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Sex in media boosts teen promiscuity
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agreed. we have no problems here monitoring and restricting what our children watch, and weve "bumped it up" according to their age/maturity level. and while i feel they could grasp the "intellectual content" and entertainment value of, say, pulp fiction, that still doesnt mean they should watch it.
you cant shield them from everything. for example, theyve watched "R" rated movies while staying at friends houses, or when we have all went to cook outs and such, but such severly limited exposure is a good counter to dads "puritan regime" as my daughter likes to describe it.
finding the fine balance between exposure and shelter is the challenge. its not really hard as a parent if you care enough to put the effort into it.
edit: typos
edit2: forgot to add that kids emulate what they see and "grow up" with. yif a parent lets their daughter watch mtv all day, or son watch the "UFC", they shouldnt be surprised when they grow up and try to immitate such attitudes and personas.
NikPreviousAcct
No Lifer
You think?
shortylickens
No Lifer
Whatever happened to just spanking off and going back to class?
If this doesn't teach kids that they shouldn't be messing with the gene pool yet, I don't know what will
Didn't look at the link, but read the story on the thread. <shudders>
Didn't look at the link, but read the story on the thread. <shudders>
Phoenix86
Lifer
Maybe it's the lack of ping pong matches, I'd bet I can show activity in ping pong is inversly related to having sex. But I'd think that's obvious. 😉
Art imitating life or life imitating art? I tend to think it's the former. What makes you think it's the latter?
I've watch plenty of horror movies, even as a child. Does that make me more prone to kill, or does the fact I'm more prone to kill make me like horror movies?
These are not easy questions to answer.
Ok, thanks...
So says all the parents of the "good girls" who go off to college and circle-jerk the rugby, basketball and hockey teams at the same time. Trust me - I had sex with a few girls whose mastery of perpetrating that image to their parents was worthy of a gold medal. And boy, the were freakier than the rest - all your "fine balancing" leads to greater rebellion because the alternative is just too alluring. And you can NOT control that.
You parents are only suffering from the same naivete and denial that your children do when they are confronted with something they don't want to accept. Just like your teen will likely have sex under your nose and say to herself "I'm not going to get AIDs, that happens to others but not to me," you too utter the same nonsense about the risk of your child going awry. Of course, it happens to other parents, but not YOU!
I suppose you somehow believe that for every parent on Oprah whose jaw dropped when he/she found out her daughter was blowing her whole highschool class, it is somehow faulty parenting - something you, of course, don't suffer from?
If anything, I have more sympathy for you than the others here who champion the same stance, but for a different reason: censorship. Their whole shtick is seflishness - they fear that any sort of socially beneficial laws will dampen their fun and access to prurient material. Its the same sort of selfish, "its not my problem" attitude that leads Jewish record execs to produce albums of black rappers denigrating white society. You think Saul Goldstein lets his kids listen to that sh8t-filth?
Did you know that product placement in supermarkets is a big industry? That products placed at eye-level are there because their manufacturers paid a hefty premium to have it so? Do you think bottom-dollar focused corporations - the epitome of moral apathy - would engage in this behavior if exposure had no influence? Would they use supermodels along side pot-bellied American Joes to sell beer? Are you people that f*cking naive?
But of course, when Columbine happens, when teenagers start stockpiling arms, or even more blatantly connecting to the dots of influence - acting out scenes from crap they watch - Newsweek runs an article on the "anatomy of a killer". Why? Dismissing such behavior as biological dismisses the issue as a causeless one, at least socially so. Therefore no reevaluation of society needs to take place, as it was a part of their genes and not their environment - we are to afraid to find that we are ourselves to blame. So in the end, those who argue against censorship or socially beneficial laws as a result of people not accepting blame, have it quite backwards. Its time we see that it is OUR collective fault, and do something about it.
shortylickens
No Lifer
I agree with DigDug in many ways, but I have to say this:
I plan on spanking my kids, (assuming its still legal by the time I have kids). I also know that many parents now and many folks my age who plan on starting families soon, REFUSE to spank and hate the idea.
I know I have the mental/emotional fortitude to give my offspring the greatest gift of all: Discipline.
So I ask you this: Will I be another parent who thinks "Oh, no not my kids" ?
I have a plan, one that I think works better than most other parents. I intend to do my best, but thats what all parents think they're doing. Their best.
It just so happens that my best includes spanking but theirs done not.
Now when I say discipline, I do NOT mean hiding them from sh1t and lying to them about the world. I am not a republican, and I'm I'm damn sure not a christian. I dont think that protecting them from the dangers of the world does them any service. I want them to learn about sex and STD's as early as possible. I want them to learn about guns, war, drugs, marriage, CableTV, and televangelists as soon as I think they can hanlde it. And definately before they enter Junior High.
