Ya know who wins here right. But not in VM maybe thats remains to be seen . Ya spin well but Ya have to look at the big picture.

Our point five is 100% spin . Show that in any agreement. Their is a reason AMD doesn't want to show the agreement in full. Same reason Intel wants to show it. Just to bust your Bubble. . No seriously what is it Intel wants us to see . What is it AMD doesn't want us to see. I believe If AMD breaks the agreement intel loses nothing . Ya better reread what we have linked here many times. The penelty clause kicks in .

I really think Intel should Give AMD the EU and pull out . AMD would have to fill the gap which would short them in other markets. Also intel would be saying we ain't paying you thieves a dime. I don't believe Intel would lose a dime by this move . I mean There is China Russia India. Who cares about the Beast . Not only that if Nehalem is more productive than AMD offering . Small if. It would put the eu at a competive disadvantage to the rest of the world . The eu is small place with smaller minds. So the EU would lose billions to the rest of the world . The EU is accussing intel of playing hard ball . I say show them hardball. Not only that Intel doesn't have to sell directly to the EU . Whats the EU going to punish Dell Apple and all the other companies . NO it time for Intel to say screw you clowns. If AMD got the $$$ I would feel differantly But thats not what these clowns are about . Intel damages AMD so will fine them for AMD stick in your pockets. Fact is if I was MS I would do the same . Say were done with you clowns. Use Apple . Can't do that because Intel is inside LOL . The EU are leeches With the banking system problems in the world Intels Fine just got bigger. Intel needs to let AMD have30% market that gets the monkey off their backs and it changes how Intel can operate.

I know I am hard to follow but you lost me right here . I don't get it.

CAUCASIANS

white-skinned: relating to people who are light-skinned or of European origin
- of former ethnic group: belonging to the light-skinned peoples of Europe, northern Africa, and western and southern Asia, formerly considered a distinct ethnic group
- of Caucasia: relating to Caucasia, or its peoples,...

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: Viditor
6. Nemesis, I'm sure that the US feels the same way about ARABS getting the tech as they do about CAUCASIANS getting it...

That was actually the dumbest thing I've ever seen you post here. Care to explain what you mean by it?

 

[Nemesis 1]

Ok Viditor I think I know what happened here . You devil Ya spun me around pretty good.

You werein offtopic and politics and news . I am a little tired I guess . Or I would have picked it up.

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Hi Viditor I hope things are going well for you and yours.

Very well, thanks!

Your point 3 sounds really good. NOw I know its areach OK. But what if Nehalem 2 socket Is just a little bit slower than AMDS 4 socket . That would favor intel greatly . As far as power consumption and cost of the unit. I see your excited about the VM . I am betting on Intel all the way on that one . Its not penryn. I also believe intels 2s is faster than AmDs 4s. Not long to see. I hope our right but these things are stronger than what you read so far . IF power consumption isn't a concerm for buyers. Tigerton is setting in the 4s space . Ya know who wins here right. But not in VM maybe thats remains to be seen . Ya spin well but Ya have to look at the big picture.

You have to define what you mean by "faster" and "slower"...
I'm sure I can't change your beliefs, so we shall disagree.

Our point five is 100% spin . Show that in any agreement. Their is a reason AMD doesn't want to show the agreement in full. Same reason Intel wants to show it. Just to bust your Bubble. . No seriously what is it Intel wants us to see . What is it AMD doesn't want us to see. I believe If AMD breaks the agreement intel loses nothing . Ya better reread what we have linked here many times. The penelty clause kicks in .

If you read the announcement on TFC, you'll note that while the AbuDhabi investors own a majority stake in the company, AMD still retains 50% of the voting rights...this makes it a subsidiary of AMD according to the agreement

"1.22. "Subsidiary" shall mean any corporation, partnership, joint venture,
limited liability or other entity, now or hereafter, in which a
party

(a) owns or controls (either directly or indirectly) or originally
contributed (either directly or indirectly) at least fifty
percent (50%) of the tangible and intangible assets of such
entity; and

(b) owns or controls (either directly or indirectly) either of the
following:

(1) if such entity has voting shares or other securities, at
least fifty percent (50%) of the outstanding shares or
securities entitled to vote for the election of
directors or similar managing authority and such entity
is under no obligation (contractual or otherwise) to
directly or indirectly distribute more than seventy
percent (70%) of its profits to a third party, or

(2) if such entity does not have voting shares or other
securities, at least fifty percent (50%) of the
ownership interest that represents the right to make
decisions for such entity and an interest sufficient to
receive at least thirty percent (30%) of the profits
and/or losses of such entity"

As to who wants to show what, I have only Intel's word for that...not a big game changer for me.

