Severe Image Tearing Issues...

[akshayt]

Hi

It is some time from my previous thread. Thankfully things are working much better at the moment.

I am using Win XP SP2 Pro, CAT 6.12 Beta, Page file as 1MB Initial and 2048MB Maximum. I have 4 partitions on a single HDD and both my gaming and XP partition have this page file.

My image tearing is so damn sever that my games seem either choppy, or stutter just because of image tearing, it is a rare form of image tearing which is very difficult to tell quickly that it is image tearing.


FEAR
High FPS but image tearing makes the game feel choppy. Used Triple Buffering + Vsync, decreased the FPS in intensive areas and during fights to below 60 and in those areas it doesn't remain too good, however performance is overall much smoother with Tripple Buffering + Vsync, however with Triple Buffering the occasional jerks/stutters increase.

Most Wanted
I no longer seem to have that constant stuttering. However the image tearing seems to be visible in the form of the trees going past jerkily and lagging especially while turning. The game seems to be particularly bad while making turns. V Sync + Tripple buffering makes a huge hit on FPS but the lagging and jerkiness seems to go to a significant extent, however the car becomes very tight to drive so it is not comfortable play.

UT 2004
V Sync adds to smoothness but decreases FPS sometimes to below 60. Tripple Buffering adds a slight lag to it. Without V Sync the game is ok, but no where close to that smoothness plus there is image tearing on close noticing.

Battlefield 2
Huge image tearing making the game extremely choppy and unplayable. V Sync is absolutely necessary, however it increases occasional stutters especially while turning.
I don;t get good FPS with BF2, which seems odd to me.

BF 2142
There is image tearing which takes away the smoothness of the game.

Reference
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=126905


I use V Sync from within the game or from CCC, I use tripple buffering from DirectX Tweaker or something I think, with count at 2.


Could you tell my the possible causes for image tearing and how to correct it?

 

[40sTheme]

Hmm, just kick up you monitors refresh rate and see if that does anything. I would mess with that first to see if any settings are the source of the problem.

 

[TheRyuu]

*Pulls up Lawn Chair and cracks open :beer:*
*Puts on Flame Suit*
*Waits for flamewar to start*

*Me attempting to help*:
Vsync/Triple Buffering is a trade off.
Either take the tearing or take the jerkyness with vsync (it shouldn't really be jerky anyway but still).

And it couldn't possible tear as much as my 7900GT's in SLI. SLI tears much more then any single card and I don't think it's that bad.
Also try cranking up the IQ settings/Eye Candy to bring it closer to your Monitors refresh rate. That might help the tearing a little bit.

I think you might have some super sensitive eyes or something. If it's really bothering you that much you might want to switch back to a CRT. They tear less then LCD's too.

 

[FireChicken]

Originally posted by: 40sTheme
Hmm, just kick up you monitors refresh rate and see if that does anything. I would mess with that first to see if any settings are the source of the problem.

QFT
You get tearing when your FPS exceeds your monitors refresh rate. If you have a monitor that only has a max 60hz refresh rate this means that your monitor can only do 60 FPS without tearing. Even with Vsync on if FPS exceeds refresh rate you will get tearing. My solution was to buy a new monitor with w 75hz refresh rate. Or you could go back to a CRT like wizboy said. They have a refresh rate of around 150hz or so...

 

[LittleNemoNES]

BTW, yakshat, Catalyst 6.12 final are out so grab those (just in case). Remember that to stop tearing you need vsync. But it will limit your FPS. So use dxtweaker and enable forced triple buffering. A side effect will be slightly delayed mouse movements. Other than that there's not much else you can do but take it like a little man.

 

[sodcha0s]

Other than that there's not much else you can do but take it like a little man.

LOL.... thanks for that little gem gersson!

 

[thilanliyan]

Isn't there any way to cap your fps at 60 for certain games?

Damn...Akshayt has more posts than me. I feel so sad now and feel like less of a man. Hehe just kidding Akshay...I'm just bored.

 

[LittleNemoNES]

Originally posted by: sodcha0s

Other than that there's not much else you can do but take it like a little man.

LOL.... thanks for that little gem gersson!

ha ha -- yeah I have to admit I made myself laugh too.

 

[BFG10K]

Oh man, this would be what, round #5 of the Revenge of the Radeon (tm) series?

Akshayt, sell your PC and get a console.

 

[akshayt]

I have have a 17" CRT Samsung 793MB. 1280x1024 @ 60Hz, 1024x768 @ 85Hz

Without V Sync, I get lag/stutter and choppiness issues even with UT04. With V Sync the game mostly becomes smoother but I ger reduced FPS(below 60), and the moment it goes below 60 the gameplay doesn't remain that decent. Also, mouse cursor movemments are not that accurate with Vsync and moving the mouse a little results in a significant change in the position of the cursor.

What could be the reasons of such severe image tearing? Could it be a faulty monitor, or faulty DVI/monitor port?

Also I get image tearing in games like MW as well where my FPS are no way close to 60 most of the time, 30+ to sub 55 without V sync.

