Several NVidia partners discontinue GTX285 & GTX275?

[thilanliyan]

http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/15919/1/

Several partners have confirmed it and it doesn't say whether the others are doing the same but just haven't confirmed it.

This was posted at XS originally and here's a post why they might be doing this:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/f...howthread.php?t=236511
"hmmm so nvidia is losing money per sold gtx260 gtx275 and gtx285 and thus limits the supply?

in his last story charlie wrote that he suspects its an artificial shortage nvidia created so people would hurry and buy up the current stock at the current price, before nvidia then drops the price of gt200 cards to adjust it to atis line up... cause if nobody buys the current gt200 stock off of retailers and parters at the current price, they will drop it, and thanks to nvidias price policies, nvidia will reimburse them for their losses... so basically every card that is sold 30$ below nvidias msrp, results in nvidia giving the partner 30$ credit for their next order. and the only thing they can do to prevent the prices from dropping is creating a shortage... less supply = better supply/demand ratio = higher price...

i think the latter makes a lot more sense than nvidia EOLing gt200... cause even IF gt300 comes out soon, what about the mainstream?
they NEED gt200 until they have cut down gt300 parts...
so my guess is they cut supply or limited it greatly, wait for stock to deplete, then they will relaunch gt200 at a notably lower price"

EDIT (maybe not?):

Originally posted by: Wreckage
http://www.brightsideofnews.co...n-mass-production.aspx

News of the demise of the GTX 260, 275 and 285 due to shortage might be overrated - or actually limited to a specific market from where rumors arrive.

 

[Wreckage]

http://www.brightsideofnews.co...n-mass-production.aspx

News of the demise of the GTX 260, 275 and 285 due to shortage might be overrated - or actually limited to a specific market from where rumors arrive.

 

[Schmide]

I don't see how there can be a shortage, when it seems they never really sold that many anyways.

Steam GC survey

GTX 275-295 ~3%
4800 series ~8%

Edit: If we include the gtx260 things look a bit more even for the high end cards

GTX 260-295 ~6%

 

[v8envy]

Obligatory criticism of the steam GC survey data. HL2 is an ancient engine, as evidenced by the vast majority of cards in the survey being obsolete, budget or extreme low end. Or even obsolete extreme low end. The results for VIA and GMA are up there with ATI 4 series, even.

Could be a better or worse seller in its intended market.

 

[Schmide]

Originally posted by: v8envy
Obligatory criticism of the steam GC survey data. HL2 is an ancient engine,

It's not just HL2 engine. It's anyone who uses steam, which is a far far greater number.

 

[JSt0rm]

probably need to include the 250 and up to compare with the 4800 series

 

[Schmide]

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
probably need to include the 250 and up to compare with the 4800 series

If you include the 250 you're including the 8800 series, since the 250 is basically an 8800 gts 512 and is actually last generations chip. My post was just there to show how the two next generation chips are selling.

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: Wreckage
http://www.brightsideofnews.co...n-mass-production.aspx

News of the demise of the GTX 260, 275 and 285 due to shortage might be overrated - or actually limited to a specific market from where rumors arrive.

Okay so it could still be that they're getting rid of inventory at the higher price and just waiting for the lower priced versions then (like what that guy at XS posted)?

 

[evolucion8]

Using Steam data, the HD 48x0 series simply outsold the GTX series, period.

All Video Cards Data

GTX 2x0 series 5.93%
HD 48x0 series 7.89%

DX10 GPU Data

GTX 2x0 series 8.61%
HD 48x0 series 11.46%

It isn't an overwhelming victory, but it is a victory, specially that the HD 48x0 series are more profitable.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: evolucion8


It isn't an overwhelming victory, but it is a victory, specially that the HD 48x0 series are more profitable.

Sure if you ignore facts. :roll:

Like how many 48xx series cards don't compete with the GT200 series.

Like how ATI has not been making a profit over the time that the 4xxx series has been out

Like how the steam survey even says that NVIDIA has at least a 65% market share.

Why is it that you ignore these facts?

 

[Schmide]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Sure if you ignore facts. :roll:

Irony

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Like how many 48xx series cards don't compete with the GT200 series.

4830? Huge segment the 4830. Even then It's kind of competitive.

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Like how ATI has not been making a profit over the time that the 4xxx series has been out

Kind of hard for you to separate the series form the company(s) isn't it.

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Like how the steam survey even says that NVIDIA has at least a 65% market share.

When confronted with data, distract and ignore.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: Schmide


4830? Huge segment the 4830. Even then It's kind of competitive.

The 4850 competed with the 9800GTX and for some reason steam seems to be lumping all 4xxx series card into one.

Kind of hard for you to separate the series form the company(s) isn't it.

The series is the company. The company lost money.

When confronted with data, distract and ignore.

You are trying, but not succeeding. Why are you ignoring actual market share numbers and trying to misuse partial survey data?

 

[BenSkywalker]

4830? Huge segment the 4830. Even then It's kind of competitive.

The 4830, 4850 and it appears the 4770 is also included in the Steam numbers. Steam is a terrible source to use for these types of comparisons for that reason.

Kind of hard for you to separate the series form the company(s) isn't it.

In this market your current products are funding products that are coming out in the next two years. That doesn't just go for AMD, it is the same for nVidia and Intel too.

It isn't an overwhelming victory, but it is a victory, specially that the HD 48x0 series are more profitable.