I really think Intel should Give AMD the EU and pull out . AMD would have to fill the gap which would short them in other markets. Also intel would be saying we ain't paying you thieves a dime. I don't believe Intel would lose a dime by this move . I mean There is China Russia India. Who cares about the Beast .
Not only that if Nehalem is more productive than AMD offering . Small if. It would put the eu at a competive disadvantage to the rest of the world . The eu is small place with smaller minds. So the EU would lose billions to the rest of the world . The EU is accussing intel of playing hard ball . I say show them hardball. Not only that Intel doesn't have to sell directly to the EU . Whats the EU going to punish Dell Apple and all the other companies . NO it time for Intel to say screw you clowns. If AMD got the $$$ I would feel differantly But thats not what these clowns are about . Intel damages AMD so will fine them for AMD stick in your pockets. Fact is if I was MS I would do the same . Say were done with you clowns. Use Apple . Can't do that because Intel is inside LOL . The EU are leeches With the banking system problems in the world Intels Fine just got bigger. Intel needs to let AMD have30% market that gets the monkey off their backs and it changes how Intel can operate.

Ummmm...no.
In Q1 of this year, there were 71.1 million PCs shipped worldwide. Of that, 24.8 million were in the EU. While I'm sure AMD would LOVE to get the extra 19 million sales/quarter, I can't see Intel doing that...

I now I am hard to follow but you lost me right here . I don't get it.

CAUCASIANS

white-skinned: relating to people who are light-skinned or of European origin
- of former ethnic group: belonging to the light-skinned peoples of Europe, northern Africa, and western and southern Asia, formerly considered a distinct ethnic group
- of Caucasia: relating to Caucasia, or its peoples,...

You said "I am not so sure the US will approve of ARABS getting this tech"...
I don't know if you actually realise it (or if you intended this), but that was an INCREDIBLY racist comment...I was trying to gently nudge you to correct it...

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: myocardia

Originally posted by: Viditor
6. Nemesis, I'm sure that the US feels the same way about ARABS getting the tech as they do about CAUCASIANS getting it...

That was actually the dumbest thing I've ever seen you post here. Care to explain what you mean by it?

Sigh...nobody gets subtle humour anymore!
Think reverse racism (it was in response to his comment "I am not so sure the US will approve of ARABS getting this tech"... )

 

[taltamir]

you mean it wasn't sarcasm and saying that nobody will care what race will be getting the tech?
Anyways they are not buying the technology, they are buying the rights to the company that SELLS it... aka, they are looking to make money by getting a cut of future CPU sales in the USA and Europe and other countries. Not get access to chip manufacturing technology.

Heck they are funding construction of new plants in europe and the USA, and NOT in their own home country... (they are a rentier government, they are not looking to develop new jobs in their country, they are looking to buy business in other countries, get government income from it, and give parts of it to citizens as "free money" to maintain their power...)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rentier_state

 

[Nemesis 1]

Great reply but could you link that please . As I recall . that 50% is in fact 20% .

As for the EU numbers . Can AMD supply that many chips to the EU and supply other markets . I think not. I think Intel should do exactly what I said . Watches EU do a song and dance and slaps Intels hands. Point is Intel is accused of wrong doing . Intel should say hay your full of shit and just to show you your full of it AMD can have this market were out. EU would really look stupid . I know their not stupid But they are theives.



NOW why would you think that was a racist remark . ARABS are same race as Iam . You do know the Father of the jews Mother of jews Sarah Mother ofarabs sarahs hand maiden an egyptian . Is Also the father of the arabs right . Another thing so were clear . Iraq is not Arabic there Persian . .

I haven't got a racist bone in my body . Idon't like hispanics crossing the border taking jobs and lowering wages for the rest of us . Ya say who would take those jobs . Thats a no brainer . Welfare people . Work or starve. These people need to work. It would improve their lives in many ways. Ya know why our government wants them here. SS. Yep thats the reason more people paying into the system for a band aid quick fix. By the way the hispanics most we see. are indians. I married an Indian Native AMERICAN . My kids are real AMERICANs. LOL. Until recently indians were considered CAUCASIANS. So to hispanics. But for some reason they decided to add more groups I suspect they wanted another minority group. This is the usa right. So why the spanish signs . weres the german russian and all others. How is it our government is allowed to discrminate against other groups. What was the lesson of Bable. For some reason someone wants this.

