Sessions on Point with Immigration. Rips CEOs & Obama, Any courageous dems to join?

[First]

Nice try to spin.

When a person overstayed his/her visa, that person broke immigration law of that country and should be expel. Period.

They shouldn't and aren't, something a bipartisan consensus of American voters and politicians agree on, by supermajorities, thankfully.

Why don't you visit a country (any country on Earth) with a valid visa, then overstay it, then demand to be grant citizenship by that country government. Let us know how that will turn out. Pssst...I highly recommend you try that with Mexico, I hear they treat overstayed guests that broke their immigration law very nice there <wink..wink>

Why don't you try going to socialized medicine countries like Italy and ask them to charge you for most healthcare. They'll laugh at you. See how that works herr derper?

All 11m of those had a path to citizenship: they could have gone through the legal channels (which as I said needs some improvement). I want our immigration policy to support a diverse influx of people, not whoever can make it through the Senora without dying. Not sure why you even brought this into the picture, it seems like you are trying to rationalize and justify illegal immigration.

It really doesn't matter if they came here legally, if they did not abide by the terms of their visa they are now here illegally. Nothing you can say changes that.

I can't tell if you have a brain injury or something, but yes, it most certainly does matter if you have come into the country legally to begin with. Both in the legal, statutory sense and in terms of a sense of fairness. I can explain this to you further, but you seem a bit slow.

You think this shit would fly in any other country on earth? Even Nordic countries? No? Why is that? Do you think they are racist/xenophobic for not allowing people to enter illegally or overstay their visas?

Uh, yes? lol. I'm not sure why you're so poorly informed about how other countries operate, but there are lots of other countries that are xenophobic, and in this conversation specifically can't even be compared to the U.S. because no one is trying to get in with the same volume and purpose as those attempting to get into the U.S. Should we next look to Japan for tips on immigration reform? How about Russia for freedom of press? Or Britain for reducing suicide rates?

 

[Svnla]

They shouldn't and aren't, something a bipartisan consensus of American voters and politicians agree on, by supermajorities, thankfully.

Why don't you try going to socialized medicine countries like Italy and ask them to charge you for most healthcare. They'll laugh at you. See how that works herr derper?

Ah, so breaking immigration law (insert some pathetic excuses such as..."but..but..they were here legally at first") = ok with you. Gotcha.

Speaking of Italy, they have been and ramping up the expel of ILLEGALS recently. I wonder why they did not listen to you and give those illegals law breakers any break. Must be so racist, eh? herr derper.....I can play that stupid game too. Still no name of one, just one developed country on Earth that would let ILLEGALS to stay after they broke immigration law by overstayed their visas? Heeerrrrrr deeerrrpppppeeerrrr.....

One more thing. We did try to give them ILLEGALS a break in the mid 80's with Reagan's "comprehensive immigration reform". Do tell us how that turned out, more or less ILLEGALS now? Yup, let try it again with even MORE ILLEGALS but this time we are putting more teeth into the law, right?

 

[First]

Ah, so breaking immigration law (insert some pathetic excuses such as..."but..but..they were here legally at first") = ok with you. Gotcha.

Speaking of Italy, they have been and ramping up the expel of ILLEGALS recently. I wonder why they did not listen to you and give those illegals law breakers any break. Must be so racist, eh? herr derper.....I can play that stupid game too. Still no name of one, just one developed country on Earth that would let ILLEGALS to stay after they broke immigration law by overstayed their visas? Heeerrrrrr deeerrrpppppeeerrrr.....

I love how you bypassed the socialized medicine point. Most other western industrialized nations have socialized medicine, so quite clearly we're stupid for not going down that path? Clearly you must agree, hey Herr Derp?

One more thing. We did try to give them ILLEGALS a break in the mid 80's with Reagan's "comprehensive immigration reform". Do tell us how that turned out, more or less ILLEGALS now? Yup, let try it again with even MORE ILLEGALS but this time we are putting more teeth into the law, right?

Thanks, but we can do better than Reagan. lol

 

[davmat787]

Uh, yes? lol. I'm not sure why you're so poorly informed about how other countries operate, but there are lots of other countries that are xenophobic, and in this conversation specifically can't even be compared to the U.S. because no one is trying to get in with the same volume and purpose as those attempting to get into the U.S. Should we next look to Japan for tips on immigration reform? How about Russia for freedom of press? Or Britain for reducing suicide rates?

Wow. You just admitted that you think other countries are racist/xenophobic for not allowing people to enter illegally and/or overstay their visas illegally.

Do you feel the same way about the enforcement of other laws too? Or just illegal immigration?

