Sex just got a lot more problematic in California

[Greenman]

If the woman says didn't give verbal consent, and the man says she did, isn't the burden of proof still on the state to prove she didn't say yes? The jury is supposed to be convinced "beyond a reasonable doubt", so if it's a matter of his word against hers, and she doesn't have bruising or the fellows skin under her fingernails, don't they have to acquit?

It's hard to believe that they actually came up with something this stupid. What's even worse is that we paid these idiots to do it.

 

[Greenman]

In before Moonbeam starts his CBD diatribe.

Based on his two posts right above you, I don't think that will happen. It appears he's having a pretty serious drug interaction, or a stroke.
I hope it's not a stroke.

 

[Vic]

Unless you actually like 'em passed out, I don't get it.

 

[cubby1223]

Sounds OK, but it's hard to find a notary at 2:30AM.

Wouldn't be difficult to find at all.

Where there is someone willing to pay there will be someone else ready to do the job.

 

[Blackjack200]

Sounds stupid reading this thread. I don't really care enough to look into it further. Hopefully, it gets struck down if it's really as explained.

So every once in a while you get something stupid like this from liberals, but you have a never ended stream of rape talk from conservatives.... therefore totally equal.

I think the "yes means yes" part essentially means nothing. Consent has always been required. The only weird part to me is the inability to consent while drunk.

Forcibly or unknowingly drugged (by any drug, including alcohol), fine. But IMO you are responsible for your consent if you willingly and knowingly take the drugs yourself. Just like you're responsible for any other behavior after deliberately drugging yourself.

 

[Drako]

Read that yesterday. As always, Paglia rules.

I'm assuming the "right winger" was in jest.

Paglia does rule, and yes, the "right winger" comment was TIC.

 

[squarecut1]

If the woman says didn't give verbal consent, and the man says she did, isn't the burden of proof still on the state to prove she didn't say yes? The jury is supposed to be convinced "beyond a reasonable doubt", so if it's a matter of his word against hers, and she doesn't have bruising or the fellows skin under her fingernails, don't they have to acquit?

By this law, it is the opposite. The accused guy would have to prove that she indeed said yes. Otherwise he is a rapist

It is not about whether she said no or resisted. It is about whether she said yes. Otherwise, rape

 

[SlickSnake]

So, Cali is running out of water, and the legislators are worrying more about sex. Sounds about right. On a side note, there won't be a lot of sex if no one can shower. And bathing in saltwater and then having sex is not recommended.

 

[dmcowen674]

Just develop an SEXTRACT App.

It takes a short video of each partner giving verbal and visual consent (think Vine), allows each to enter an email address, and accepts signature/thumb print of each participant, draws up a short one-line consent contract and emails it to both parties with video, signature, and thumb print. Trojan will also mail you free condoms as a cross-promotional offer.

It would compete with this App that already exists

https://www.yahoo.com/tech/why-good2go-an-app-for-sexual-consent-is-a-horrible-98833444529.html

Good2Go, an App for Sexual Consent



There’s a new Android and iOS app called Good2Go that aims to tackle the hot-button issue of informed consent for sex.



Created by Lee Ann Allman’s company, Santon Technologies, the app’s mission is to prevent or reduce “sexual assault,” “miscommunication,” and “regretted activities.”


The creators say it does this by leading you through a series of steps that gauge whether the person you want to sleep with is in the right state of mind and over 18.

This is how it’s supposed to go: You sign up for the app with your name and phone number, find a partner and — when you have decided you want to do the deed — open the app and hand her your phone, which asks if she’s down. The person you want to sleep with will have the opportunity to choose from three options: No, Thanks, Yes, but … we need to talk, and I’m Good2Go.

If your partner does indeed choose the third option, then a new set of questions will pop up, asking her to rank her level of sobriety. (For this article, we assume that in most cases, men will be asking women for their consent.) The choices range from Sober to Pretty Wasted. And if she chooses the latter, the app warns that she “cannot consent,” denying permission for the whole act.

CNN contributor Roxanne Jones, who say she advises her sons to “never have sex with a girl unless she’s sent you a text that proves the sexual relationship is consensual beforehand.”

 

[1prophet]

Can't give consent or held responsible for having sex if drunk but still held responsible if you are behind the wheel drunk and run someone over or get pulled over by the police.

