Question setting up a switch to link 3 Windows 10 PC's to play wired network games

GunsMadeAmericaFree

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We have a Netgear FS205 switch that I've used to wire together 3 Windows 10 PC's. I don't actually want internet on these computers, I just want my kids to be able to play basic network games on them. Things like Armagetron, Terraria, Minecraft, and others. We had it working for Armagetron ages ago, but something happened, and it didn't seem to be working again, so we gave up for the last year and a half.

The wired network always shows up as "unidentified network", for some reason. Also not sure what I should set manually for default ip settings for the 3 computers. I know these are very basic questions, so I'm probably not understanding something very basic to make this work. 1 of the 3 computers is hooked up through wifi to our router for internet, but I do not want to share that to our other 2 pc's. Thanks for any help on these basics!
 

sdifox

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Easier to just connect them to the router and get ip from the router. You can change the unknown to private network and that should do it. Also enable network discoverer. You can just block the 2 PCs from the internet on the router.
 
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The router is not convenient to connect to the other 2 PC's with wires - not close enough, and I know my wife would complain about the wires running along the walls and ceiling. I also don't want to have the other 2 pc's connected to the router using wifi - we already have 3 kids with tablets doing homework that way, plus numerous neighbors, according to all of the wifi that I'm seeing. Router location is kind of limited by where our cable internet comes in, and where I located the shelf, in the middle of the house, and up where my kids couldn't easily access the router.

Is there really no simple way to just hook the 3 PC's together with a wired network, tell the 3 PC's involved that it's a home network, and play a bunch of old networked games that way? (they are right next to each other, with only about 2-4 feet between) Or are you saying that I should have used a router instead of a switch, to do that?
 

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You can do that and set atatic ip on them, as long as they are in the same subnet they'll be fine
 

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2 questions:

A) can you recommend a cheap wired router that would make this simple? (playing the network games offline, between the 3 PC's)

B) What's the simplest way to disable Internet (but still leave PC hooked to router) with a wifi dongle on each of them? It seems to default to Internet access,
once connected. I would rather it not, but I still want the router connection, so the kids can play the network games.

Thanks!
 

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2 questions:

A) can you recommend a cheap wired router that would make this simple? (playing the network games offline, between the 3 PC's)

B) What's the simplest way to disable Internet (but still leave PC hooked to router) with a wifi dongle on each of them? It seems to default to Internet access,
once connected. I would rather it not, but I still want the router connection, so the kids can play the network games.

Thanks!

Anything with a metal casing is good enough.
You don't need to connect to router if it is just lan traffic. Or you can use your router firewall settings to block each machine you want to disable internet access.


Example
 
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SamirD

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I remember doing this back in the day with a bunch of friends on laptops at my office--fun times!

It is super-easy since you don't need Internet access. Set up the following IP addresses for the systems: 192.168.1.11, 192.168.1.12, 192.1681.13. If a default gateway is required, put in 192.168.1.1. Make sure the subnet mask is 255.255.255.0. Make sure each system can ping the other one and you're ready to play! :)

If you have any old router lying around (even older 100Mbps ones), you can use that as it has a dhcp server built-in and will assign addresses automatically, but setting them up static is the easiest option imo.
 

VirtualLarry

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Be aware that what you're trying to do, may not be supported by modern games. Thy may offer "networked" play options, but increasingly, that means "internet" and not "LAN".Plus, some games use "always on DRM", and may not play if not connected to the internet. Most LAN-capable games require you to run a "game server" on the LAN to "host" the game. Do you have a server PC?
 

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We looked everything over closely, and found out why things hadn't been working. When I added the third PC in the corner, there was a piece of the tin metal (the part that covers the rear of the motherboard) that was sticking into the edge of where the CAT5 cable goes in. While it appeared to go in, the metal was evidently keeping it from going in quite all the way.

It turned out that we had an old Asus router on a shelf, and I've hooked that up to the 3 PC's instead of the switch, which has been retired. Of course, once I did that, I found myself wondering if I could just use the router's antenna to get the internet for the 1 pc on the network that we use for browsing, rather than using the USB wifi dongle that we currently use.


As soon as I powered on the router, a web page came up on one of the PC's, asking me which of 3 ways to set it up:

A) wireless router
B) repeater
C) access point

I have to admit, I'm really not sure which way to go! We don't really need this to 'extend' the wireless network, since it's just across the same room as the main router. Would it be called an 'access point', if we mostly want it to function as a wired lan, but to also take over the function of my usb wifi dongle that we use for internet access. I would just choose wireless router, but I really don't want it spending a bunch of its resources constantly looking for wireless devices that want to get on the network. In fact, it would be nice to tell it to only hook up wirelessly to our main router, which has the internet access hookup.