Actually, scratch that question. I have zero interest in discussing immigration policy with someone that thinks enforcing immigration and visa laws are racist and xenophobic, your abrasiveness and insults not withstanding.

 

[First]

Wow. You just admitted that you think other countries are racist/xenophobic for not allowing people to enter illegally and/or overstay their visas illegally.

No.

Honestly, you're just slow. No mention of how ridiculous it is to take cues from Japan on immigration, eh? Predictable.

Do you feel the same way about the enforcement of other laws too? Or just illegal immigration?

Illegal immigration is unique to the United States in terms of volume, purpose and history. Hence it's asinine to compare to other countries without similar or identical circumstances. It's also uniquely relevant to race given it's overwhelmingly Mexican/Hispanic in nature, compared with, say, violating speeding laws, whose origin is irrelevant.

Actually, scratch that question. I have zero interest in discussing immigration policy with someone that thinks enforcing immigration and visa laws are racist and xenophobic, your abrasiveness and insults not withstanding.

Good call.

 

[Svnla]

I love how you bypassed the socialized medicine point. Most other western industrialized nations have socialized medicine, so quite clearly we're stupid for not going down that path? Clearly you must agree, hey Herr Derp?



Thanks, but we can do better than Reagan. lol

I love how you can't debate with facts then tried to diverse the thread elsewhere. Look at the tittle of the thread, see it? Do you see anything about medicine, socialized or not? herr deerrppp. Learn to read. :biggrin:

Still no name of one developed country that rewards immigration lawbreakers? Yup, still nothing because there is no such country on Earth.

I know you will try to spin..."but..but..this is about US immigration, why we are talking about other countries?" Ok, then do you think the last amnesty in the 80s was a success? Yes or No.

 

[First]

I love how you can't debate with facts then tried to diverse the thread elsewhere. Look at the tittle of the thread, see it? Do you see anything about medicine, socialized or not? herr deerrppp. Learn to read. :biggrin:

lol yikes. Using other country's immigration policies as proof for how the US should act, but not socialized medicine from other countries, delineates your abject failure to reconcile your viewpoints, which is relevant in any thread, iKid.

Still no name of one developed country that rewards immigration lawbreakers? Yup, still nothing because there is no such country on Earth.

It has already been explained in this thread why this doesn't matter. Try a post or two up. Try real hard.

I know you will try to spin..."but..but..this is about US immigration, why we are talking about other countries?" Ok, then do you think the last amnesty in the 80s was a success? Yes or No.

The Senate bill doesn't repeat the mistakes of Reagan's amnesty. Now, yes or no do you have an alternative to the Senate plan? No? K thx bye.

 

[michal1980]

lol yikes. Using other country's immigration policies as proof for how the US should act, but not socialized medicine from other countries, delineates your abject failure to reconcile your viewpoints, which is relevant in any thread, iKid.



It has already been explained in this thread why this doesn't matter. Try a post or two up. Try real hard.



The Senate bill doesn't repeat the mistakes of Reagan's amnesty. Now, yes or no do you have an alternative to the Senate plan? No? K thx bye.

you have to have faith in a bill that gives allows Obama to determine how much boarder enforcement we will actually do.

here's a plan, how about we start deporting those that are illegal and are easily to sent
home. Allow the others to stay, pay fines but never become full citizens unless they leave first.

How about we make legal immigration easier, and more stream lined. And beat the crap out of anyone who after that fact still comes here illegal.

How about we stop caring about what a bunch of law breaking illegals think, and do whats right for the legal citizens of the USA.

How about we don't increase H1b visas as well.

 

[Svnla]

lol yikes. Using other country's immigration policies as proof for how the US should act, but not socialized medicine from other countries, delineates your abject failure to reconcile your viewpoints, which is relevant in any thread, iKid.



It has already been explained in this thread why this doesn't matter. Try a post or two up. Try real hard.



The Senate bill doesn't repeat the mistakes of Reagan's amnesty. Now, yes or no do you have an alternative to the Senate plan? No? K thx bye.

If you want to create a thread about socialized medicine, then we can talk about that in that particular thread. I ain't scared.

I did NOT ask you if there is any bill about immigration. I asked you if the amnesty in 80s was a success. Yes or No. Very simple to answer. Pick one. Try. It. Real. Hard. To. Understand. My. Very. Simple. Question. Herrr Deeerrrpp.

I just saw the post above and this sentence is very much for me:

Stop caring about what a bunch of law breaking illegals think, and do whats right for the legal citizens of the USA

and what is BEST for the USA (such as select the next Sergey Brin, Andy Groove, Elon Musk - all LEGAL immigrants with skill and education, to be future US citizens, and not the next unskilled and uneducated fruit pickers).