But I digress, this guy here has the bullet proof way to prevent any repercussions

while getting serviced by this girl in public

later this girl is distraught after it makes the internet rounds,

if it wasn't for the public nature of the incident along with many witnesses she could have easily accused him of rape the next day and he wouldn't have a leg to stand on.

background of story here

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Slane-Castle-gig-viral-Twitter-Instagram.html

 

[Pneumothorax]

Sounds stupid reading this thread. I don't really care enough to look into it further. Hopefully, it gets struck down if it's really as explained.

So every once in a while you get something stupid like this from liberals, but you have a never ended stream of rape talk from conservatives.... therefore totally equal.

So it's equivalent when a couple of stupid tea party clowns saying dumb crap about women's bodies protecting them from rape who then don't get elected or when a state run by one-party rule idiot representatives votes into law this abomination of a law that will eventually be copied by lemming states like WA, OR, and NY?

 

[boomerang]

Also, loving the posters in this thread blaming Republicans for Democrat legislation.

Yeah, well as many of us know, the self professed 'smartest guys in the room' are often far from it. Humoring them is getting to be really expensive and one day we're going to have to cut them off cold turkey.

 

[Mursilis]

Love this bit from the Paglia piece:

Misled by the naive optimism and “You go, girl!” boosterism of their upbringing, young women do not see the animal eyes glowing at them in the dark. They assume that bared flesh and sexy clothes are just a fashion statement containing no messages that might be misread and twisted by a psychotic. They do not understand the fragility of civilization and the constant nearness of savage nature.

You mean human nature is still a thing?!? Can't we pass laws against that or something?!?

 

[Mursilis]

It would compete with this App that already exists

https://www.yahoo.com/tech/why-good2go-an-app-for-sexual-consent-is-a-horrible-98833444529.html

Good2Go, an App for Sexual Consent



There’s a new Android and iOS app called Good2Go that aims to tackle the hot-button issue of informed consent for sex.



Created by Lee Ann Allman’s company, Santon Technologies, the app’s mission is to prevent or reduce “sexual assault,” “miscommunication,” and “regretted activities.”


The creators say it does this by leading you through a series of steps that gauge whether the person you want to sleep with is in the right state of mind and over 18.

This is how it’s supposed to go: You sign up for the app with your name and phone number, find a partner and — when you have decided you want to do the deed — open the app and hand her your phone, which asks if she’s down. The person you want to sleep with will have the opportunity to choose from three options: No, Thanks, Yes, but … we need to talk, and I’m Good2Go.

If your partner does indeed choose the third option, then a new set of questions will pop up, asking her to rank her level of sobriety. (For this article, we assume that in most cases, men will be asking women for their consent.) The choices range from Sober to Pretty Wasted. And if she chooses the latter, the app warns that she “cannot consent,” denying permission for the whole act.

CNN contributor Roxanne Jones, who say she advises her sons to “never have sex with a girl unless she’s sent you a text that proves the sexual relationship is consensual beforehand.”

"Consent" apps and texts are useless when consent can be revoked at any point (including retroactively?). Emma Sulkowicz, the Columbia University student who is carrying a mattress around with her 24/7 until the school expels her alleged rapist, has stated that her rape started as consensual sex. From an interview of her:

One night there was a party for the orientation leaders. In the ivy-covered courtyard outside Wien Hall, Paul kissed Sulkowicz, who says that she was sober except for a sip of gin-and-Sprite. He was buzzed and carrying a handle of vodka. While they were having consensual sex in her dorm room, she alleges that he suddenly pushed her legs against her chest, choked her, slapped her, and anally penetrated her as she struggled and clearly repeated “No.”

Maybe what we need is for both partners to have to hold a 'thumb's up' sign during the entire sexual act to clearly demonstrate both that consent has been granted and is still being granted. Anytime the thumb comes down, all sex must cease immediately.

 

[Double Trouble]

The bill met no Republican opposition in the state Senate, but Assembly Republicans "questioned whether statewide legislation is an appropriate venue to define sexual consent between two people," according to the AP.

Yeah those Republicans are so good at protecting our rights, not.

If they had opposed the bill, there would certainly be a slew of "war on women" attacks against the GOP. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

This is California setting the bar on insanity even higher.

That place is incredibly fucked up, they're just lucky they have great weather and natural resources or the entire state would be a wasteland.