98% of the time, we just want it there to link the 3 computers into a tiny network, and to share the printer/scanner that is hooked up to one of them. The other 2% of the time, very occasionally, I'll hook up to the internet using a wifi dongle on the other 2, then load a few new Steam or Gog games. After that, I put away the wifi dongles for those 2 PC's. That way, I don't have to worry about the kids going to strange places and getting viruses, or having 3 kids on the internet wirelessly at the same time, which from experience, would likely interfere with our streaming TV watching downstairs.

So, if we have our cable internet, and our primary wifi router up on a shelf, and then these 3 computers hooked into another wifi router (using wires), then which would I select for the router that is not hooked up directly to our cable internet modem? Would it need to be set up as another router, a repeater, or an access point? I wouldn't mind for it to be used for internet on one of the computers, but the main use would be for a small wired network, printer sharing, and playing games over the wired LAN.

I REALLY appreciate any help you can offer so that I could get this thing up and running soon. My 11 year old would really, really like to see it working in the next few days, even if all it does is let them play Armagetron locally. (fantastic Tron Light Cycles game) Thanks!
 
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GunsMadeAmericaFree

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It's an Asus RT-N10P router. Thanks so much for the link on how to set up the 'Media Bridge' mode. I should have figured that what I wanted wasn't exactly one of the 3 choices that came up. I assume that if I had chosen 'wireless router', the thing would have worked as a wired router for the local games, but it would also have probably kept wanting data at the modem/CAT5 input, correct?
 

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It's an Asus RT-N10P router. Thanks so much for the link on how to set up the 'Media Bridge' mode. I should have figured that what I wanted wasn't exactly one of the 3 choices that came up. I assume that if I had chosen 'wireless router', the thing would have worked as a wired router for the local games, but it would also have probably kept wanting data at the modem/CAT5 input, correct?


It is only a warning that is show on the router's config page, not a concern.
 

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Just for fun, I decided to see what it would do with "repeater" selected, figuring that I could always just press and hold the button to return it to factory settings. I am completely amazed! Previously, I had used an Aukey ~3" long wifi USB dongle attached to a roughly 4" long USB cable to extend it up at an angle from the back of my PC for Internet. When I've used Steam to download games before, I typically got between 1.5 and 3.2 mbps connection. (our cable internet gives us "up to" 30mpbs connection) After hooking this Asus router up to our little wired network, I was able to get download speeds ranging from 3.5 mbps to 4.3 mpbs averaging nearly twice as fast. Do you think the difference was made by the better antenna on the router?

Of course, it still won't work as a wired network for our local games on repeater mode.
 
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VirtualLarry

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Do you think the difference was made by the better antenna on the router?
To be clear, you switched out a wifi dongle on a client PC, with a wired connection, to a more-local router, which was also wired upstream?

I would say the improvement is coming from being wired. If I mis-understood the situation, please correct me.

Because I don't believe selecting "router mode" in the config screen allows for wireless WAN connections (I could be mistaken).

Edit: Oh, I think that you selected "Repeater mode".
 
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Yes, I selected router mode for a bit, just to see what it might do, but ended up with repeater mode, which was averaging twice as fast of a wireless connection than my usb wifi dongle had gotten. That surprised me.

Regarding FreshTomato, from what I understand, it looks like I would need a mips version for the Asus RT-10NP, is that correct? I looked in the router chart for it, and that is what it seems to indicate. However, when I kept looking for the version to dowload, I couldn't seem to find what I needed.

Since this router was just sitting on the shelf, not being used, I guess the worse case scenario is that I could brick it and be back where I was before. Now I just need to figure out where to find the mips version of FreshTomato for my Asus RT-10NP router, and then figure out how to update the firmware.

I think I'm looking for a generic version for the Asus RT-10NP here, is that correct?

 
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VirtualLarry

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It's a little older, but I might recommend Advanced Tomato for that router. Advance Tomato is an older distro, which is based on Shibby Tomato (my old fave), but with gussied-up HTML5 "Flowing" menus and stuff. It's fairly nice, if no longer updated (?).

Anyways, I've run both Advanced Tomato and FreshTomato on my RT-N12/D1 routers, which are like the dual-antenna 300Mbit/sec versions of the RT-N10P, as I understand it, they are basically the same hardware, and take the same firmware flashes for 3rd-party firmware. I've had less problems, running longer-term, with Advanced Tomato, than FreshTomato. (Although, FreshTomato being still updated, should have less security bugs. However, for routers used in your LAN that are not front-internet-facing, this is much less of an issue.)

