Seven NAMBLA Members Busted in Sex Sting

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: aidanjm
I think a sizeable proportion of men think it is more or less okay to fvck a 14 or 15 year old girl.

Your wrong on two counts. First one that a sizable proportion of men think it's ok to have sex with under age girls.

How else does one account for the large numbers of girls sexually abused by male relatives?

Large numbers of girls? Where did you come up with this?

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Secondly the notion that you "think" because if you did you realize that your statement was totally absurd.

How is my statement absurd?
[/quote]Because you stated that a sizable proportion of men think it's ok to have sex with underage girls and then you followed up by saying that a large number of girls have been abused by their male relatives. What is your definition of a "Large Number of girls? One half of one percent?

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: aidanjm
I think a sizeable proportion of men think it is more or less okay to fvck a 14 or 15 year old girl.

Your wrong on two counts. First one that a sizable proportion of men think it's ok to have sex with under age girls.

How else does one account for the large numbers of girls sexually abused by male relatives?

Large numbers of girls? Where did you come up with this?

I would have thought it was common knowledge. Lots of surveys have been conducted on this, and around 20-30% of women report having been sexually abused as a child.

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Secondly the notion that you "think" because if you did you realize that your statement was totally absurd.

How is my statement absurd?

Because you stated that a sizable proportion of men think it's ok to have sex with underage girls and then you followed up by saying that a large number of girls have been abused by their male relatives. What is your definition of a "Large Number of girls? One half of one percent?[/quote]

My definition of "a large number of girls" would be 20-30% (at a miminum) of all girls under the age of 18.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: aidanjm
I think a sizeable proportion of men think it is more or less okay to fvck a 14 or 15 year old girl.

Your wrong on two counts. First one that a sizable proportion of men think it's ok to have sex with under age girls.

How else does one account for the large numbers of girls sexually abused by male relatives?

Large numbers of girls? Where did you come up with this?

I would have thought it was common knowledge. Lots of surveys have been conducted on this, and around 20-30% of women report having been sexually abused as a child.

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Secondly the notion that you "think" because if you did you realize that your statement was totally absurd.

How is my statement absurd?

Because you stated that a sizable proportion of men think it's ok to have sex with underage girls and then you followed up by saying that a large number of girls have been abused by their male relatives. What is your definition of a "Large Number of girls? One half of one percent?

My definition of "a large number of girls" would be 20-30% (at a miminum) of all girls under the age of 18.



[/quote]So you feel comfortable saying that a large percentage of Straight males are pedaphiles but condemn those who say the same thing about Homosexuals?

Are you trying to condone the actions of these guys by making up statistics saying that Straight are just as bad as these NAMBLA fsckheads?

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: aidanjm
I think a sizeable proportion of men think it is more or less okay to fvck a 14 or 15 year old girl.

Your wrong on two counts. First one that a sizable proportion of men think it's ok to have sex with under age girls.

How else does one account for the large numbers of girls sexually abused by male relatives?

Large numbers of girls? Where did you come up with this?

I would have thought it was common knowledge. Lots of surveys have been conducted on this, and around 20-30% of women report having been sexually abused as a child.

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Secondly the notion that you "think" because if you did you realize that your statement was totally absurd.

How is my statement absurd?

Because you stated that a sizable proportion of men think it's ok to have sex with underage girls and then you followed up by saying that a large number of girls have been abused by their male relatives. What is your definition of a "Large Number of girls? One half of one percent?

My definition of "a large number of girls" would be 20-30% (at a miminum) of all girls under the age of 18.

So you feel comfortable saying that a large percentage of Straight males are pedaphiles but condemn those who say the same thing about Homosexuals?

Are you trying to condone the actions of these guys by making up statistics saying that Straight are just as bad as these NAMBLA fsckheads?[/quote]

Of course I'm not condoning the actions of these people. However I do find it interesting that articles on the abuse of boys get posted, but you never see an article on the rampant sexual abuse of girls occurring throughout suburban USA (or any other western nation).

