Setup for new A8N System

kaizan

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I am about to build my 1st PC.

Im looking at the following setup. Can someone fill in the blanks with recomened hardware? Im a bit lost as to what else I should get.

A8N-SLI (Duh)
Athlon 3500+ CPU
Corsair TwinX1024-3200XLPRO --- Is this good for the system? Something else?
Asus EN6600GT SLI Extreme (x2)
2x Western Digital 36GB Raptors ---- Is RAID really worth it?
Audigy 2 ZS Sound Card --- Is onboard better? Whats the benifit?

What do you think about a power supply for this system?

I was looking at this:http://www.ocztechnology.com/p...modstream_power_supply

And as for a cooler I was thinking the ASUS Star-Ice and Vento 3700 Case?

Let me know! :)
 

TheInvincibleMustard

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Firstly, have a look at Wes' review of the 90nm processors -- you can extrapolate that the 3200+ falls somewhere right between the 3000+ and the 3500+ in the charts (roughly) -- http://www.anandtech.com/cpuch...ts/showdoc.aspx?i=2242 ... what you'll need to determine is if that extra little bit is worth it to you or not for the price increase. To me, personally, I plan on going with either the 3000 or 3200 and o/c-ing it up to 4000 levels so I don't really gain much from the extra $$$ required for the 3500. This completely depends upon what you're wanting to do with it, however, and what your budget looks like, but just something I thought I'd point out.

Secondly, check out this thread that shows very very little difference between "high-performance" and "value" RAM -- http://forums.anandtech.com/me...=1475190&enterthread=y ... something like these Mushkin sticks would be plenty fine (http://www.newegg.com/app/View...ion=20-146-299&depa=0)

Thirdly, unless you're going to be running one of the games that nVidia has optimized in drivers for SLI (nZone link ) you'd be better off going with a 6800GT instead of the 2x6600GT route (http://www.pcper.com/article.p...=99&type=expert&pid=9), as the ones on that list are the ONLY ones that will benefit from SLI, which is something that most reviews fail to mention -- by "benefit" here, I mean actually show a marked increase by using SLI technology. Sure, as the drivers progress more games will be added, but if you really really enjoy an out-of-mainstream game you should realize that you'll probably be running it only on a 6600GT and not an SLI'd setup.

Fourthly, if you feel the need to go with the WD Raptors, I'd recommend going with the 74GB versions, as not only are they larger but have faster access times as well. For most common desktop applications that you'll be running in a standard home environment, though, you will NOT notice much of an improvement from regular SATA/7200RPM to the Raptors (even in RAID-0) -- http://www.anandtech.com/storage/showdoc.aspx?i=2101

Fifthly, with regards to the Audigy 2 ZS, there's going to be lots of people on both sides of the argument. There are plenty of reviews out there for this particular card (http://www.google.com/search?h...ew&btnG=Google+Search), but the important thing to remember is that your sound is only going to be as good as the weakest component -- if you're pairing this card with a pair of off-the-shelf 2.0 $10 speakers, expect to get $10 sound. Unless you're a semi-serious audiophile (note that serious audiophiles would not even be talking about the Audigy 2 ...) and willing to spend several hundred on some nice-quality speakers, I'd hazard a guess that the onboard sound would be decently good enough.

Sixthly, that's the same powersupply that I was looking at getting, so I don't suppose I can say too much bad about it :p ...

As for cooler, unless you're really planning on doing overclocking (or you want to jazz up the inside of your window'd case), the stock retail HSF from AMD should function plenty fine. It'll also function good if you're looking at doing mild overclocking. The folks over at ViperLair just did a review of this HSF, actually (http://www.viperlair.com/revie...heatsinks/asus/stice/) and they seem pretty impressed with it. It is rather large, however, and that's something to keep in mind. If you're specifically looking for large well-cooling HSFs, then I'd also suggest taking a look at Thermalright's XP-120, which is an absolute behemoth (ViperLair review -- http://www.viperlair.com/revie...s/thermalright/xp120/).

With regards to your case, this is such a hard topic to provide opinions on as most of them are just that -- opinions. Find a case that looks nice to you, has what you're looking for in the way of front ports and expansion possibilities, is made of decent quality construction and materials. Extras like a removable motherboard tray, removable HDD cages, etc. are nice but certainly not a requirement. Above all, make sure that it provides decent airflow and that you're happy with its aesthetics, as you're (hopefully) not going to be fiddling with the insides too much after you get it all put together. Personally, I'm an Enermax (and now Lian-Li) guy, but like I said, that's just me and everyone will have different tastes.


Phew ... long post, but I hope it helps you (and others) out some!
 

TheInvincibleMustard

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Originally posted by: Insomniak
"Invincible Mustard" would be a good name for a rock band.
Not to deviate too far offtopic, but thanks ... I think ... ;)

(actually, this is the screenname that I've gotten the most comments on in my 10+ years of the Internet, so I'm thinking of sticking with it)
 

kaizan

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In Regards to the RAM i mentioned.

I currently have some Corsair XMS TWINX-1024 3200LL in my system at the moment that i purchased over a year ago. Will the be good enough or better than the TWINX-1024 3200XLPRO that is relativly newish?
 

