Seriously, what good are home inspectors, if they don't look at anything but the basics?

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Humpy

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You can and are supposed to have any type of inspection done that you want as a condition of purchase. I know of a few examples where foundations were exposed and walls opened up to address concerns before an agreement was reached. Camera scopes can find all sorts of sketchy stuff. If the seller won't agree to what you want then don't buy the house.

Unless you are heavily involved with the construction of the house there is always a chance of some hidden condition that will come up later. It's just a house though, boards and sheetrock and pipes and shit. It can all be fixed.

OP, are you sure there are no wire nuts at all? It is pretty common for wire nuts to also be wrapped in tape. 2x4 trusses on 24" spacing isn't in itself a problem. I think there are some instances where switches do not have to be grounded. There may be some blocked weep holes that are supposed to drain the balcony. Not that there aren't some obvious WTF's but it might not be all that bad.
 

Elixer

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OP, are you sure there are no wire nuts at all? It is pretty common for wire nuts to also be wrapped in tape. 2x4 trusses on 24" spacing isn't in itself a problem. I think there are some instances where switches do not have to be grounded. There may be some blocked weep holes that are supposed to drain the balcony. Not that there aren't some obvious WTF's but it might not be all that bad.
Yeah, took the tape off, and it was just wires twisted together.
Fixed that issue.

One thing is for sure, attics are too damn hot!
I am not sure how to fix this issue though...
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There is another pipe about 20 feet away from these pipes, and that was just plopped down into the insulation.
 

stormkroe

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I've seen one good 'home inspector' in my couple decades+ of construction, the rest were about 2 notches under a normal Lowe's employee for knowledge (seriously, one guy gigged a friend of mine for not having an attic access in the garage, even though he had been in the master suite above it).
OP, if your guy didn't even look in the attic, you sadly had one of the 98%.
The good news is, a good inspector is TOTALLY worth it, and will be known by reputation. Should be easy to find the 1 or 2 good guys in the 75 mile radius.
 

NetWareHead

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^ What are you considering these potential damages to be, if it was already a problem so there is no returning it to the prior state?

A safety issue is that of the home, not something the inspector did. We're not talking about rambo with a sledge hammer, just a thorough inspection.

Yes, there should be a disagreement if there is a problem found that causes the home to not sell until it's corrected. That's the whole point of uncovering problems, that the home does not sell until it's either corrected or price adjusted to reflect it.

Yes a buyer should back out of the deal if the homeowner is trying to price it as if there weren't problems, and should walk away if the home owner is trying to attach a lot of bullshit to the mere process of a thorough inspection. Cash account? Lawyer? Big warning sign to walk away, owner trying to hide something. If an inspector does damage, sue him like you would anyone else. S/he should be insured.

The flaw with your argument is you are forgetting who contracted the inspector in the first place: The buyer: for the purpose inspecting an asset that does not belong to him. The buyer can't authorize what amounts to alterations done on the property. He cant, he doesn't own it. The inspector has no contract with the homeowner so how can he do what amounts to work?

If something goes south and damages are assessed, I will have some immediate questions. Who is going to pay for this? Who authorized this work on my property? And to the guy who did the damage, what are your credentials? Never mind the fact that electrical work in this example requires a permit. Your inspection that took wires apart has placed me in non-compliance with the city, putting me at risk for fines etc... If I were the homeowner whose house was damaged by a buyer's inspector, I'd sue both of them. The inspector for damaging the house and the potential buyer for contracting the inspector. Inspectors know they walk a fine line and for that reason will not dive into territory a contractor normally would.

Yes a buyer should back out of the deal if the homeowner is trying to price it as if there weren't problems, and should walk away if the home owner is trying to attach a lot of bullshit to the mere process of a thorough inspection. Cash account? Lawyer? Big warning sign to walk away, owner trying to hide something. If an inspector does damage, sue him like you would anyone else. S/he should be insured.

Insurance for what? The inspector is not a contractor. An inspector is not supposed to be altering a property and doesnt carry contractor's insurance. The only insurance the inspector is likely to carry is on himself if he gets injured on the job.

There is NOT "too much liability" of they poke and disassemble. This is the point of having someone qualified for their profession, that they know what they're doing. If something crumbles apart from a mere inspection, it was in severe decay and should be considered a loss by the homeowner trying to screw the buyer either deliberately or through ignorance.

There is PLENTY of liability. If you demand an inspector messes around with wiring and disassembles components, he is no longer an inspector. At this point he becomes an electrician with a whole different pay rate. And technically in my city (and probably many other jurisdictions) you need a permit for all this aforementioned work. The inspector is not a tradesman and not qualified to do what amounts to electrical work. Its one thing to remove a breaker panel cover but its a whole other story to begin fiddling with wires etc... Every inspector I have dealt with removes the panel cover, looks for anything blatantly obvious and goes no deeper than this. Regarding ground issues etc... at the outlets, testers that allow for a quick diagnosis of GFCI issues, no grounds, reverse polarity etc... are allowed.