Google on the prevalence of child sexual abuse in the community. Some experts think a figure of 30% (of all women) having been abused as children is conservative.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Of course I'm not condoning the actions of these people. However I do find it interesting that articles on the abuse of boys get posted, but you never see an article on the rampant sexual abuse of girls occurring throughout suburban USA (or any other western nation).

Probably because there is no rampant sexual abuse of girls throughout Suburban America.

Google on the prevalence of child sexual abuse in the community. Some experts think a figure of 30% (of all women) having been abused as children is conservative.

"Some Experts" also think Homosexuality is a sickness too. I seriously doubt that figure is anywhere close to being accurate.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: aidanjm
However I do find it interesting that articles on the abuse of boys get posted,

I don't as it is headline news!

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Of course I'm not condoning the actions of these people. However I do find it interesting that articles on the abuse of boys get posted, but you never see an article on the rampant sexual abuse of girls occurring throughout suburban USA (or any other western nation).

Probably because there is no rampant sexual abuse of girls throughout Suburban America.

Google on the prevalence of child sexual abuse in the community. Some experts think a figure of 30% (of all women) having been abused as children is conservative.

"Some Experts" also think Homosexuality is a sickness too. I seriously doubt that figure is anywhere close to being accurate.

You obviously haven't googled on that. By all means, shove your head back in the sand.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Of course I'm not condoning the actions of these people. However I do find it interesting that articles on the abuse of boys get posted, but you never see an article on the rampant sexual abuse of girls occurring throughout suburban USA (or any other western nation).

Probably because there is no rampant sexual abuse of girls throughout Suburban America.

Google on the prevalence of child sexual abuse in the community. Some experts think a figure of 30% (of all women) having been abused as children is conservative.

"Some Experts" also think Homosexuality is a sickness too. I seriously doubt that figure is anywhere close to being accurate.

You obviously haven't googled on that. By all means, shove your head back in the sand.

By all means pull your head out of your ass!

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: aidanjm
However I do find it interesting that articles on the abuse of boys get posted,

I don't as it is headline news!

People like you are the reason so many men can rape their daughters, nieces, etc. and we never hear about it. You just don't give a shit, OR your head is in the sand. You're not even willing to do a 5 second google search to establish whether or not your preconceived notions on this topic are inaccurate.

 

[PatboyX]

i always want to read up on this NAMBLA thing...but i seriously dont want to google their group.
i feel like saying "i was doing research" just wont hold up.
especially since i would have nothing to use this research for but my own understanding of the group.
i hear it getting bashed on all the time (and i imagine it is justified) but i know nothing about it other than the name.
i want to know how this group exists...o'reilly is constantly bringing them up in connection with the ACLU and all of us non-conservatives.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: aidanjm
However I do find it interesting that articles on the abuse of boys get posted,

I don't as it is headline news!

People like you are the reason so many men can rape their daughters, nieces, etc. and we never hear about it. You just don't give a shit. You're not even willing to do a 5 second google search to establish whether or not your preconceived notions on this topic are inaccurate.

People like me? I support prosecuting anybody who sexually abuses a child to the fullest extent of the law, whether the child is related or not to the sick bastard who does it. I also believe they should be put in the General Prison Population to face the consequences of their actions.

On the other hand I'm not going to go around thinking that 30% of the men I meet who are parents of daughters sexually abuse them just like I'm not going to go around believing that 30% of Male Homosexuals lust after young boys.

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: aidanjm
However I do find it interesting that articles on the abuse of boys get posted,

I don't as it is headline news!

People like you are the reason so many men can rape their daughters, nieces, etc. and we never hear about it. You just don't give a shit. You're not even willing to do a 5 second google search to establish whether or not your preconceived notions on this topic are inaccurate.

People like me? I support prosecuting anybody who sexually abuses a child to the fullest extent of the law, whether the child is related or not to the sick bastard who does it. I also believe they should be put in the General Prison Population to face the consequences of their actions.