I remember what my thought processes were growing up and I remember having established my opinion on many issues before I got into Senior High.'
I also know that my kids will likely have to deal with the real world before they graduate, not after. I want them to be prepared well in advance. My idea of being prepared is NOT limited to just proper study skills.
I plan on spanking my kids, (assuming its still legal by the time I have kids). I also know that many parents now and many folks my age who plan on starting families soon, REFUSE to spank and hate the idea.
I know I have the mental/emotional fortitude to give my offspring the greatest gift of all: Discipline.
So I ask you this: Will I be another parent who thinks "Oh, no not my kids" ?
I have a plan, one that I think works better than most other parents. I intend to do my best, but thats what all parents think they're doing. Their best.
It just so happens that my best includes spanking but theirs done not.
Now when I say discipline, I do NOT mean hiding them from sh1t and lying to them about the world. I am not a republican, and I'm I'm damn sure not a christian. I dont think that protecting them from the dangers of the world does them any service. I want them to learn about sex and STD's as early as possible. I want them to learn about guns, war, drugs, marriage, CableTV, and televangelists as soon as I think they can hanlde it. And definately before they enter Junior High.
I remember what my thought processes were growing up and I remember having established my opinion on many issues before I got into Senior High.'
I also know that my kids will likely have to deal with the real world before they graduate, not after. I want them to be prepared well in advance. My idea of being prepared is NOT limited to just proper study skills.
Chiropteran
Diamond Member
So, seriously, what is the problem with teens having sex?
I love how you tie censorship in with socially beneficial laws. That's bullshit reactionary rhetoric.
The problem is your "socially beneficial" laws are completely subjective and have no place in a free society.
There may be problems in the world, but they are better than the Orwellian society you, possibly in ignorance, are suggesting.
I know girls like you mention, and a few of them are starting at NYC investment banks in July. Just because an individual's social life clashes with your personal, subjective morality doesn't make it a universal negative.
Chiropteran
Diamond Member
Damnit, I knew I should have been a teacher.
So as you throw up Orwell in your painting of the slippery slope, is it not fair to point out the inevitable intellectual paralysis that accompanies the moral relativism you smugly peddle, possibly in ignorance?
Where do we draw the line? Should we have no laws prescribing behavior? Should we drop morality altogether because of lack of clean overlap between ours? Maybe you'd advocate sex in public, maybe in a park bench in the city? The slope is just as slippery in your direction. And that a college slut is working at an Investment Bank, is hardly a counter to my argument because (1) as a whore, she's still failed to live up to the standards her parents attempted to inculcate in her (and it was this failure that was the focus of my original thread) and (2) in reality, she's simply changed the object of her whoring.
Says you. I'd actually like to live in a world where MTV isn't showing parents providing commentary as they watch their daughters fellating men during Spring Break. What's the name of that "show" again?
Where do we draw the line? Should we have no laws prescribing behavior? Should we drop morality altogether because of lack of clean overlap between ours? Maybe you'd advocate sex in public, maybe in a park bench in the city? The slope is just as slippery in your direction. And that a college slut is working at an Investment Bank, is hardly a counter to my argument because (1) as a whore, she's still failed to live up to the standards her parents attempted to inculcate in her (and it was this failure that was the focus of my original thread) and (2) in reality, she's simply changed the object of her whoring.
Says you. I'd actually like to live in a world where MTV isn't showing parents providing commentary as they watch their daughters fellating men during Spring Break. What's the name of that "show" again?
Jeff7
Lifer
Parents I think have a considerable impact. I knew about porn like....I don't know, maybe around 12? Don't remember. I didn't go out immediately and start having sex with any girl I met. I had good values taught to me by my parents, and I knew that that sort of thing just wasn't something that we do in this society. Of course, having severe social anxiety probably precluded any chance of anything happening anyway.😱
Exhibit "Reality" TV - the media sure has hell isn't portraying social norms. Seriously, if the media showed what was normal, would anyone watch?
Wow, I didn't intend to strike the philosophical nerve I cleary have. I'm not going to argue moral relativism with you because it's obvious you're firmly rooted in your position with your fingers in your ears, but I will say that your slippery-slope example is overtly extreme compared to mine. Sex in public is quite a jump from cutting out the first amendment as you suggest. However, I will admit I prefer how Western Europe handles public sexuality to how it's handled here.
You misunderstood the point I was trying to counter with the college girl example. I didn't see you make the claim that a child not living up to her parent's ideals was the problem, as that is and should be irrelevant to the government. The point is said girl can have an active social life and still provide more to society than most of the people on this board in her professional life.
So you want to live in a world without MTV and other similar aspects of American culture? I can suggest some countries, but, if you're married, your wife may have to wear a burka.
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