For instance, the breaker panel in the house I was considering had more than a few breakers with 2 separate hot wires screwed into the terminal. Illegal for that particular style of breaker that is only designed for one hot wire per circuit. And hidden until you plucked the breaker out to look at it. The point is that it is easy to temporarily remove a breaker but the inspector wasn't going to do it because that amounts to alteration and electrician work.

You should not have to go along with them and babysit their work. That's what you do if you payed a rent a kid instead of a pro at a premium rate. You can't expect them to be fortune tellers but you should expect them to do the amount of work worthy of their fee.

Completely disagree. Maybe that is because I am more hands on and want to know what I am getting into. I might be paying the inspector but I want to know what he is thinking. What he is concerned about. I also have eyes and can ask him to look closely into something I see that he might miss. My inspector and I chatted the entire time as we moved throughout the house. As far as I am concerned, the inspector has an assistant in me and we inspect the property together.

Hell, even if I am selling a house, I am still present for the buyer's home inspection so I can hear what their concerns are. I wont interfere in the buyer's inspection unless he starts doing something he is not supposed to.
 
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NetWareHead

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Too much liability if they poke or open or disassemble stuff and can't reassemble. Point of a home inspection is to make your lender more comfortable

What you are describing is an appraisal ordered by the lender. They are just looking for the basics. I.e. does each room have a heat source? Running hot & cold water to each fixture? The appraisal also assesses the value of the home so the lender can underwrite a loan. An appraisal is not a home inspection and only serves to assure the lender that the home is habitable and is not condemned and can be used as good collateral.
 
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Exterous

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Yeah, home inspection is a joke. So my state don't issue any license to home inspectors.

And $600? It's ridiculous.

Like others have mentioned, the inspector does not open anything to check internals, so how good is that?

Well, if nothing else it provides weight when asking for concessions. The seller is more likely to believe a professional than me when pointing to things that need to be fixed. Besides - you can get a good one people just have to do a little bit of work themselves to find one. And they can come with a bunch of high quality tools (moisture meter, IR camera etc) that would be expensive to buy on your own for a one time use (although you may be able to rent them locally)

You should not have to go along with them and babysit their work. That's what you do if you payed a rent a kid instead of a pro at a premium rate. You can't expect them to be fortune tellers but you should expect them to do the amount of work worthy of their fee.

I've never run into one that made you go with them but why wouldn't you? Personally I care enough about an extraordinarily expensive purchase to go along - besides I can ask all kinds of 'that house specific' questions when I'm there.
 

Red Squirrel

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It still helps to get one, but at $600, hell no, that's a crazy amount of money. They may still catch stuff that you won't notice, like they might be able to see signs of bigger issues that you would pass of as minor, and idealy they might use tools like a FLIR to check stuff like insulation or signs of water issues etc. Some inspectors are better than others, but they are also limited in what they can check. They won't take stuff apart. Suppose they should maybe take switch plates off to check electrical, but even then, how far will you really go. As the owner do you want them taking stuff apart like that. Though I suppose if you're trying to sell the house then you should be willing to let them check stuff that can easily be put back, I suppose. Electrical panel, furnace, etc too.
 

Aikouka

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I know your pain. The home inspector that I hired for my house was the protege of a well-rated inspector. The other inspector was having surgery, so he couldn't do it. Sure, the guy that I got pointed out a few things, but they were all these little things. The most major thing that he pointed out was that some of the bricks on the front stairs needed to be replaced. After reading up on a lot of things, I've noticed a few things that either have been fixed or may need some work in the future, and these should've been noticed by him...

1. The vent fan in the bathroom literally vented to nowhere. It just swirled the air around and put it back into the room. I had the vent fan replaced, and it now vents outside.
2. There must have been a leak in that same main bathroom at some point. It appears that they repaired the pipe by accessing it through the garage ceiling, but they never made any repairs to the subfloor. Now, the subfloor outside the bathroom will need to be replaced, and the entire bathroom will likely need to be redone as the tiles are cracking. (The vanity is really old looking, so there's no point in saving it.)
3. The deck's structural wood is looking a bit old and cracked. Now, I don't notice any flex or any signs that would worry me when standing on the deck, but I generally don't like seeing large cracks in structural pieces. Also, at some point, a secondary support was placed near an existing support (that looks partially rotted), but this secondary support isn't properly anchored in the ground or to the deck.
4. The vapor barrier was all torn up. It's pretty simple... a torn barrier can't really... barrier... anymore. Honestly, I didn't really know what the point of it was before doing a bit of research.
5. Electric lines for the outside ceiling fan was run without any conduit. They literally ran the line out from the same hole as the normal light, and painted it the same color as the siding.

It really just taught me that I need to trust my own instincts more than rely on "professionals". I've always been too trusting of people, and it just ends up burning me most of the time. You really can't trust any seller when you live in a buyer beware state (the seller doesn't have to disclose known issues).