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Sesame Street (SA) to introduce HIV+ Muppet

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Originally posted by: LikeLinus01
<<I do have kids and i take that as a MAJOR FSCKING INSULT...

They are allowing homosexuality?? are they?? it just shows your ignorance, MANY children in africa are BORN WITH HIV...

You state that the parents do not know about the show... well, as there are many mothers in africa who do not know anything about HIV either they need to be taught...

That is the MAJOR PROBLEM... they do NOT KNOW... education HELPS...

Maybe if you got some education about HIV you wouldn't lump together homosexuality and HIV so swiftly.... so GO GET EDUCATED!

They are many other flaws in your reasoning, but you are so dense you probably cannot take more info for now... >>



WOW, Next time ask for decaf.

See here is the problem i'm talking about. Parents are not EDUCATED enough to know that Rosie is doing a Nick news show for Pro - Homosexuality.

http://www.accessnorthga.com/articles/afullstory.asp?ID=58629

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=38&threadid=809792&highlight_key=y&keyword1=Nick

They ARE allowing Pro Homosexual shows on Nick. I'm not so sure that i'm the "one" that needs to get educated here.

You yourself lack from the obvious education that the rest of the parnets do. How are you supposed to know everythign that is going on around the world while working and taking care of your children?

So yo usay the parents don't know about HIV. Then why teach children? Do you not agree that the GOVERMENT needs to come into control and start supply brochures and ad's about HIV awarness? Teaching the kids directly is NOT the solution.


Sorry. I'm so "dense" that i just can't grasp the subject! It's hard to hold a conversion with people so "educated".

Damn the man, i suck 🙂
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You throw out an insult that i AM A CRAPPY PARENT and you wonder why i get mad???? How many kids do you have? what age? how old are you?

WE WERE TALKING ABOUT SS HERE... is SS and Nick the same?????? Do they show it in africa?? are you mad about Nick or SS??

Why are you lumping together homosexuals and HIV?? haven't you heard, they changed the name from GRID to AIDS because GRID was not a correct name for that disease??

Education... when does education start? if you have contracted HIV as a child because your mother was HIV+ then are you dirty? If there is nothing dirty about HIV then why are you arguing against education about it?

And you have to realize that the sexual debut happens at much younger ages in africa...

I do agree with you though... you do suck...
 
Originally posted by: metallibloke
I dont agree with it at all. I mean, these kids are far to young to understand, and as Murphy55d said, they are gonna start asking awkward questions.

I've got no objection to kids learning about it, but wait till they are old enough to understand, like when they are at high school.
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Why not wait till they are 18 and you don't have to deal with any awkward questions at all? 😛

By the time they are in high school it is WAY too late.

 
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: metallibloke
I dont agree with it at all. I mean, these kids are far to young to understand, and as Murphy55d said, they are gonna start asking awkward questions.

I've got no objection to kids learning about it, but wait till they are old enough to understand, like when they are at high school.
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Why not wait till they are 18 and you don't have to deal with any awkward questions at all? 😛

By the time they are in high school it is WAY too late.
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ah yes, sorry, I meant high school here in the UK which you go to when you are 11 years old, adjust type of school for your country 🙂
 
Originally posted by: metallibloke
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: metallibloke
I dont agree with it at all. I mean, these kids are far to young to understand, and as Murphy55d said, they are gonna start asking awkward questions.

I've got no objection to kids learning about it, but wait till they are old enough to understand, like when they are at high school.
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Why not wait till they are 18 and you don't have to deal with any awkward questions at all? 😛

By the time they are in high school it is WAY too late.
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ah yes, sorry, I meant high school here in the UK which you go to when you are 11 years old, adjust type of school for your country 🙂
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🙂

Thanks for explaining . . . about age 15 is starting High School in the USA.

EDIT: You caught me by surprise since - when I lived "over there" - it used to be called secondary school, not high school.
 
This makes me think of 'fairy tales' of old... you know, those charming children's stories that are really quite horrible, like "Hansel and Gretel". What the hell was wrong with those parents to be leaving their children in the woods to die? And what about Snow White? And Cinderella? Step mothers are bad, very bad! 😀 Oh, and my favorite... "The Little Mermaid"... the REAL story, not Disney's sugary version. The Little Mermaid sacrifices herself for a man who doesn't even know she exists! She DIES, pathetically!