Virgil I know i know. But I not racist . If you gotta do what ya gotta do .Do it . But I couldn't let that stand. The new med isn't helping me out in what we discussed either . I am all over the place . I can't even close my eyes. 2 days straight jes.

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder

I imagine most system admins aren't sitting in their data centers overclocking their servers though.

AHAHAHAHA.. yeah, but i had to post it ya know.
I wouldnt be aigo unless i did.

im getting a gainstown next week. I'll be ploping it on WCG. I dont know the exact chips yet, and im trying to get my friend whose close with supermicro to sport me an earily board.

But let me tell you guys this, WCG is a competitive thing, and i know a couple of guys that are scared silly when i drop my gainstown because they know i wont just fly... i'll probably shoot out into orbit.

16 simultanious threads is VERY HARD to beat. Thats 2 cpu's btw.

Get a Dunington style setup, and you see 4 physical cpu's, 16 physicals cores, and 32 SIMULTANIOUS THREADS. ROFL

I dont have much hope for shanghi in this area. As i said 32 threads on 1 machine is truely scary.

I dont know about you guys, but to me, that is UBER SEXY.

If you ask me, Yorkfield is still good enough and will be for at least 3 yrs for the average to advance users (shanghi will hopefully be on par or greater), but power users like me.. Lots of fun to be expected in 2009.

I'll be refreshing 2 yorkfield systems, in replacements to 1 gainstown and a i7 965 before the end of this year. :T

 

[atari030]

Originally posted by: aigomorla

16 simultanious threads is VERY HARD to beat. Thats 2 cpu's btw.

Get a Dunington style setup, and you see 4 physical cpu's, 16 physicals cores, and 32 SIMULTANIOUS THREADS. ROFL

I dont know about you guys, but to me, that is UBER SEXY.

I don't think it's that hard to beat. How about this T5440 system

4 physical CPUs, 32 physical cores, and 256 SIMULTANEOUS THREADS

Yeah, I know, not an x86 architecture, and not as fast single-thread performance, but still, a parallel serving MONSTER in a 4U box. There's still innovation going on in the CPU space outside of Intel and AMD.

 

[Dadofamunky]

Originally posted by: JaBro999

No doubt that AMD's margins for desktop CPU's have taken a beating from Core 2 in the last few years, but the real threat to AMD from Nehalem is in the server space. Even with the somewhat disappointing performance of Barcelona, AMD is able to still charge a relative premium for their server CPUs (esp. 4/8 socket). When 2 and 4 socket Nehalems start shipping, AMD stands to loose even more if it cannot get Shanghai out the door in great shape.

I know, I'm rooting for them big time.

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
I am pulling hard for AMD. I want comp. I also want to make a shitload of $$$. I am buying more stock . I will chase all the way to the bottom. This is really a risky move buy me . How risky. Well when Apple was setting in nomans land. $5+ I bought 2000 shares. Than Apple entered the music industry the rest is history. My wife was shocked by this . She said when did move to high risk investments. I told her IT was just gut feeling .

DUDE! Is that true? If so, good on you! You're still a freak, though.

Originally posted by: taltamir
past experience? they had ONE failed product in a line of huge successes. And recently their largest success yet in the video card department, AND they got rid of hector ruin... AND they are getting billions in investment money from united arab emirates... why would they NOT succeed?

Hector Ruin... heh...

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: atari030

Originally posted by: aigomorla

16 simultanious threads is VERY HARD to beat. Thats 2 cpu's btw.

Get a Dunington style setup, and you see 4 physical cpu's, 16 physicals cores, and 32 SIMULTANIOUS THREADS. ROFL

I dont know about you guys, but to me, that is UBER SEXY.

I don't think it's that hard to beat. How about this T5440 system

4 physical CPUs, 32 physical cores, and 256 SIMULTANEOUS THREADS

Yeah, I know, not an x86 architecture, and not as fast single-thread performance, but still, a parallel serving MONSTER in a 4U box. There's still innovation going on in the CPU space outside of Intel and AMD.

ahhhh, bring out sun sparc systems.

I dont know how those compete directly against a gainstown.

I was trying to overlay x86 tho.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: Dadofamunky

Originally posted by: JaBro999

No doubt that AMD's margins for desktop CPU's have taken a beating from Core 2 in the last few years, but the real threat to AMD from Nehalem is in the server space. Even with the somewhat disappointing performance of Barcelona, AMD is able to still charge a relative premium for their server CPUs (esp. 4/8 socket). When 2 and 4 socket Nehalems start shipping, AMD stands to loose even more if it cannot get Shanghai out the door in great shape.

