SGI sues ATi

[Gstanfor]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
It's in the forums for all to see.

Unlike you I have no FUD that needs shutting up.

Shouldn't you be turning into a rabid AMD fanboy and haunting the cpu forum by now anyway? I notice you already made a start...

another boldface shameless lie about me . . . i guess you were unable to find anything at all.

FACT: You started the name calling . . . you started this flamebait thread --for all to see

actually i have always had and preferred intel


later, troll

Well, wont you suffer nicely from the Dr Jeckyle & Mr Hyde syndrome you were so sure that would afflict nvidia fans?

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
It's in the forums for all to see.

Unlike you I have no FUD that needs shutting up.

Shouldn't you be turning into a rabid AMD fanboy and haunting the cpu forum by now anyway? I notice you already made a start...

another boldface shameless lie about me . . . i guess you were unable to find anything at all.

FACT: You started the name calling . . . you started this flamebait thread --for all to see

actually i have always had and preferred intel


later, troll

Well, wont you suffer nicely from the Dr Jeckyle & Mr Hyde syndrome you were so sure that would afflict nvidia fans?

isn't there a bridge that you need to get back to?

 

[palindrome]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
Tech Report article
B3D forum discussion link

The patent in question, known as U.S. patent 6,650,327, was filed all the way back in June 1998 and covers a "display system having floating point rasterization and floating point framebuffering."

and no, nvidia won't be sued, because unlike ATi they licenced the technology from SGI.

Its good to know (the former) Ati's business principles are mired as deep in the sewer system as their PR is.

You must work with Rollo. How is he these days?

 

[Gstanfor]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Gstanfor

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
It's in the forums for all to see.

Unlike you I have no FUD that needs shutting up.

Shouldn't you be turning into a rabid AMD fanboy and haunting the cpu forum by now anyway? I notice you already made a start...

another boldface shameless lie about me . . . i guess you were unable to find anything at all.

FACT: You started the name calling . . . you started this flamebait thread --for all to see

actually i have always had and preferred intel


later, troll

Well, wont you suffer nicely from the Dr Jeckyle & Mr Hyde syndrome you were so sure that would afflict nvidia fans?

isn't there a bridge that you need to get back to?

Nope, but your is missing you - you haven't managed to win one of your idiotic arugments yet... (wonder what a coffin shaped bridge for trolls looks like- especially decked out in red & blue)

 

[josh6079]

What exactly is your point with the whole ATi lawsuite? Like Forest Gump said, "Sh!t happens." I just don't understand why consumers should care for lawsuites that don't concern them. Could you explain why I should consider this infromation of yours when browsing Newegg?

 

[Cookie Monster]

So... what was the real point of this thread?

 

[Gstanfor]

Originally posted by: josh6079
What exactly is your point with the whole ATi lawsuite? Like Forest Gump said, "Sh!t happens." I just don't understand why consumers should care for lawsuites that don't concern them. Could you explain why I should consider this infromation of yours when browsing Newegg?

It's because it enabled ATi to offer a feature they otherwise could not have - HDR + AA.

Little wonder there have been no WHQL drivers that officially expose HDR+AA...

 

[Sable]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
So... what was the real point of this thread?

Let me sum it.

OLD GREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEG HATES ATI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[josh6079]

Any form of patent infringement will let any product do something that it otherwise would not be able to do. Likewise we could say that Nvidia's BGA infringement allowed them to sell chips that were inspected with non-licensed, non-patented technology.

Both examples, whether ATI or Nvidia, are irrelevant since the card's are up sale and don't affect the features of the product at hand. We as consumers don't need to get involved in the cluttered crowd of hardware copyright infringements--they exist on so many levels and in so many quantities.

Nvidia's cards went non-licensed inspected and sold, ATI's cards went HDR+AA capable and sold. The legality surrounding how they both did that matters little since when playing DM:MM, FEAR, Oblivion, CoD2, etc. I have little care for what the lawyers for corporate [insert any company that may be subject to such infringes] says.

 

[BFG10K]

So... what was the real point of this thread?

It provided the perfect opportunity for Gstanfor to troll.

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor

Originally posted by: josh6079
What exactly is your point with the whole ATi lawsuite? Like Forest Gump said, "Sh!t happens." I just don't understand why consumers should care for lawsuites that don't concern them. Could you explain why I should consider this infromation of yours when browsing Newegg?

It's because it enabled ATi to offer a feature they otherwise could not have - HDR + AA.

