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Seriously, Microsoft.. Windows update default gripes..

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brxndxn

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Who the hell at Microsoft thought it would be a good idea to have computers decide to install updates when you are restarting them or shutting them down? Have a laptop and gotta go? NOPE! Installing 99 updates. Cancel button? NOPE! Let Microsoft do what it wants. Want to quickly restart? Nope.. gotta update.

I know you can disable automatic updates.. like I did.. but then installing Office re-enables those updates.. Installing Microsoft Security Essentials also re-enables those updates.. And, I'm pretty sure one or two Microsoft critical security updates re-enables automatic updating.

Argh.. Windows defaults are as bad as Cisco defaults.
 
Zxian said:
Hibernation or suspend are also far better options when using a laptop on the go.
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Not always true.

In suspend mode, there is still allot of waste of battery life, it is only useful if you are not suspending for more than few hours, suspending overnight is really bad.

In hibernate mode, .. in case you have an SSD and allot of RAM ( >8gb of RAM ), hibernation becomes slower than a boot or shutdown, making no point of hibernate unless you want to actually save the state of your applications for later use.
 
hhhd1 said:
Not always true.

In suspend mode, there is still allot of waste of battery life, it is only useful if you are not suspending for more than few hours, suspending overnight is really bad.

In hibernate mode, .. in case you have an SSD and allot of RAM ( >8gb of RAM ), hibernation becomes slower than a boot or shutdown, making no point of hibernate unless you want to actually save the state of your applications for later use.
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I suspend my work laptop almost daily over night and have no issues.

Resuming from hibernation with an SSD might take slightly longer than a fresh bootup in wall clock time, but given that your running apps are restored as well it's still an overall time saver and saving the state of running applications is the primary point of hibernation.
 
hhhd1 said:
Not always true.
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Clearly none of the options are always ideal, but in many scenarios you'll end up with one of them being a better solution than shutting down. Suspend is best used when moving from one location to another (such as moving between classrooms or offices). Far less overall power used during the sleep than you'd spend to shutdown/boot or hibernate/resume.

Also, how many laptops do you know of that have over 8GB of RAM? I put 8GB in my netbook (E-350 based), and it still resumes from hibernation faster than a regular bootup. This might not be the case for systems with more modern hardware, but it's a possibility. Also (as nothinman mentioned), you still get all your opened programs back as they were, so the additional time to load email, IM, media player, web browser, etc is zero.
 
hhhd1 said:
Not always true.

In suspend mode, there is still allot of waste of battery life, it is only useful if you are not suspending for more than few hours, suspending overnight is really bad.

In hibernate mode, .. in case you have an SSD and allot of RAM ( >8gb of RAM ), hibernation becomes slower than a boot or shutdown, making no point of hibernate unless you want to actually save the state of your applications for later use.
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I leave my laptop in suspend from Friday at 5pm til Monday at 8am. It drains maybe 5% of the battery in that time frame. If your laptop is draining more than that, then you either have bad memory (needs higher refresh rate) or you're not really in a true S3 state.
 
brxndxn said:
Who the hell at Microsoft thought it would be a good idea to have computers decide to install updates when you are restarting them or shutting them down?
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People working on an OS, that need to update files after a user has logged off, but before they log back on.

If you used Linux and tried major updates without rebooting, you'd get a feel for why they do it.

Have a laptop and gotta go? NOPE!
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Yes. If you gotta go, don't reboot it. Really, it's just that easy. If I'm pestered to reboot, I let it reboot when I go to bed. It will then install them, reboot, finish installing them, sit at the logon screen for awhile, then go to sleep.

hhhd1 said:
In suspend mode, there is still allot of waste of battery life, it is only useful if you are not suspending for more than few hours, suspending overnight is really bad.
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That sucks. If I buy a new notebook at any point, I might want to test that before the return period is over with. I've never had any problems leaving mine in sleep for days at a time (sometimes I'd just leave it in my car for days), except when the battery was shot (T23, Eee, and now R60). I <3 S3, for both desktops and notebooks.

In hibernate mode, .. in case you have an SSD and allot of RAM ( >8gb of RAM ), hibernation becomes slower than a boot or shutdown, making no point of hibernate unless you want to actually save the state of your applications for later use.
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Hibernate is good as automatic policy for when the battery is too low, but yeah, I've yet to like it for normal use.
 
postmark said:
I leave my laptop in suspend from Friday at 5pm til Monday at 8am. It drains maybe 5% of the battery in that time frame. If your laptop is draining more than that, then you either have bad memory (needs higher refresh rate) or you're not really in a true S3 state.
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Interesting, .. I will try it again and see if it is like you say, last time I remember it draining allot of power over night, it was a while ago.

I have 2x 4gb ddr3 modules, from different brands, one that came with the laptop (Micron) , and another that I installed (Kingston)
 
Computer on standby for 11 hours, lost 9% of battery, from 98% to 89%.

Note that this battery can last with average loads for 3~4 hours, and with no load and no wifi for ~5 hours.

I have to do some research into this, .. I plan to test each ram module separately, and check the bios ...

Will start another thread later on if the problem persisted, enough hi-jacking to this thread. 😛
 
hhhd1 said:
Computer on standby for 11 hours, lost 9% of battery, from 98% to 89%.

Note that this battery can last with average loads for 3~4 hours, and with no load and no wifi for ~5 hours.

I have to do some research into this, .. I plan to test each ram module separately, and check the bios ...

Will start another thread later on if the problem persisted, enough hi-jacking to this thread. 😛
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Even a crappy battery should be able to last 2 days in suspend/sleep mode.
 
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