 

[Vinnybcfc]

Can you replace the cable easily? Because trying another VGA cable may help

Games that use the Source engine like: Half Life 2 etc. Have a max_fps limit which acts similar to vsync but dont have vsyncs input problems might be worth looking into something like that

 

[Stumps]

Originally posted by: akshayt
I have have a 17" CRT Samsung 793MB. 1280x1024 @ 60Hz, 1024x768 @ 85Hz

Without V Sync, I get lag/stutter and choppiness issues even with UT04. With V Sync the game mostly becomes smoother but I ger reduced FPS(below 60), and the moment it goes below 60 the gameplay doesn't remain that decent. Also, mouse cursor movemments are not that accurate with Vsync and moving the mouse a little results in a significant change in the position of the cursor.

What could be the reasons of such severe image tearing? Could it be a faulty monitor, or faulty DVI/monitor port?

Also I get image tearing in games like MW as well where my FPS are no way close to 60 most of the time, 30+ to sub 55 without V sync.

Oh my fvcking god, you are such a retard, that is what Vsync is supposed to do...most people with half a brain usually set their refresh rate to at least 85hz for decent CRT users...Like me or 75hz for LCD's.....so when necesary you can run with Vsync on, it's susposed to limit frame rates to prevent tearing.

You do realise that a lot of games nowadays have a auto Vsync built in to them so no matter what you're hardware is capable of is never really goes over 60 or 70 FPS.

I suspect that most of you're problems are in you're fvcking head...you have unrealistic expectations from you're hardware, combined with the fact that you don't have a fvcking clue at all.

GROW A BRAIN AND FVCKING USE IT.

 

[Vinnybcfc]

Just reading on some of the replies on xtremesystems:

Try and get bootable memtest working this problem could be related to a stick of ram etc

You have tried two different cards int he computer so it cant be the video cards

 

[akshayt]

I didn't try the other card very comprehensively, but I tried 2-3 games each for a short span of time and everything ran just the same.

With low FPS I mean that If with VSync off I get 70FPS+, at times with Vsync on I may only get 40s or 50s where I would be getting 70+.

VGA cable is the power supply to GPU connector, right?

 

[Stumps]

Originally posted by: akshayt
I didn't try the other card very comprehensively, but I tried 2-3 games each for a short span of time and everything ran just the same.

With low FPS I mean that If with VSync off I get 70FPS+, at times with Vsync on I may only get 40s or 50s where I would be getting 70+.

VGA cable is the power supply to GPU connector, right?

you must have super human eyes....most people couldn't tell the difference between 30 FPS and 60 FPS.

40 and 50 FPS are still considered a smooth framerate.

It must be one of you're super retard powers that you posess.

 

[Stumps]

Originally posted by: akshayt

VGA cable is the power supply to GPU connector, right ?

you're kidding right?

 

[Vinnybcfc]

Originally posted by: akshayt
I didn't try the other card very comprehensively, but I tried 2-3 games each for a short span of time and everything ran just the same.

Yeah which points to another component not the video cards

Originally posted by: akshayt
VGA cable is the power supply to GPU connector, right?

rofl, you have just made my day lol

Not the power cable, the cable from the video card to the monitor

Here is a link to a picture of a VGA Cable:

http://www.cyberresearch.com/images/products/1119917797.600.jpg

Edit:

VGA is a analog standard so you could possibly have interference with a poor or damaged cable

 

[hardwareking]

here we go again.
Just increase refresh rates to the max ur monitor supports and enable vsync whenever u play.
get a new VGA cable(like others have said)
And hope for the best.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Attention whore much?

 

[Keysplayr]

Enable V-Sync. /thread.

 

[akshayt]

I always keed my desktpop screen res to 1024x768. Till now I was using monitor desktop refresh rate at 60Hz, I changed it to 85Hz and tried UT04. I wouldn't say that there was no image tearing for there was lots resulting in a noticeable choppiness almost throughout, however the image tearing was noticeably less comapared to that at 60Hz. Though I played UT04 at 1280x1024.

I may try the VGA cable (different) as well.

 

[Stumps]

Originally posted by: akshayt
I always keed my desktpop screen res to 1024x768. Till now I was using monitor desktop refresh rate at 60Hz, I changed it to 85Hz and tried UT04. I wouldn't say that there was no image tearing for there was lots resulting in a noticeable choppiness almost throughout, however the image tearing was noticeably less comapared to that at 60Hz. Though I played UT04 at 1280x1024.

I may try the VGA cable (different) as well.

remember to get on that goes from the wall power socket to the back of your VGA card.

the extra power will improve frame rates.

 

[40sTheme]

Ashkay, tell me this:
What is your LOWEST frame rate in UT2004? I want to know this to verify whether your eyes are like Superman when it comes to FPS differences.

 

[akshayt]

The FPS in most cases are not the problem. The problem is with the image tearing which causes the games to sometimes be choppy, sometimes lag or sometimes stutter. There are probably very few problems other than that that need to be solved. In the map I played today in MW, I got that constant stutter again, but not in the other maps hopefully atleast.

Also, during the time MW was lagging(mostly without VSync), the hdd was being accessed repeatedly after every few seconds, during big turns.

Lowest FPS in UT vary, but mostly 60 or above without Vsync and sometimes 40s or 50s.

 

[memories2002]

Oh no, not this guy again! His posts make absolutely no sense...hes the infamous "TechBoi" from techenclave dot com slash forums.....im still trying to figure out when he experiences "lag", where he gets "stutter", and what situations give him "jerkiness".
Jerk.