Sex with robots is unethical, researcher claims

shira

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A researcher - Kathleen Richardson - claims that using robots for sex is unethical:

“I propose that extending relations of prostitution into machines is neither ethical, nor is it safe,” the paper read. “If anything the development of sex robots will further reinforce relations of power that do not recognise both parties as human subjects.”

In a telephone interview with The Washington Post, Richardson — with Erik Billing of the University of Skövde in Sweden, the co-creator of the Campaign Against Sex Robots — said that she is not anti-sex. But she does object that the unequal power relationship that’s part of sex work between humans may be replicated in robot-human encounters — that will then be reinforced in human-human encounters, like a vicious circle.

“Technology is not neutral,” she said. “It’s informed by class, race and gender. Political power informs the development of technology. That’s why we can do something about it. These robots will contribute to more sexual exploitation. ”

The simple counter-argument, of course, is that the entire relationship between humans and computers is and always has been "unequal." Computers are our "slaves" - owned by us to do our bidding. And when they are no longer able to do what we want them to do, or are too slow or too unreliable, we discard them.

So why should using robots for sex be considered something special?
 
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Reminds me of a scene from the Firefly movie "Serenity"....Lenore the 'lovebot', wife of Mr. Universe.

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I think there is something else going on why would anyone be concerned about the master/slave relationship regarding sex with robots?
Let's tackle AI first.
 

shira

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I think there is something else going on why would anyone be concerned about the master/slave relationship regarding sex with robots?
Let's tackle AI first.
One of the researcher's objections is that she believes the relationship between humans and sex robots will reinforce unequal roles between men and women.
 

IronWing

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The current high water mark for stupid, embarrassing ways to die is autoerotic asphyxiation (other than being hit by a train, which is even dumber). Imagine the new possibilities opened up with the addition of robots.
 
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One of the researcher's objections is that she believes the relationship between humans and sex robots will reinforce unequal roles between men and women.

I see, sex robots will lessen the power between a woman's legs.
 

Jaskalas

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Repression has only lead to unfulfilled needs that then manifest in violence and rape. Americans need to be less puritanical, and I cannot help but draw parallels to that basis for their line of thinking.

I'd test them on whether they're abstinence only dingbats before I place any value on their shallow excuse for what is an obvious fear of sexual exploration.
 

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I think there is something else going on why would anyone be concerned about the master/slave relationship regarding sex with robots?
Let's tackle AI first.

It's about objectifying your sex partner,someone having sex with a robot might tend to believe that anyone else also is just an object to have sex with.
Of course as doc savage fan hinted,most people would tend to believe/pretend that an inanimate object has a soul and is a real person.
Common most men treat their cars better then their wives. (or so they say)
 
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The current high water mark for stupid, embarrassing ways to die is autoerotic asphyxiation (other than being hit by a train, which is even dumber). Imagine the new possibilities opened up with the addition of robots.

You're right. Some Japanese guy would definitely get strangled by a mechanical tentacle.
 

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The current high water mark for stupid, embarrassing ways to die is autoerotic asphyxiation (other than being hit by a train, which is even dumber). Imagine the new possibilities opened up with the addition of robots.
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The only thing I can see out of all of this is men who pretty much drop women for robots (assuming robots would be advance enough). Since they are not humans, you can legally treat them any way you want. Many men would simply not want to date a human female and you would have a society where men would rather get-off in a silicon/plastic robot rather than having to belt themselves down to a human female. If shit gets crazy, just hit the off button!!!!

You also have a group of men who would abuse/sadism of a human female robot. Well, idk if it's re-enforcing their diseased mind or if it's a outlet to prevent them from doing it to humans?

I don't see any issue....

However, many women will....
 

WelshBloke

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One of the researcher's objections is that she believes the relationship between humans and sex robots will reinforce unequal roles between men and women.
What's her views on other sorts of sex toys? And is there any reason why sex bots are going to just be female?
 

Texashiker

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So why should using robots for sex be considered something special?

Replace women with a robot who does not bring up stuff you did a decade ago?

Sounds good to me.

A robot who does not complain, grip, get moody, get fat, or spend money. Where do I buy one?
 

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I'd be more concerned about high quality sex bots increasing the number of NEETs.
 

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A researcher - Kathleen Richardson - claims that using robots for sex is unethical:...

Man-Computer Symbiosis, J. C. R. Licklider, IRE Transactions on Human Factors in Electronics, March 1960
Man-computer symbiosis is an expected development in cooperative interaction between men and electronic computers. It will involve very close coupling between the human and the electronic members of the partnership...Preliminary analyses indicate that the symbiotic partnership will perform intellectual operations much more effectively than man alone can perform them...