(Sorry about that, I appear to still be scarred by The Brothers Grimm.)

The bottom line is, parents need to teach their children about the realities of life. (For a wonderful take on this, go see the Broadway musical, "Into The Woods".) Parents can choose how they want to do this. If they don't appreciate Sesame Street providing an opportunity to discuss the plight of many, they can change the channel.

Simple enough.

 
They ARE allowing Pro Homosexual shows on Nick. I'm not so sure that i'm the "one" that needs to get educated here.
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Wow, you sure aren't one to talk about ignorance...I think YOU are the one who needs to be educated on this issue. The show wasnt "pro-homosexual", it discussed the issues that that children of gay parents face. I bet you didnt even watch the show. And why the fark are you even bringing that up? It has NOTHIGN to do with sesame street.


ah yes, sorry, I meant high school here in the UK which you go to when you are 11 years old, adjust type of school for your country
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High school is not compulsory is most african nations. Ethiopia, where AIDS levels are high, only mandates compulsory attendence for 6 years, and Im not even sure how well that is enforced.
 
Originally posted by: Isla
This makes me think of 'fairy tales' of old... you know, those charming children's stories that are really quite horrible, like "Hansel and Gretel". What the hell was wrong with those parents to be leaving their children in the woods to die? And what about Snow White? And Cinderella? Step mothers are bad, very bad! 😀 Oh, and my favorite... "The Little Mermaid"... the REAL story, not Disney's sugary version. The Little Mermaid sacrifices herself for a man who doesn't even know she exists! She DIES, pathetically!

(Sorry about that, I appear to still be scarred by The Brothers Grimm.)

The bottom line is, parents need to teach their children about the realities of life. (For a wonderful take on this, go see the Broadway musical, "Into The Woods".) Parents can choose how they want to do this. If they don't appreciate Sesame Street providing an opportunity to discuss the plight of many, they can change the channel.

Simple enough.
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Which was exactly what i said in my first post in this thread.... not as elaborate though...
 
Originally posted by: LikeLinus01
If the kids are wealthy enough to afford a TV and to be watching it (in africa) then they are most likely in school. It is the school system that needs to be talking about these things. If the epidemic is so bad there, then the goverment needs to allow schools to hand out brochure and to have someone come talk to a school (like US missionaries or whoever). If they have TV's then obviously they are not out in some hut without parents like the kids we see Sally Struthers Pimpin'. Their parents are present and they are the ones that need to be teaching this also.
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I suspect this is going to be an "agree to disagree" issue.

Educational programs like Sesame Street are tools, both for parents and educators. I'm assuming that the educational systems in Third World countries are even more thinly stretched than here, and a program specifically designed to address the education of children on particular topics is going to be useful even to the most gifted of teachers.

And I don't think it's a logical leap to assume that children in school have parents who are able to adequately educate them on matters of sexual disease and prevention.

Personally i don't care what they do in Africa, thats their own business. But when the Producers (who are americans) are already trying to bring this to the US, that represents a problem, atleast to me. Here, we teach our kids and shouldn't rely on TV to do so. Not all parents do this, but most do.
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I happen to believe that censoring topics at the broadcast level is not the proper way to do things. Parents who want to keep their children insulated from whatever social topics happen to make their way into broadcast programming have every right to turn off the television when a verboten topic rears its ugly head. Again, in a perfect world, this wouldn't be an issue, but there are parents here who aren't sufficiently responsible. Which is the worse evil, subjecting responsible parents to additional monitoring of their children's viewing habits (which is what responsible parents do anyway), or allowing sections of a generation to grow up ignorant (and dealing with the ensuing health and social problems that occur as a result) for spite that "their parents didn't do what was right"?
 
Anyway, you'd better not wait too long to talk to your children.

Teenagers 'complacent' over HIV
"Teenagers who were at school during the Aids awareness campaigns of the 1980s are now adults, but today's teenagers are much less aware of the facts - a survey last year found that 40% of 11-year-old boys had never heard of HIV. "
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I think parents need to learn to deal with their children's "awkward" questions . . . much easier then dealing with their early death from ignorance.

Early adolescence best time for sexual-risk interventions. (What's New in Research).

I don't think 5 year old Sesame Street viewers are going to be asking many questions that a simple answer won't suffice. However, the 10 year-old watchers should be getting more information.
 