 

[First]

If you want to create a thread about socialized medicine, then we can talk about that in that particular thread. I ain't scared.

You seem scared, since you continually wimp out of explaining the logic of why we're comparing the immigration policies of entirely different countries to ourselves, when for most countries literally none of the circumstances are the same and therefore pointless to compare.

I did NOT ask you if there is any bill about immigration. I asked you if the amnesty in 80s was a success. Yes or No. Very simple to answer. Pick one. Try. It. Real. Hard. To. Understand. My. Very. Simple. Question. Herrr Deeerrrpp.

You're a little slow; I'm not advocating Reagan-style immigration reform, I'm advocating Senate bill reform so whether Reagan's immigration attempt was a success or not isn't germane to me. It may be something you're holding onto in your head, but frankly I want nowhere near that deranged noggin of yours.

I just saw the post above and this sentence is very much for me:


and what is BEST for the USA (such as select the next Sergey Brin, Andy Groove, Elon Musk - all LEGAL immigrants with skill and education, to be future US citizens, and not the next unskilled and uneducated fruit pickers).

lol. Whatever you gotta tell yourself to sleep at night, Herr Derp (btw, it's only funny when I use it).

 

[First]

you have to have faith in a bill that gives allows Obama to determine how much boarder enforcement we will actually do.

here's a plan, how about we start deporting those that are illegal and are easily to sent
home. Allow the others to stay, pay fines but never become full citizens unless they leave first.

How about we make legal immigration easier, and more stream lined. And beat the crap out of anyone who after that fact still comes here illegal.

How about we stop caring about what a bunch of law breaking illegals think, and do whats right for the legal citizens of the USA.

How about we don't increase H1b visas as well.

People laugh at your posts. And in your face, if they could.

 

[Svnla]

You seem scared, since you continually wimp out of explaining the logic of why we're comparing the immigration policies of entirely different countries to ourselves, when for most countries literally none of the circumstances are the same and therefore pointless to compare.



You're a little slow; I'm not advocating Reagan-style immigration reform, I'm advocating Senate bill reform so whether Reagan's immigration attempt was a success or not isn't germane to me. It may be something you're holding onto in your head, but frankly I want nowhere near that deranged noggin of yours.



lol. Whatever you gotta tell yourself to sleep at night, Herr Derp (btw, it's only funny when I use it).

Nope, you are the one that tried to spin the thread into something it is not because the facts speak for themselves (see above post).

Again, I did NOT ask you if you are advocate anything as Reagan. See my question again. You are still unable to say yes or no. Of course, just want to confirm.

Yeah, keep telling yourself that you are funny. As in funny to continue to reward immigration law breakers/ok to break immigration law. Funny as in continue to do the same thing (more amnesty) and expect different results.

In closing, you are ok with immigration law breakers/ILLEGALS and you are ok with continue to reward them with more amnesty. Gotcha.

Heeeerrrrr deerrrrppp. You were saying something about being slow? :whiste:

 

[michal1980]

People laugh at your posts. And in your face, if they could.

Ahh typical lefty response. nothing but a personal attack.

 

[First]

Nope, you are the one that tried to spin the thread into something it is not because the facts speak for themselves (see above post).

Nope, already explained to you ad-nauseam. I'll repost since you're confused: Using other country's immigration policies as proof for how the US should act, but not socialized medicine from other countries, delineates your abject failure to reconcile your viewpoints, which is relevant in any thread, iKid.

You are still unable to say yes or no. Of course, just want to confirm.

Nope, already explained to you ad-nauseam. I'll repost since you're confused: I'm not advocating Reagan-style immigration reform, I'm advocating Senate bill reform so whether Reagan's immigration attempt was a success or not isn't germane to me. It may be something you're holding onto in your head, but frankly I want nowhere near that deranged noggin of yours.

Yeah, keep telling yourself that you are funny. As in funny to continue to reward immigration law breakers/ok to break immigration law. Funny as in continue to do the same thing and expect different results.

In closing, you are ok with immigration law breakers/ILLEGALS and you are ok with continue to reward them with more amnesty. Gotcha.

Nope.

Heeeerrrrr deerrrrppp. You were saying something about being slow? :whiste:

The South blows massive chunks. FYI in case you didn't know.

 

[First]

Ahh typical lefty response. nothing but a personal attack.

You're an act, a sideshow. Truth, not just personal attack.

 

[michal1980]

You're an act, a sideshow. Truth, not just personal attack.

more personal attacks. nice work.

 

[chucky2]

You all understand you're being trolled by someone that thinks people need training to pick trash up off the ground and who responds to posts in profound intellectually stimulating ways, like, herp a derp, right?. Just sayin...