Settlers wish to rebuild second temple

[rahvin]

There was an interesting program on the Israeli settlers the other day (delt with the pullout from gaza) and they focused on a radical group called the hilltop settlers. What struck me about the interview was the leaders statements that they intended to rebuild the 2nd temple of solomon. For those that are light on history this passage will help:

http://www.infoisrael.net/cgi-local/text.pl?source=3/e/170720051

Like the earlier Persian and Greek kings, the Roman procurators and governors inflicted heavy taxes on the people and began to dictate how their religion was to be practiced. The Jews finally rose up against the Roman legions in 66-73 CE.

The Roman emperor Vespasian?s son, Titus, finally re-conquered Judea, besieged its capital, Jerusalem, and after an epic struggle with the defenders destroyed the Second Temple. The revolt continued until the Jewish defenders on the mountaintop fortress of Masada committed mass suicide to preempt the possibility of being taken as captive slaves to Rome.

Despite enormous casualties and countless numbers sent into slavery, the Jewish presence remained strong in the homeland and a Second Revolt broke out against Roman occupation in 135 CE. The Jews defeated the Roman legions sent against them and restored their independence for three short years.

The Roman Emperor Hadrian finally crushed Judea and renamed the land ?Philistia,? later ?Syria-Palaestina,? and finally ?Palestine? after the Philistines who had dominated parts of the Mediterranean coastline. This was a calculated insult to the Jews whose ancient enemy had been the Philistines. ?Palestine? remained the geographical name of the area until modern times.

However, even after Jewish independence in its Biblical and ancestral homeland was obliterated in name and deed, the Jews still managed to remain throughout much of the territories except for Jerusalem. It had been converted into a pagan city named Aeolia Capitolina in which was erected a giant statue of the pagan god Jupiter in place of the Temple to the One God.

Though the land precluded Jewish independence for the next two thousand years, Jews continued to yearn for a return to the Promised Land and ?Zion,? the mountain that became a symbol for Jerusalem.

This discussion gets even more interesting because the book of revelation in the bible calls for the reconstruction of the temple of solomon before the return of the sod of god. The return of the vengefull son of god who will start at the temple and begin the destruction of all the "wicked", even taking the step of dipping is robe in the blood of the fallen.

Reconstruction of the temple would result in the destruction of the mosque that currently sits on top of it (the third holiest site in all of islam) and would likely trigger the war called for in bible (refered to as armageddon).

Should those that don't subscribe the notion of a magical sky wizzard aim to prevent this world event for the dissaster it would cause in those believers of christianity that would begin preparing themselves for the rapture and war to follow?

 

[magomago]

Coming from a religious perspective:
I would think anyone looking FOREWARD for the world to end is mentally insane. I don't see a reason why we should either hope the world ends sooner, or wish that it will not occur in our life times. What will (supposedly...slight variations between Islamic and Christian stories) happen after that is a totally different stage that can't be viewed as life is now.
We know it will come, but there is no point to want it to occur ASAP.

Reminds of of an adult telling a kid not to grow up too fast and enjoy yourself~ same concept here. This will be our only lives on earth so we may as well enjoy it and do what God asks, not try to accelerate any of his plans.
Ultimately...I would think that thsoe who try to rush God's plans will fall hard~ or mybe I'm talking out of my ass and the end of the world is tomorrow Either way, I don't care exactly when it will come...so as long as I acknowledge it will occur and leave it as that...I think that is for the best

As for those settlers...they sound nuts imo.

 

[Czar]

extremists indeed

but one odd possibility, if they do rebuild the temple... and nothing happens, how will the religious world take it?

 

[rahvin]

Originally posted by: Czar
extremists indeed

but one odd possibility, if they do rebuild the temple... and nothing happens, how will the religious world take it?

Certain Christian groups would attempt to trigger it by triggering a war that could classify as armageddon, WWIII.

 

[Duckzilla]

Originally posted by: rahvin

Originally posted by: Czar
extremists indeed

but one odd possibility, if they do rebuild the temple... and nothing happens, how will the religious world take it?

Certain Christian groups would attempt to trigger it by triggering a war that could classify as armageddon, WWIII.

If a completely one-sided war can be considered a world war, then yeah, it could be World War III. Generally speaking, world wars like we have seen in the past pit one great power against another. If you consider any Middle Eastern power an equal to any Western power, you are sadly, and I mean sadly mistaken.

 

[rahvin]

Originally posted by: Duckzilla
If a completely one-sided war can be considered a world war, then yeah, it could be World War III. Generally speaking, world wars like we have seen in the past pit one great power against another. If you consider any Middle Eastern power an equal to any Western power, you are sadly, and I mean sadly mistaken.

The permise of armageddon (at least as I was raised) is that the after construction of the temple the armies of magog will invade and attempt to destroy israel. It is at that point that nuclear weapons will be used to defend Israel.

Consult the following radical site:

http://www.harpazo.net/magog.html

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

If all religious fundamentalists were simply intent on building temples we wouldn't have so many problems in this world.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
If all religious fundamentalists were simply intent on building temples we wouldn't have so many problems in this world.

so... nothing bad here?

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: rahvin

Originally posted by: Duckzilla
If a completely one-sided war can be considered a world war, then yeah, it could be World War III. Generally speaking, world wars like we have seen in the past pit one great power against another. If you consider any Middle Eastern power an equal to any Western power, you are sadly, and I mean sadly mistaken.

The permise of armageddon (at least as I was raised) is that the after construction of the temple the armies of magog will invade and attempt to destroy israel. It is at that point that nuclear weapons will be used to defend Israel.

Consult the following radical site:

http://www.harpazo.net/magog.html

After reading most of the link, I think the article is not making sense Ultimately this "Army" has to come from somewhere. I don't see Russians, or people in that area creating such an army that will plow through nation state boundries and crush Jews anytime soon That and since they are of the Goog and Magog, they can't be Arabs since Arab lineage dates to Ishmeal. Basically, things wouldn't make sense

Then again...perhaps the end of the world isn't going to occur in the next 100 years, and we'll have to wait another few thousand for so for a complete geopolitical shift to occur before it happens~ and if that is the case, then why worry about it now

This is why extremeists on both sides should be given a kick in the arse for trying to force anything...I would enjoy that~
Though not as much as the discovery of alien life and all the religous nay sayers who don't think it exists

 

[RabidMongoose]

I saw a documentary on some groups of these settlers and they were freaking nuts and crazy extremists.

 

[EyeMNathan]

How do you convert CE to BC/AD? I'm not familiar with that calendar. Don't remember learning it in high school heh.

 

[Aegeon]

Originally posted by: EyeMNathan
How do you convert CE to BC/AD? I'm not familiar with that calendar. Don't remember learning it in high school heh.

If you're serious CE is identical to AD. Its just a term which has a non-Chritian religious basis for it. (Common Era, BCE stands for Before Common ERA.)

 

[Jhhnn]

From TLC-

"If all religious fundamentalists were simply intent on building temples we wouldn't have so many problems in this world."

Heh. Playing Pollyanna doesn't become you, TLC.

You've conveniently overlooked the fact that the Dome of the Rock, one of Islam's holiest sites, would have to be destroyed in the process. Its presence has nothing to do with the destruction of the Second Temple, BTW, being contructed some 600 years after the Romans razed the second temple...

You also overlook the rationale for this reconstruction as well. For Jewish radicals, it's to usher in the first coming, for christian fundie-whacks, it will bring forth the second coming, and armageddon...

There a lots of other places to simply build a temple, if that's all that's intended by such construction... This isn't about Worship, at all...