On the other hand I'm not going to go around thinking that 30% of the men I meet who are parents of daughters sexually abuse them just like I'm not going to go around believing that 30% of Male Homosexuals lust after young boys.

I believe that heterosexual males are much more likely to sexually abuse children than openly gay males, but that's another issue.

Link

-The National Resource Council estimates the percent of the U.S. population which has been sexually abused to range from a low of 20-24 percent to a high of 54-62 percent of the population; the higher estimate includes sexualized exposure without touching, such as masturbating in front of the child.

-The largest retrospective study on the prevalence of child sexual abuse found 27 percent of women and 16 percent of men reported abuse."

-Children are most vulnerable between ages eight-12. The average age for first abuse is 9.9 years for boys and 9.6 years for girls. Victimization occurs before age eight in over 20 percent of the cases. Another study found 24 percent of female child sexual abuse survivors were first abused at age five or younger.

-Most children are abused by someone they know and trust, although boys are more likely than girls to be abused outside of the family. A study in three states found 96 percent of reported rape survivors under age 12 knew the attacker. Four percent of the offenders were strangers, 20 percent were fathers, 16 percent were relatives and 50 percent were acquaintances or friends.

 

[Jack31081]

When is NAMBLA going to cut the crap and change their name to NAHSRA (North American Homosexual Statutory Rape Association)??

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: aidanjm
However I do find it interesting that articles on the abuse of boys get posted,

I don't as it is headline news!

People like you are the reason so many men can rape their daughters, nieces, etc. and we never hear about it. You just don't give a shit. You're not even willing to do a 5 second google search to establish whether or not your preconceived notions on this topic are inaccurate.

People like me? I support prosecuting anybody who sexually abuses a child to the fullest extent of the law, whether the child is related or not to the sick bastard who does it. I also believe they should be put in the General Prison Population to face the consequences of their actions.

On the other hand I'm not going to go around thinking that 30% of the men I meet who are parents of daughters sexually abuse them just like I'm not going to go around believing that 30% of Male Homosexuals lust after young boys.

I believe that heterosexual males are much more likely to sexually abuse children than openly gay males, but that's another issue.

Link

-The National Resource Council estimates the percent of the U.S. population which has been sexually abused to range from a low of 20-24 percent to a high of 54-62 percent of the population; the higher estimate includes sexualized exposure without touching, such as masturbating in front of the child.

-The largest retrospective study on the prevalence of child sexual abuse found 27 percent of women and 16 percent of men reported abuse."

-Children are most vulnerable between ages eight-12. The average age for first abuse is 9.9 years for boys and 9.6 years for girls. Victimization occurs before age eight in over 20 percent of the cases. Another study found 24 percent of female child sexual abuse survivors were first abused at age five or younger.

-Most children are abused by someone they know and trust, although boys are more likely than girls to be abused outside of the family. A study in three states found 96 percent of reported rape survivors under age 12 knew the attacker. Four percent of the offenders were strangers, 20 percent were fathers, 16 percent were relatives and 50 percent were acquaintances or friends.

So if we are to believe this then a large percentage of our children are being sexually molested. Sorry, I just don't see it.

 

[Geekbabe]

The biggest sexual abusers of girls are the new boyfriends/husbands of the girl's mother

 

[Jack31081]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Probably because there is no rampant sexual abuse of girls throughout Suburban America.

I gotta side with aidanjm on this one. Sexual abuse of children is much more widespread than you believe it to be. You can find this out easily by doing a bit of internet research.

"Some Experts" also think Homosexuality is a sickness too. I seriously doubt that figure is anywhere close to being accurate.

Again, you'll see 30% is pretty accurate according to aidanjm's last post. 27% of women reported being abused, so that doesn't include those that don't report it.

 

[Jack31081]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
So if we are to believe this then a large percentage of our children are being sexually molested. Sorry, I just don't see it.