Now tell me you did not just pull that out of thin air...:roll:

Little wonder there have been no WHQL drivers that officially expose HDR+AA...

Another lie. There are at least 3 games I know of (Farcry, SS2 and AOE3) that natively support HDR + AA on x1k cards without any special driver.

 

[Gstanfor]

Now tell me you did not just pull that out of thin air

The patent in question, known as U.S. patent 6,650,327, was filed all the way back in June 1998 and covers a "display system having floating point rasterization and floating point framebuffering."

You'll note that ATi never refers to their HDR setup as OpenEXR -they knew/know they'd get their arses sued off - well thats gonna happen now anyway...

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor

The patent in question, known as U.S. patent 6,650,327, was filed all the way back in June 1998 and covers a "display system having floating point rasterization and floating point framebuffering."

After reading the patent, that has got to be one of the most BS patents ever created. First of all, floating point vertex data and primitives have absolutely nothing to do with a floating point frame buffer. So, in effect the patent claims to have invented the whole floating point pipeline, beginning with FP vertex data and ending with FP color values. Not only has vertex data been floating point for as long as I can remember (well before 1998...), but the DX9 specs also state that FP24 minimum presicion must be used throughout the pipeline, and the patent claims to have the right to anything going on in the pipeline using FP values, even when not directly related to a FP frame buffer. In addition, OpenEXR is just a spec for FP color blending, it still technically falls "within" the scope of the patent, and includes not only the x1k cards, but also the nv40 and its derivatives, as well as the r300 and its derivatives.

Has anyone pattented the wheel yet? Cuz they could sure make a fortune in lawsuits right there...

 

[josh6079]

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: Gstanfor

The patent in question, known as U.S. patent 6,650,327, was filed all the way back in June 1998 and covers a "display system having floating point rasterization and floating point framebuffering."

After reading the patent, that has got to be one of the most BS patents ever created. First of all, floating point vertex data and primitives have absolutely nothing to do with a floating point frame buffer. So, in effect the patent claims to have invented the whole floating point pipeline, beginning with FP vertex data and ending with FP color values. Not only has vertex data been floating point for as long as I can remember (well before 1998...), but the DX9 specs also state that FP24 minimum presicion must be used throughout the pipeline, and the patent claims to have the right to anything going on in the pipeline using FP values, even when not directly related to a FP frame buffer. In addition, OpenEXR is just a spec for FP color blending, it still technically falls "within" the scope of the patent, and includes not only the x1k cards, but also the nv40 and its derivatives, as well as the r300 and its derivatives.

Has anyone pattented the wheel yet? Cuz they could sure make a fortune in lawsuits right there...

You keep us up-to-date on that "important" information Gstanfor, let us know how that lawsuit goes...

I can't help but note how it seems weird that SGI is sueing a company that some say doesn't "exist" anymore. Kinda hard to sue something that isn't there...

 

[Gstanfor]

No-one cares what you think of the patent (though I suspect you would have no trouble with it were nvidia and not ati/amd on the receiving end of the litigation). The fact is, it's a valid patent and ATI/AMD are in breach of it.

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
No-one cares what you think of the patent (though I suspect you would have no trouble with it were nvidia and not ati/amd on the receiving end of the litigation). The fact is, it's a valid patent and ATI/AMD are in breach of it.

I couldnt care less about the patent, the lawsuit, or what you say people care about. :roll:
I'm only explaining it to someone who may want to know why this is the equivalent of Netflix suing Blockbuster for infringing on the patent of "renting movies online"

I'm surprised you care so much about it...

But judging by your posts in this forum, maybe I'm not.:thumbsdown:

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
No-one cares what you think of the patent (though I suspect you would have no trouble with it were nvidia and not ati/amd on the receiving end of the litigation). The fact is, it's a valid patent and ATI/AMD are in breach of it.

Using the same psychopathic logic, "No-one" cares what you think of the patent either. So why bother continuing?

/thread.

 

[Paratus]

:thumbsup: Keys

 

[Gstanfor]

nvidia people didn't want to hear endlessly about shimmering etc either, but that didn't stop the fanatics, did it?

Get over it. Whats good for the goose is good for the gander.

 

[josh6079]

nvidia people didn't want to hear endlessly about shimmering etc either, but that didn't stop the fanatics, did it?

OMG, is that what this thread is about?

The shimmering issue most certainly did conflict with the consumers, a lawsuit over patents conflict with the compaines.