I know, I'm rooting for them big time.

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
I am pulling hard for AMD. I want comp. I also want to make a shitload of $$$. I am buying more stock . I will chase all the way to the bottom. This is really a risky move buy me . How risky. Well when Apple was setting in nomans land. $5+ I bought 2000 shares. Than Apple entered the music industry the rest is history. My wife was shocked by this . She said when did move to high risk investments. I told her IT was just gut feeling .

DUDE! Is that true? If so, good on you! You're still a freak, though.


Jes thanks I think.

Originally posted by: taltamir
past experience? they had ONE failed product in a line of huge successes. And recently their largest success yet in the video card department, AND they got rid of hector ruin... AND they are getting billions in investment money from united arab emirates... why would they NOT succeed?

Hector Ruin... heh...

 

[taltamir]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1I haven't got a racist bone in my body . Idon't like hispanics crossing the border taking jobs and lowering wages for the rest of us

Hispanics coming across the border actually increase the wage of many people (management positions over them). But they do indeed "take" some people's jobs... But typically they do jobs no american would.

Neither is a concern (or a benefit when speaking of the management positions) for me since I actually graduated from HIGH SCHOOL (well... and college too, but that is not related).

Seriously if some border hopper can do my job better for less money, he is welcome to it. Actually if ANYONE else can do it he is welcome to it.

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Great reply but could you link that please . As I recall . that 50% is in fact 20% .

Intel/AMD contract

As for the EU numbers . Can AMD supply that many chips to the EU and supply other markets . I think not. I think Intel should do exactly what I said . Watches EU do a song and dance and slaps Intels hands. Point is Intel is accused of wrong doing . Intel should say hay your full of shit and just to show you your full of it AMD can have this market were out. EU would really look stupid . I know their not stupid But they are theives.

AMD can easily supply the extra chips...in fact one of the reasons that they sold the Fabs is that they aren't putting enough work through them.
I just don't see Intel giving up a third of their income for some point...
Also, remember that most parts of the world have accused Intel of wrongdoing.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Good day Viditor. You have to know that am aware that INtel has more than likely broken the commerace laws. I am noy stupid. SO has almost every company out there. Some have broken More than Commerace laws. There are alot of these . Intel probably fits in this area. SO does AMD.The differance is INTEL is consider a Monopoly. Its like affiritave action man . I see nothing wrong with a monopoly and they should be allowe to function exactly like any other company out. You think Intel is going to be king for ever. NO way. Somebody will come up with a new better process . That will change the industry. There IS only One company IN USA I am aware of that constantly does the same thing Intel does and They are Not considered monopoly. This cimpany has also commeted High crimes. This company is untouchable. Until this company is brought to justic . I consider everthing else laughable. This company has sinned against both God and Man. This company AIDED Hitler in the murder of millions of Jews , Gypse and other groups. This companies business practices have been criminal. Get these guys first .
AS for what you said about Fab capacity for AMD I agree. I am also insulted and almost every member here should be. I asked you if AMD could supply the EU and you said easily. Viditor all of us are aware of recent AMD Intel history. AMD 64 Had AMDs fabs maxed we know 30% is about all they can handle. Now 1 FAb is A shell. Also do you think AND would give up THE world market For the EU.

Intel would be foolish not to do this. They are accused of wrong doing by the Beast. IF intel did nothing differant. Than any other company has done and those are legeal practices. IF intel feels they have done nothing wrong. Than and only than . Should intel tell the Beast to kiss off. NOW thats harball. Its Also Intels Moral obligation to do exactly that. If Intel has to operate under affiranative action like conditions . They should just tell the Beast they can't function under those conditions. So they will no longer do business with them. Because INTEL can not comply to your standards . Its that simple. YOU can argue that its not that simple . But it really is.
The EU would buckel under. Besides that . Until the Company that helped MURDER millions of EU members is brought justice . They are A joke with the postion they of taken with Intel and MS.

Viditor I like your internet self. Because I know your internet self. Your the type that would applaud China accussing Intel of practicing poor business practices. You know this is true Viditor. If you really stopped to think about it should piss ya off.

 

[daveybrat]

If deneb is much faster and cooler running that Phenom's then i'll probably be upgrading my dually to a Deneb so i can continue to use most of my existing parts.

I really like the idea of JUST upgrading my cpu and motherboard at an affordable price. As much as i'd like to move to Nehelam....i'm too much of a cheapass to spend that kind of money!