 

[boomerang]

Maybe what we need is for both partners to have to hold a 'thumb's up' sign during the entire sexual act to clearly demonstrate both that consent has been granted and is still being granted. Anytime the thumb comes down, all sex must cease immediately.

Hmm, so a new employment opportunity has presented itself - sex monitors. See, they're really geniuses in CA. Will the couple be able to choose the gender of the monitor? Oh wait, of course not, that would be discriminatory...

 

[Double Trouble]

Unless you actually like 'em passed out, I don't get it.

Seriously? You don't see a myriad of potential problems with this approach? Wow. Just wow.

 

[FerrelGeek]

Wow ... lots of conservatives in here angry at how much harder it will be to defend the actions of rapists. Can't say I'm exactly surprised considering they tend to defend every single rapist in every single P&N thread as it is.

Are you really so stupid that you can't see the unintended consequences of this law??? Really???? That's what people are upset about. I doubt seriously that ANYONE one here wants to defend rapists, but you had to go there. Typical brain-dead behavior.

I really do struggle with the whole issue of making pot legal. I see the definite advantages of decriminalizing it and move towards making it legal. Then I see stuff like this and wonder if all that pot smoking really does cause brain damage, which pushes me back the other way on the issue.

 

[squarecut1]

Love this bit from the Paglia piece:
Quote:
Misled by the naive optimism and “You go, girl!” boosterism of their upbringing, young women do not see the animal eyes glowing at them in the dark. They assume that bared flesh and sexy clothes are just a fashion statement containing no messages that might be misread and twisted by a psychotic. They do not understand the fragility of civilization and the constant nearness of savage nature.

Yes I thought that was a very pertinent paragraph in that piece. Like many things with wisdom, not quite in line with the political correctness of our age.

The society does not seem to understand that there is an animal inside each man, all of us males. That laws alone cannot prevent sexual crimes. Yes males have been tamed for the most part, but that wild animal is still there inside somewhere. For some it is deep hidden, for others, not so much. It is part of our biology.

 

[Mursilis]

Yes I thought that was a very pertinent paragraph in that piece. Like many things with wisdom, not quite in line with the political correctness of our age.

The society does not seem to understand that there is an animal inside each man, all of us males. That laws alone cannot prevent sexual crimes. Yes males have been tamed for the most part, but that wild animal is still there inside somewhere. For some it is deep hidden, for others, not so much. It is part of our biology.

But we've passed laws against bad things, and created programs! How can these bad things still exist?!?

 

[Jaskalas]

But we've passed laws against bad things, and created programs! How can these bad things still exist?!?

You've over stepped the logic. It's meant to jail / punish bad things.

 

[MtnMan]

Im not sure whether to laugh or cry. They found a way to regulate the bedroom again.

Religions have been doing that for centuries.

 

[zephyrprime]

If the woman says didn't give verbal consent, and the man says she did, isn't the burden of proof still on the state to prove she didn't say yes? The jury is supposed to be convinced "beyond a reasonable doubt", so if it's a matter of his word against hers, and she doesn't have bruising or the fellows skin under her fingernails, don't they have to acquit?

It's hard to believe that they actually came up with something this stupid. What's even worse is that we paid these idiots to do it.

The problem is, whoever accuses the other of rape is presumed to be telling the truth. This law upturns innocence until proven guilty. This country is going down the drain.

I will say this, the truth is, sex is a barbarous act and it does not always constitute goods this. Nor are the participants always good. Men will sometimes use force which they should be punished for. Women will often seek out wickedness in men.

 

[zephyrprime]

Poor poor men. They used to sit in the cat bird seat but now it's occupied by kittens. But the feminized men will be OK. The men of the future will be kind and gentle, delicate and squishy, and of course, liberal. Instead of Sunday football, we'll sit around and knit. I will teach you how to do Ikebana.. I love it when the apricots bloom in spring. And to float camellia in water is heavenly.

Women DESPISE feminized men. The whole reason countries like Japan have such low fertility is because the females of the human race do not want to mate with feminized men - men who are not aggressive and confident. Mark my words, world wide depopulation (except in africa) due to gender relations and various other social issues being messed up will be one of the defining problems of the mid 21st century.

Don't you get it moonbeam? Let me say it explicitly - women find evil attractive and sexy.

 

[Jaskalas]

Don't you get it moonbeam? Let me say it explicitly - women find evil attractive and sexy.

Evil and strength should not be confused, however much they are intertwined.