I'll see if I can find the appropriate flash for each of those for you.

I would use the download for the RT-N10U, that looks most similar.

For FreshTomato, try here.
I think that the MIPSR2 32K NVRAM "mini" build should suit.

Edit: HMM! I don't know whether you should use K26, or K26-N. Maybe I can find out.
 
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Since the router works for Internet in repeater mode and games in router mode, I would just log into the router and change the mode as you need to. It was probably never intended to work that way, but it should fit your use cases. :)
 

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It's a little older, but I might recommend Advanced Tomato for that router. Advance Tomato is an older distro, which is based on Shibby Tomato (my old fave), but with gussied-up HTML5 "Flowing" menus and stuff. It's fairly nice, if no longer updated (?).

Anyways, I've run both Advanced Tomato and FreshTomato on my RT-N12/D1 routers, which are like the dual-antenna 300Mbit/sec versions of the RT-N10P, as I understand it, they are basically the same hardware, and take the same firmware flashes for 3rd-party firmware. I've had less problems, running longer-term, with Advanced Tomato, than FreshTomato. (Although, FreshTomato being still updated, should have less security bugs. However, for routers used in your LAN that are not front-internet-facing, this is much less of an issue.)

I'll see if I can find the appropriate flash for each of those for you.

I would use the download for the RT-N10U, that looks most similar.

For FreshTomato, try here.
I think that the MIPSR2 32K NVRAM "mini" build should suit.

Edit: HMM! I don't know whether you should use K26, or K26-N. Maybe I can find out.

Thanks for informing me about a new version of Tomato, when 54g routers were "new" that is all I ran and they ran great.

Plan on installing on the rt-n66u in the next couple days, man I loved that firmware back in the day 👍😁.

Maybe somebody can answer this question as I don't like using new/commercial routers if I can go about it a different way, plus IMHO, the new/commercial routers are so overpriced it makes me sick.

Could somebody put this hardware in list of 1 being best setup and 4 being worst setup. I am going to leave the stock setups out because, IMHO, they are always the worst.

- ASUS RT-N66U AC1750 w/ Advanced Tomato (or insert your preference of 3rd party firmware here), stock hardware

- ASUS RT-AC66U B1(router is currently down

- RaspberryPi 4b 8GB running OPENWRT Firmware, would be using a small SSD as I have a lot of them, then putting log/s on a SD Card every 12 hours (unless that is too often or the software doesn't support it)

- ISP Connection is ~150-170Mb/s Down / ~10-15Mb/s Upload, currently using COX SUPPLIED ROUTER, will be replaced soon with a Motorola DOCSIS 3.1 Cable Modem, Model MB8600, Plus 32x8 DOCSIS 3.0, Certified by Comcast XFINITY and Cox

- Phone Setup - Polycom Obihai Technology OBi212 Universal Voice Adapter with FXS Phone and FXO Gateway Ports Support for Google Voice and SIP as I need a old skool paper fax - lots of medical going through FAX and thus do not trust Internet based FAX system. How many phones can I connect to this hardware - complete noob to VOIP, so any link to a trusted VOIP tutorial would be welcome if you happen to have one.

- Running Netflix, Youtube TV AND Amazon TV

Appreciate any and all info you can share as it will go to great use. Also, entire LAN is setup on a UPS.

Thanks in advance for your assistance,
Bob
 

bob4432

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Since the router works for Internet in repeater mode and games in router mode, I would just log into the router and change the mode as you need to. It was probably never intended to work that way, but it should fit your use cases. :)

Turned out to be a f*cling network cable that was connecting intermittently 😠🤬, even though I tested all cables 1st 😥🥵 and nothing was making sense 🤬🤬😠😬🙈🙉🙉, talk about a clusterf*ck! On top of this my main UPS batteries were not 100% upto the task, so new UPS batteries are on the list, hell might put a solar system in the back for another layer of UPS .....Oy Very 🤯, need to measure how many hours I get per day for sunlight....🤯🤬

Admins - sorry about the "cursing" emojis, but the things that were going wrong were not adding up, I will stop now, just very annoyed when things that shouldn't have been failing were, will refrain will the language as of now. Please don't delete the post as there is a a lot of important questions contained, please.

Thanks for all the info this far, please keep ideas coming 😁.
Bob
 
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