The real problem - It's sad when parents even have to censor and watch "kids shows" because they are allowing homosexuality and HIV/AIDS. Teaching sexual choices and diseases isn't something that needs to be presented to 3-5yr olds.
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He never said that HIV was a sexual issue. You saw that in his post because of your own bias towards his opinion. Stop trying to twist his words.
 
Only retards think "kids are too young" to understand anything. I hate that phrase, with a passion, since I heard it so many times when I was young and it wasn't true. Young children learn concrete information the fastest, period.
 
SnapIT - I'm sorry but i'm not going to stoop to your level of name calling to get my point across. My points are my thoughts. You really have no right to call me names and try to belittle me over them. Do you do the same to your kids and wife?

You were taking my broad generalization personally. I never said your name along with being a crappy parent. I meant parents in generally.

lirion is right. You can twist my words all around to make your own points valid.

Yes we are talking about SS. But i said "It's sad to have to monitor childrens shows these days". I was talking about all shows in general. I figured with the high level of intelligence you say you have, you could grasp the subject of multiple shows in one discussion.


 
I'm sorry but i'm not going to stoop to your level of name calling to get my point across. My points are my thoughts. You really have no right to call me names and try to belittle me over them. Do you do the same to your kids and wife?
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Interesting how you can say that considering you said:

If you don't see a problem with that, you don't have kids or you're a crappy parent.
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lirion is right. You can twist my words all around to make your own points valid.
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Lirion was talking to YOU, if I'm not mistaken.



I was talking about all shows in general. I figured with the high level of intelligence you say you have, you could grasp the subject of multiple shows in one discussion.
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It just shows your true nature when you deem it neccesary to bring homosexuality into the convsersation. And as I showed you, it wasnt a 'pro-homosexual" show.
 
See here is the problem i'm talking about. Parents are not EDUCATED enough to know that Rosie is doing a Nick news show for Pro - Homosexuality.
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ah.. the true definition of a homophobe😛 whats with your gay fear? oh no!, rosie is going to convert everyone!!
 
I think it's a good idea over there. Why? Because there is such a huge number of kids with HIV in the population.

Like it or not, in their society, the children have to deal with HIV issues as soon as they are put into school, because as many as 1 in 5 kids there are born with it. More have at least one parent with it.

Africa as a whole is dealing with a rampant case of ignorance and folklore when it comes to HIV. Education is key here.
 
Lucky, Why exactly are you trying to start a fight? I was talking to him and it really doesn't involve you. Get a life dude.

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He never said that HIV was a sexual issue. You saw that in his post because of your own bias towards his opinion. Stop trying to twist his words.

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THAT is what he said. To me it appears that he was talking about my quote to the other guy. He was twisting my words around.


Nefrodite - it has nothing to do with "gay fear" or "homophobia". It has to do with Children shouldn't be presented shows on sexual preferences at an early age. They need to figure that out for themselves. I'm not "homophobic" or anything of the sorts.

The reason i brought it up is because of the trend towards showing these things to kids at a young age. It seems now nothing is sacred. Kids shows are supposed to be KIDS SHOWS. I can't believe people don't understand that. Kids don't want to learn about HIV and sexuality. They want to watch shows and have a good time.

thats the only point i was trying to make. You people blow sh!t way out and try to make things appears as they dont. Quit reading into stuff.
 
Lucky

Interesting how you can say that considering you said:


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Because i wasn't singling out one single person. I was talking about parents as a whole. He is personally attacking me and calling me names. It's just lame. Now can you please chill out and add something productive to the conversation?
 
Originally posted by: Isla
Which was exactly what i said in my first post in this thread.... not as elaborate though...
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I've got your back, snapIT. 😉
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🙂 that feels comforting to know... Isla... 🙂

But now you are also classified as a bad parent by LikeLinus01 because you don't "get it" either... :Q

On the other hand, i doubt he has any kids, so he probably don't know much about it anyways... 😀
 
Talk about childish. You can't even act like an adult.

Yes i have a 5 year old. I said that in the 5th post down.

Silly noobs.
 
Lucky, Why exactly are you trying to start a fight? I was talking to him and it really doesn't involve you. Get a life dude.
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I'm not trying to start any fights, Im trying to clear up your ignorance of several things. And to use your own words, sir:


We don't need you or anyone else dictating what we "should or shouldn't" talk about. This is off-topic. We're allowed to talk about whatever we feel.
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