Just because you don't 'see' it doesn't mean it ain't happening.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Jack31081

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Probably because there is no rampant sexual abuse of girls throughout Suburban America.

I gotta side with aidanjm on this one. Sexual abuse of children is much more widespread than you believe it to be. You can find this out easily by doing a bit of internet research.

"Some Experts" also think Homosexuality is a sickness too. I seriously doubt that figure is anywhere close to being accurate.

Again, you'll see 30% is pretty accurate according to aidanjm's last post. 27% of women reported being abused, so that doesn't include those that don't report it.

So 1 in 4 woman have already reported being abused or is it 1 in 4 that they have studied reported being abused? It would seem that women with psychological problems would come from home where abuse was rampant.

 

[Jack31081]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
So 1 in 4 woman have already reported being abused or is it 1 in 4 that they have studied reported being abused? It would seem that women with psychological problems would come from home where abuse was rampant.

First, your causation is backwards. Women that have been sexually abused as children likely have a higher rate of psychological problems.

Either way, what difference does it make to the study? They didn't survey only women with psychological problems. Why are you trying so hard to reject the research done by the AMA in favor of your unfounded preconceptions?

 

[Pepsei]

If we can arrest them solely on 'conspiracy' to commit this act, why can't we just arrest everyone in NAMBLA? That association is based on raping boys.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Jack31081

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
So 1 in 4 woman have already reported being abused or is it 1 in 4 that they have studied reported being abused? It would seem that women with psychological problems would come from home where abuse was rampant.

First, your causation is backwards. Women that have been sexually abused as children likely have a higher rate of psychological problems.

Either way, what difference does it make to the study? They didn't survey only women with psychological problems. Why are you trying so hard to reject the research done by the AMA in favor of your unfounded preconceptions?

My unfounded preconceptions that most Straight Males aren't sick Pedaphiles like those assholes in Nambla? I dunno, I guess being a Straight Male myself associating almost exclusively with other Straight Males and their families have led me to this conclusion. Man who would have thunk all those guys had been buggering their daughters?:roll:

 

[Jack31081]

And I've never murdered anyone, know anyone who's been murdered or know anyone who's murdered someone else, but it's obvious that it does happen. A lot.

And most straight males aren't sick pedophiles. My guess is that the percentage of men who've abused a child is much less than the percentage of children abused. And don't forget, 'sexual abuse' as it pertains to children is much broader than just sex. The American Medical Association defines it as:

The American Medical Association defines child sexual abuse as "the engagement of a child in sexual activities for which the child is developmentally unprepared and cannot give informed consented Child sexual abuse is characterized by deception, force or coercion.

Sexual abuse can include fondling, genital exposure, intimate kissing, forced masturbation oral, penile or digital penetration of the mouth, vagina or anus. Child prostitution, pornography and cult (or "ritual") abuse are specific activities also included in the definition. Incest is sexual abuse where the offender is a family member.

So the number of guys 'buggering' their daughters is lower than the number that have committed sexual abuse.

 

[Martin]

The National Assosiation of Marlon Brando Look Alikes? NOooooo

 

[shrumpage]

Originally posted by: Martin
The National Assosiation of Marlon Brando Look Alikes? NOooooo

"We've been fighting NAMBLE for years over the domain name..."

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: Michael
Supertool,

These are Americans planning on crossing the border to have sex with boys as young as 8. The crime they're charged with - conspriracy to do so - occurred in the USA. Were you being sarcastic or is it open season on whatever foreign place you plan on going?

Also note that there are lots of laws that project American values onto what is done overseas. The Foreign Corrupt Practices Act is a good example.

Michael

Conspiracy to commit what crime in the US?
It's a Mexican problem. If Mexicans want to make a sting, that's their business. We have plenty of domestic problems to worry about aside from protecting Mexican boys.
Also, I don't think US should be telling Americans what to do overseas, aside from advising them to respect local laws. It should respect the jurisdiction of local laws and governments of those countries.