seriously.... what is ford doing wrong?

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: j00fek
worst cars truck and suv's evar!

you are an annoying twerp.

-is FORD at the bottom of the quality list?
-have you ever owned a FORD vehicle?
-what are you basing your quote that they are the "worst evar" on?

About half of his posts say something along the lines of "MYSPACE EMO BLOG -----> WAY". Basically worthless nonsense.

"About half?" you are giving him far too much credit.

 

[desy]

Ford Styling dept needs a boot to the head too.
The Freestar is radically different than the Windstar which is why they gave it a new name but make it look almost identical to the old model
Same with the new Explorer a much different vehicle but you couldn't tell in the parking lot!
I posted an article on car buying phsychology a while back basically people are looking for new. Even if a brand new model will have quality issues people don't really care and will overlook that as long as it looks NEW. I mean most new car buyers a lot of the time do it for the image, showing on the block who has the latest greatest.
You don't ge that if you can't tell the difference

 

[foghorn67]

Originally posted by: AMCRambler
They've been building some seriously ugly cars in the US lately. The Fusion and the Five Hundred both bleh imo. And I currently drive a Ford! I love the styling on my 2000 Contour SVT but when they ditched the Contour line here and replaced it with the Focus, good god what an ugly car. At least Mazda is building some good looking cars and helping to keep Ford afloat. I had hopes for Ford when they came out with the new Mustang, but they're starting to get all geometric with their designs, lots of angles and corners. I'm not saying you can't make a beautiful car with that type of styling, Just look at the CTS. But Ford is missing the mark. That being said, I'm definitely loving the new Mustang Shelby GT idea. Cut price Shelby that the masses can purchase, A+ for Ford's marketing there!

WTF are you talking about? You are ranting on two hot selling cars. The focus sold well until last year. Mustang is still selling well.
Contour (US) line was as a known hinderance in the QC area.

 

[Pocatello]

Ford has found some successes, such as the Ford Fusions and the Mustangs, but just too few. It's all about the products, according to the consumers, Ford has been missing the boat. Ford should realize that people will spend their hard-earned money for well-built cars. Ford didn't upgrade the US Focus model to the rest of the world because they think it's too expensive for this market. The Mazda 3 is great and is based on the European Focus and has found success in this country. If Mazda can build it, why can't Ford. Ford could certainly sell them more than Mazda ever could.

 

[TraumaRN]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: DeathBUA

Originally posted by: Queasy
Maybe push for a new Governor for the state of Michigan? A recent report card on Governor's from the CATO Institute gave Michigan Governor Granholm a 'C' stating that "Granholm has yet to realize what really ails Michigan is high taxes and too much industrial planning by government. Her first term contained far too much of both."

That point doesnt make sense. The state was in the sh!tter when Engler was Governor, Granholm has played alot of damage control which given the situation is about all she can do.

How in 4 years can she or Dick DeVos fix what was 100 years of automobiles and manufacturing. You cant wave a magic wand and give everyone a college degree and a high tech job to go with it.

Granholm is doing nothing to keep jobs here. Trust me, my company has told her that we will be moving to NC/SC if she cannot give us any help. NC/SC offer no taxes, cheaper utilities, cheaper labor, etc. The CEO has talked to Granholm personally and she says she will help but then it never appears.

Drive through any of the industrial parks in RH and look at all the For Sale/Lease signs everywhere. I can see 6 from my building.

That I dont doubt and I know the state is hurting badly. I dont need to drive around RH, I can just talk to my dad who works for Ford or my uncle who works for DCX to see how bad the state is. The thing is and my point from before, is that whether DeVos or Granholm wins...they aren't going to stop the bleeding. Not in a 4 year term. Not when the state has an economy built on manufacturing/skilled trade. Not when taxes are high. Not with a single business tax. It's gonna take years, perhaps decades for the Michigan economy to really and truly recover, tax breaks or otherwise. The fact that we have to bribe and swindle companies to come here is proof of that. The Big 3 in trouble is just icing to that cake.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: krunchykrome

Originally posted by: akubi
their cars look like ass and their logo's got to go.
(obviously, neither point applies to the mustang)

Yet, they're more reliable than a Mercedes or a BMW.

mercedes had a bad patch, where they tried to do some cost cutting, they produced some terribly built cars by their standards..... normal order has resumed though.

its BMW's turn to be abit in the doldrums with quality now, their new 5 series has some peculiar quirks like the the indicators not self cancelling that escaped the QA guys

 

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: DeathBUA

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: DeathBUA

Originally posted by: Queasy
Maybe push for a new Governor for the state of Michigan? A recent report card on Governor's from the CATO Institute gave Michigan Governor Granholm a 'C' stating that "Granholm has yet to realize what really ails Michigan is high taxes and too much industrial planning by government. Her first term contained far too much of both."

That point doesnt make sense. The state was in the sh!tter when Engler was Governor, Granholm has played alot of damage control which given the situation is about all she can do.

How in 4 years can she or Dick DeVos fix what was 100 years of automobiles and manufacturing. You cant wave a magic wand and give everyone a college degree and a high tech job to go with it.