Does this make Licklider a chauvinist?

Uno
 

shira

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What's her views on other sorts of sex toys? And is there any reason why sex bots are going to just be female?

I'm guessing she would be opposed to any "sex toy" that looked too realistic. Here's most of the rest of the article:

Like Elon Musk decrying the rise of killer robots, Richardson is less worried about what exists than what soon will. She mentioned companies like True Companion and Real Doll whose merchandise looks primitive — even creepy — but may be a harbinger of sex work’s future. She also said some businesses planned to build models that look like children.

“There are companies … that don’t have animatronics but rely on the same idea,” she said. “It’s a new and emerging technology, but let’s nip in the bud.”

Billing, an associate senior lecturer in informatics — that’s the study of information — in Sweden, said that films such as “Ex Machina,” with attractive robots played by indie film darlings, ask big questions about what it will mean when machines becomes sentient. But these big questions can distract from the robots we already have, and how we interact with them.

“To some degree, these robots already exist,” he said. “… I think that the actual machines that are out there are debated too little.”

The nascent sex robot industry, however, defended its evolving product line.

“We are not supplanting the wife or trying to replace a girlfriend,” True Companion’s chief executive Douglas Hines told the BBC. “This is a solution for people who are between relationships or someone who has lost a spouse. … People can find happiness and fulfillment other than via human interaction.”

If sex robots still look like the equivalent of the Apple IIe, the philosophical literature on their rise is already quite deep. In 2007, David Levy took on the topic in “Love and Sex with Robots: The Evolution of Human-Robot Relationships.”

“Love with robots will be as normal as love with other humans,” Levy wrote, “while the number of sexual acts and lovemaking positions commonly practiced between humans will be extended, as robots teach us more than is in all of the world’s published sex manuals combined.”

Almost a decade later, he hasn’t changed his mind. Levy also pointed out something perhaps obvious — machines are already a part of our sex lives.

“There is an increasing number of people who find it difficult to form relationships and this will fill a void,” he told the BBC. “It is not demeaning to women any more than vibrators are demeaning.”

Asked whether “male” sex robots might also appeal to consumers, Richardson and Billing said that the majority of sex workers are women — though, for the record, there is a male Real Doll.

“Well, it will probably happen to minor degree,” Billing said of the rise of male sex robots. “There are certainly male prostitutes but not at all to same degree that there are female prostitutes.”
 

shira

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To repeat the point I made at the start: There's nothing inherently different between computers providing sexual services and computers providing any other service. Computers are evolving to provide us with exactly what we want, when we want it. So why should extremely sophisticated sexual-services be singled out as somehow beyond the pale of what robots should be allowed to provide?
 

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Replace women with a robot who does not bring up stuff you did a decade ago?

Sounds good to me.

A robot who does not complain, grip, get moody, get fat, or spend money. Where do I buy one?

Looks like you never figured out that men are women's robots.
 

WelshBloke

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I'm guessing she would be opposed to any "sex toy" that looked too realistic. Here's most of the rest of the article:
If she's against prostitution then robot sex workers has to be a good thing?

Let's face it, if robots become so similar to humans that they can replace humans as life partners then we are going to have bigger issues to address than this.
 
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If she's against prostitution then robot sex workers has to be a good thing?

Let's face it, if robots become so similar to humans that they can replace humans as life partners then we are going to have bigger issues to address than this.

Exactly
 

shira

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What if the robot had consciousness, free will, and felt love?
A very good question.

We'd first need to be able to determine that a robot had one or more of those characteristics. And if that were possible, and robots did indeed possess at least one of these, then we shouldn't be allowed to "exploit" them for ANY purpose. For example, if a computer had consciousness, how could we justify "owning" that computer? How could we justify using it essentially as a slave, whether for sex or any other service?
 

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To repeat the point I made at the start: There's nothing inherently different between computers providing sexual services and computers providing any other service. Computers are evolving to provide us with exactly what we want, when we want it. So why should extremely sophisticated sexual-services be singled out as somehow beyond the pale of what robots should be allowed to provide?

What can man become? Wher is humanities future? What is the trajectory of our spiritual evolution? What does it mean to evolve?

Is the person making the claims that robots should not be used for sex ahead or behind you in her understanding of the human condition. Does she perhaps have feelings and instincts you do not feel?

What do you imagine may be her motivation that compels her views?