If you want to try and look at it from that angle, how much R&D was put into the series and what has the total volume of those parts then? This market doesn't really work like that, but the margins per board don't seem to be very different between nV and ATi.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: evolucion8


It isn't an overwhelming victory, but it is a victory, specially that the HD 48x0 series are more profitable.

Sure if you ignore facts. :roll:

Like how many 48xx series cards don't compete with the GT200 series.

Like how ATI has not been making a profit over the time that the 4xxx series has been out

Like how the steam survey even says that NVIDIA has at least a 65% market share.

Why is it that you ignore these facts?

When are you going to stop ? Your the worse troll here. None of what you wrote about above is true facts none. As for ATI vs , NV Ati still has gas in its old arch . Nv ran plumb out of fuel for its ARCH . and the new arch is do when ? next week ?

Just guessing your 12 or 13 years old correct . If your older surely your toothless by now with that mouth.

 

[evolucion8]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: evolucion8


It isn't an overwhelming victory, but it is a victory, specially that the HD 48x0 series are more profitable.

Sure if you ignore facts. :roll:

Like how many 48xx series cards don't compete with the GT200 series.

Like how ATI has not been making a profit over the time that the 4xxx series has been out

Like how the steam survey even says that NVIDIA has at least a 65% market share.

Why is it that you ignore these facts?

You are funny man, loll, your bias toward nVidia is shameful even for nVidia with its current bad situation. Even with the facts posted, you still with your own denial, I pity you.

 

[Schmide]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

You are trying, but not succeeding. Why are you ignoring actual market share numbers and trying to misuse partial survey data?

Duh, because my point, which you unkindly tried to skew, was about the adoption of the current generation of tech from both companies.

NVidia made a too large too expensive GPU and they seem to be headed down that same road again. Thus the need for blue crystals.

 

[Beanie46]

Originally posted by: Wreckage


Sure if you ignore facts. :roll:

Like how many 48xx series cards don't compete with the GT200 series.

Right......as in how so many of nvidia's GT200 series cards don't compete very well with comparable ATi 4XXX cards, you mean. For instance, given that the 4890 is on average $30 cheaper than the comparable GTX275 and either matches its performance or beats it over and over and over in game after game after game, the fact of the matter is nvidia is having a hard time competing in the price/performance ratio these days.

For source, I refer you to the latest video card test on Anandtech, of the Gigabyte GTX260 Superoverclock, and just compare the results of the GTX275 vs. the 4890. The same scenario is repeated with the vanilla GTX260 vs. the 4870.....and this ignores the 5870/5850 series out now that beat up on almost everything nvidia has out right now.

Funny how some manage to skew or ignore the facts that are out there but just stick their heads in the sand or manage to pull one game out to represent overall performance of the entire line of cards over all games.

Face it, until nvidia gets the GT300 series out in volume, nvidia is really sucking wind right now and having to resort to FUD over and over to compete in reality or whatever parallel universe the nvidia fanbois live in.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: evolucion8


You are funny man, loll, your bias toward nVidia is shameful even for nVidia with its current bad situation. Even with the facts posted, you still with your own denial, I pity you.

Note how you did not (could not) dispute what I posted.


http://www.bit-tech.net/news/h...creases-market-share/1

At the height of the battle between the GTX200 series and the HD48xx series. NVIDIA was able to take 67% of the market. More than double ATI's market.

Last quarter ATI lost $12 million.

How am I the one in denial? What facts have you posted?

The funny thing is I actually like AMD and have bought numerous ATI parts over the years. It's the hypocrisy in this forum I can't stand.

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: Wreckage
At the height of the battle between the GTX200 series and the HD48xx series. NVIDIA was able to take 67% of the market. More than double ATI's market.

That increase could also have been from selling stuff like the 8600 cards...wasn't there something posted a while back saying nV dumped a bunch of low-end inventory and that was counted towards their market share gains?

 

[MrK6]

Originally posted by: WreckageAt the height of the battle between the GTX200 series and the HD48xx series. NVIDIA was able to take 67% of the market. More than double ATI's market.

Last quarter ATI lost $12 million.

How am I the one in denial? What facts have you posted?

The funny thing is I actually like AMD and have bought numerous ATI parts over the years. It's the hypocrisy in this forum I can't stand.

Because the GTX200 and 48xx series had so much impact on market share. Honestly, learn what the hell you're talking about before posting. It's like the rebuttal is in your own post.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: evolucion8

It isn't an overwhelming victory, but it is a victory, specially that the HD 48x0 series are more profitable.

ATi did not profit from the 4XXX series. Why do people keep saying this in every thread?

Both nV and ATi have lost money over the last 4 quarters.

Unless you have data to the contrary....

 

[Itchrelief]

Does AMD break out ATi financials separately? If they don't, people are just arguing endlessly over something that cannot be answered with the available information. It's like saying the latest Disney movie was hugely profitable while only having the overall financial information for Disney as a whole.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: Itchrelief
Does AMD break out ATi financials separately? If they don't, people are just arguing endlessly over something that cannot be answered with the available information. It's like saying the latest Disney movie was hugely profitable while only having the overall financial information for Disney as a whole.

Yes, they do.

 

[GaiaHunter]

Considering that the market share leader is losing money (and considering most of the money that is made come from the lower parts and not the mid-high end) it isn't surprising that ATI is losing money.

But they are losing less money than they were before while nvidia was making money before.

So, while ATI didn't leave the red, the 4xxx series improved the ATI situation.