TheInvincibleMustard

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Well, from the Corsair website, the only difference that I can tell between the 3200LL and the 3200LLPro is that the Pro has the little LED lights on them showing "memory activity." ... If that's your thing, shell out the money for them, but there's practically no difference between the two sets of memory. If you've already got the Corsair memory as you say, then keep it and use that in the new system rather than purchasing new.
 

kaizan

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No, its XLPRO im looking at not LLPRO, I have the LL ram. Is LL a better ram for this motherboard? Im told it overclocks very well but have never tried.

BTW thanks for all your help mustard. I just made a much infomed purchase. Im going the 74GB drives now in RAID 1 as they say 0 it useless. RADI 1 will hopefully help me agains 1 drive failing. Im new to raid but it sounds very valuable to me!
 

Boondocker

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Look at my Sig. I have had NO problems and am running rock solid!! I love this board. I am not overclocking yet but this combo seems to work perfect. I have seen a lot of complaints, dont know if I got lucky or not but I have been extremely happy with this set up.
 

TheInvincibleMustard

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Ah yes (eyes didn't catch the X the first time) ... XLPro is slightly different than the LLPro, running at slightly faster timings (Tom's had a very excellent article that explained what all these things mean indepth about a year ago and not too much has changed since then -- http://www.tomshardware.com/motherboard/20040119/) ... although, as I linked in my first post, given the architecture of the K8 (Athlon64) processor, the differences between 2-2-2-5 and 2-3-2-6 are not going to be very noticable. The only advantage for an A64 system might be from the extra teensy bit of overclocking headroom that the XLPro offers because you can lower the timings at higher frequencies and still achieve good timings, but again, nothing noticable for the K8 architecture.

If you're interested in RAID, a good introduction that explains all of the different levels (0, 1, etc), how they're implemented, etc, at the AC&C website -- http://www.acnc.com/04_01_00.html ... the benefit of RAID-1 of course comes from the redundancy backup (since everything you save to disc is immediately copied) but the downside is that you're 100% inefficient (ie, the second 74GB is completely wasted except in the case of a drive failure). Unless you're going to be doing something that's mission-critical, most home users (ie, 99%+) don't need the redundancy of RAID-1 provided they perform regular backups (eg, with a DVD-burner or something ... speaking of which, the best one around now is the NEC 3520A -- $66 shipped at NewEgg http://www.newegg.com/app/view...iption=N82E16827152040 in case you haven't looked at getting any ... that link is for the silver model, but there are others). If you're still interested in doing RAID-1, then I'd suggest something more akin to the Seagate 7200.8 in your choice of sizes (ZZF link to the 160GB model -- http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/...sp?ProductCode=101565) as you'd get about twice the storage space for the same amount of money and not a tremendous amount of reduction in speed. If you're feeling really-really-really like you're wanting to do RAID, then you'd probably want to be looking at some sort of external controller card that supplies hardware parity calculations for RAID-5 and a minimum of three drives, as that combination would give you the "best" of both RAID-0 and RAID-1, albeit at a much higher cost. I must stress that this particular setup would be something that only the most diehard enthusiast or someone working on mission-critical tasks would need and is well beyond the scope of 99.99% of home users.

I hope I'm not overwhelming you with information, kaizan, but I hope that you're learning something from me and the links I'm providing -- and don't thank me too much, since this sort of stuff is what I enjoy doing as a hobby, so I find explaining all this stuff to be great fun :D
 

kaizan

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Fantastic bit of info there IM. Well I already have the 2 drives here now so money is spent! I might use one as a system drive and the other purly for storing games. I also have a 250GB drive which is for storing files etc.

That sounds like a smart thing to do. 1 Drive will run operating system and programms the other will run just games. This way I dont have to resort to many partitions at all. just a 10GB partition for windows incase i stuff something up.

Does the A8N need a FDD to install SATA drivers?

And im still going with the 6600GT SLI setup, I can always upgrade later on anyway.

Thanks Again! :)
 

deepinya

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TheInvincibleMustard- I am floored by the attention to details in your post. I know who to come to for help.

kudos to you
 

TheInvincibleMustard

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Ah ... does the A8N require a floppy to install SATA drivers upon Windows installation ... I'll admit that I'm at the limit of my knowledge there, as I'm not personally familiar with the motherboard. However, from what I've been able to discover by reading the manual (which is very excellent, by the way) and looking at these two links http://www.pcper.com/article.p...=98&type=expert&pid=17 (PC Perspectives review) and http://forums.anandtech.com/me...eyword1=a8n+AND+floppy (AT forum post) it would appear that if you're going to be using SATA in a non-RAID configuration you should be fine. It only seems to be if you're going to be doing any sort of RAID that you'll need the floppy.

(Aside from that, it wouldn't be hard to cannibalize a floppy from another machine for an hour or so if you really need one.)

Anything else? Happy to help! :D
 

TheInvincibleMustard

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Originally posted by: deepinya
TheInvincibleMustard- I am floored by the attention to details in your post. I know who to come to for help.

kudos to you
Well ... gee ... thanks ... :eek:

Just doing my friendly neighborhood AT forum-goer duty! :D


(PS -- 300th post! Woot! :D)