And "nvidia people"--I didn't know they had "people"...or maybe I did [AEG? *cough*]--cared about the shimmering so they could find out how to fix it.

That's like saying, "Dell people didn't want to endlessly hear about the Dell 2007FPW's banding, but that didn't stop the "NECrofiliacts", did it?

 

[Gstanfor]

No, nvidia people (as in those of us in the forums who prefer nvidia) were able to show that shimmering wasn't the issue the fanatics wanted it to be (just like we have with just about every issue the fanatics bring up).

However, that doesn't stop the fanatics from endlessly parroting their anti-nvidia drivel. So, as I've said before, fight fire with fire. And I'll guarantee ATi supporters will find my fires hard to put out (unlike the ones they start).

 

[josh6079]

If you want to tread away from your thread and go have sex with that dead horse of a shimmering issue, go ahead. You've already shown you're a fanatic that likes to make a mountain out of nothing in an attempt to....I don't know...do absolutely nothing.

It was brought up not only because it looked bad, but because Nvidia was recommending its shimmering setting for benchmarks. The only reason why it was rehashed from time to time was because "people who prefered Nvidia" denied it being a problem with the G70/71's until websites started claiming that it was indeed an issue.

Like I said, try to stay on topic in your own thread and keep us up-to-date on that lawsuit that's going nowhere. I'd be interested in how that turns out. Meanwhile I'm going to enjoy some HDR+AA that I'm "not suppose to be able to do." You have fun in your mud-pile of a thread.

 

[jiffylube1024]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
nvidia people didn't want to hear endlessly about shimmering etc either, but that didn't stop the fanatics, did it?

Get over it. Whats good for the goose is good for the gander.

Dude, who are the fanatics of which you speak? Most of these threads are you screaming "in defense" of Nivida.

You start threads "in defense" of Nvidia, and accuse ATI "in defense of Nvidia" against arguments that havent even been said yet.

Same sh*t, different day. It's so easy to spot the trolls, they're the ones who constantly proclaim that the world is neatly divided into discrete sides of one faction and another (on just about any topic).
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There's more out there than just "nvidia people" and "fanatics". By the way, if you're really looking to prove a point, best not to hilight your obvious bias by calling one side a derogatory term (fanatical), while leniantly calling the other side simply people.

 

[Gstanfor]

Originally posted by: josh6079
If you want to tread away from your thread and go have sex with that dead horse of a shimmering issue, go ahead. You've already shown you're a fanatic that likes to make a mountain out of nothing in an attempt to....I don't know...do absolutely nothing.

It was brought up not only because it looked bad, but because Nvidia was recommending its shimmering setting for benchmarks. The only reason why it was rehashed from time to time was because "people who prefered Nvidia" denied it being a problem with the G70/71's until websites started claiming that it was indeed an issue.

Like I said, try to stay on topic in your own thread and keep us up-to-date on that lawsuit that's going nowhere. I'd be interested in how that turns out. Meanwhile I'm going to enjoy some HDR+AA that I'm "not suppose to be able to do." You have fun in your mud-pile of a thread.

You can rest assured I'll let you know how it turns out Josh.

 

[BFG10K]

It looks Gstanfor is a fitting replacement for Trollo. If he really isn't on AEG's payroll then what we're seeing is fanaticism of the worst kind, complete with a tin-foil hat

Little wonder there have been no WHQL drivers that officially expose HDR+AA..

This coming from the guy that advocates nVidia beta drivers.

Regardless, your comment is false given ATi releases monthly WHQL drivers. Everyone else seems to know that except you. Why do you think that is?

No-one cares what you think of the patent

Right back atcha sparky.

The fact is, it's a valid patent and ATI/AMD are in breach of it.

nvidia people didn't want to hear endlessly about shimmering etc either, but that didn't stop the fanatics, did it?

The fact is nVidia cards shimmer more than ATi cards at default settings. So which is it? Do we care about fact or opinion?

No, nvidia people (as in those of us in the forums who prefer nvidia) were able to show that shimmering wasn't the issue the fanatics wanted it to be (just like we have with just about every issue the fanatics bring up).

Really? How? By switching to HQ? Well that didn't really show anything given the benchmark scores dropped. The shimmering was only part of the grand scheme of things.

You can rest assured I'll let you know how it turns out Josh.

You should seriously consider some medication, preferably a strong tranquilizer of some kind.