Granholm is doing nothing to keep jobs here. Trust me, my company has told her that we will be moving to NC/SC if she cannot give us any help. NC/SC offer no taxes, cheaper utilities, cheaper labor, etc. The CEO has talked to Granholm personally and she says she will help but then it never appears.

Drive through any of the industrial parks in RH and look at all the For Sale/Lease signs everywhere. I can see 6 from my building.

That I dont doubt and I know the state is hurting badly. I dont need to drive around RH, I can just talk to my dad who works for Ford or my uncle who works for DCX to see how bad the state is. The thing is and my point from before, is that whether DeVos or Granholm wins...they aren't going to stop the bleeding. Not in a 4 year term. Not when the state has an economy built on manufacturing/skilled trade. Not when taxes are high. Not with a single business tax. It's gonna take years, perhaps decades for the Michigan economy to really and truly recover, tax breaks or otherwise. The fact that we have to bribe and swindle companies to come here is proof of that. The Big 3 in trouble is just icing to that cake.

That's too low-level. If you can get companies back here now, you will have people working and paying taxes, even if the businesses don't. Then you have people making and spending money, getting new loans, etc.

The reason the Carolinas, Tennessee, and Kentucky are doing so well now is because they all managed to tempt those Michigan companies to move down there.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Queasy
Maybe push for a new Governor for the state of Michigan? A recent report card on Governor's from the CATO Institute gave Michigan Governor Granholm a 'C' stating that "Granholm has yet to realize what really ails Michigan is high taxes and too much industrial planning by government. Her first term contained far too much of both."

Like Georgia Republican Governor Perdue is doing any better losing both the Ford and GM plants around Atlanta. :roll: :laugh:

Georgia is also gaining two new plants.

Nice deflection attempt though.

 

[TraumaRN]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: DeathBUA

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: DeathBUA

Originally posted by: Queasy
Maybe push for a new Governor for the state of Michigan? A recent report card on Governor's from the CATO Institute gave Michigan Governor Granholm a 'C' stating that "Granholm has yet to realize what really ails Michigan is high taxes and too much industrial planning by government. Her first term contained far too much of both."

That point doesnt make sense. The state was in the sh!tter when Engler was Governor, Granholm has played alot of damage control which given the situation is about all she can do.

How in 4 years can she or Dick DeVos fix what was 100 years of automobiles and manufacturing. You cant wave a magic wand and give everyone a college degree and a high tech job to go with it.

Granholm is doing nothing to keep jobs here. Trust me, my company has told her that we will be moving to NC/SC if she cannot give us any help. NC/SC offer no taxes, cheaper utilities, cheaper labor, etc. The CEO has talked to Granholm personally and she says she will help but then it never appears.

Drive through any of the industrial parks in RH and look at all the For Sale/Lease signs everywhere. I can see 6 from my building.

That I dont doubt and I know the state is hurting badly. I dont need to drive around RH, I can just talk to my dad who works for Ford or my uncle who works for DCX to see how bad the state is. The thing is and my point from before, is that whether DeVos or Granholm wins...they aren't going to stop the bleeding. Not in a 4 year term. Not when the state has an economy built on manufacturing/skilled trade. Not when taxes are high. Not with a single business tax. It's gonna take years, perhaps decades for the Michigan economy to really and truly recover, tax breaks or otherwise. The fact that we have to bribe and swindle companies to come here is proof of that. The Big 3 in trouble is just icing to that cake.

That's too low-level. If you can get companies back here now, you will have people working and paying taxes, even if the businesses don't. Then you have people making and spending money, getting new loans, etc.

The reason the Carolinas, Tennessee, and Kentucky are doing so well now is because they all managed to tempt those Michigan companies to move down there.

Yea, I'll agree on that fact. I just hate the fact that I live in a beautiful state yet the government, governor or otherwise does jack to make it appealing. Part of the reason I went into healthcare was because I knew even in michigan I could find a stable well paying job. Alot of my friends are moving out of michigan, because they perceive that michigan has no jobs, and no fun to offer them. I wonder what is going to happen to michigan if the exodus of young people, like you, me and Lola continues. I'll be around to find out. My family has too much invested in michigan, including a second house and 125 acres that I'll inherit...so we'll see in 20 years

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: DeathBUA

Originally posted by: Queasy
Maybe push for a new Governor for the state of Michigan? A recent report card on Governor's from the CATO Institute gave Michigan Governor Granholm a 'C' stating that "Granholm has yet to realize what really ails Michigan is high taxes and too much industrial planning by government. Her first term contained far too much of both."

That point doesnt make sense. The state was in the sh!tter when Engler was Governor, Granholm has played alot of damage control which given the situation is about all she can do.

How in 4 years can she or Dick DeVos fix what was 100 years of automobiles and manufacturing. You cant wave a magic wand and give everyone a college degree and a high tech job to go with it.

That is the point though. Instead of coming up with solutions to get the government out of the way of businesses so they can operate and generate jobs and money, she has implemented stuff that gets in the way of business ("too much industrial planning by government").

The Michigan economy is in horrible shape right now partly because of high taxes and regulation that puts a chokehold on businesses and encourages them to go elsewhere instead of coming into the state.

Even the Incumbent Senator Stabenow that is up for re-election in a couple of weeks is getting hammered in the Michigan papers because she has not done a good job of representing Michigan and voting in its interests.