Serious IE security vulnerability

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n0cmonkey

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Originally posted by: rh71
Well thanks for answering my initial question. So why do people point to Mozilla like it's the God of all browsers? I see no benefits thus far.

Tabbed browsing and its open source ;)

Its a viable alternative to ie. No other browser out there is as complete as ie. Period. But Mozilla is getting closer and closer with every release. Thats my opinion anyhow.
 

diskop

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The reason I hate IE so much isn't because i hate MS, it's because I hate IE. It's horrid the way that you have to kill it and restart it so many times. I hate browsing with it. That said, designing for it is great. It's more forgiving than any of the other browsers, and supports more features also. So it's a double edged sword, great for designers, which is why a lot of the people only support IE now, but crappy for some users.
 

IBuyUFO

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What do you mean you have to kill it? I never had to kill anything using internet explorer?
 

james78

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AOL also removed from Netscape 7 (for obvious reasons) the ability of Mozilla to block images from a server.

 

manly

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Originally posted by: rh71
I DON'T GET IT. How is Mozilla 1.1beta any different than Netscape 7 preview release 1 ? Why is everyone raving about Mozilla ?
Actually, there's a very important difference.

Netscape 7.0 is based on the Mozilla 1.0 branch, and at this point in their release cycle they can't "refresh" the code branch. This was the exact problem w/ the Netscape 6.x series. First off, they released an alpha quality browser (based on Mozilla 0.6.x) as Netscape 6.0. Critics mercilessly trashed it. If they were gonna release something that half-baked, they should have called it Netscape6 technology preview or something like that.

As Mozilla started to get much better, NS released much improved 6.1 and 6.2.x browsers, but NS still lagged months behind Mozilla development. For example, I believe 6.2.x is from the Mozilla 0.9.4 tree. So the latest official release of NS (currently 6.2.3) is based on nearly year-old Mozilla code. I'm not saying NS didn't improve some of that code, but it's still way too old in comparison to Mozilla, which has been banged on constantly to get to release 1.0.

As one simple but important example, NS 6.2 does not have tabbed browsing that many Mozilla users swear by. In many significant ways, NS 6.x is vastly inferior to Mozilla 1.0 (or other contemporary browsers).

So if I'm gonna use beta code, then I might as well choose Mozilla 1.1, which is later and presumably greater than NS 7.0. Personally, I'm using Mozilla 1.0 for the time being.

So as things stand, it sure looks like NS will always seriously lag behind Mozilla development and quality. Bundle in all the commercial crap most of us don't want and it's really a no brainer which is the more sensible choice.

As for IE's latest security vulnerability, what's the big deal? How's this one any worse than the 15 or so previous critical issues (as MS calls them) this year? :)
 

jamie2833

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Originally posted by: no0b
I wonder if someone can sue MS for liabitly for relaesing a product with such security holes. That would make them get off their arses faster.

wouldn't that be just the same as sueing all those gun manufacturers for makings weapons that people *could* use to kill people?

i dont know much about this but i would imagine it is against the law to create such a hoax site to get at peoples secure data, such as creadit card information. if people dont abuse this security issue then there is no real problem right?

same as guns, it would be fine for everyone to have them and use them, providing they dont use them irresponsibly, after all it's not the gun that is the weapon, it's the user, same with software.
 

yakko

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Originally posted by: diskop
It's horrid the way that you have to kill it and restart it so many times.

What is wrong with your computer that you have to keep killing IE? Mine only has a problem every now and then and I have a slightly screwed install of Windows thanks to a hard drive failure.
 

Nemesis77

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Originally posted by: SSP
Everyone is pointing fingures at MS, but KDE made the same mistake.

And about 90 minutes after this bug was made public, David Faure of the KDE-project submitted a patch to the Konqueror that fixes this bug. We are still waiting for the MS-patch....
 

diskop

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Originally posted by: yakko
Originally posted by: diskop
It's horrid the way that you have to kill it and restart it so many times.

What is wrong with your computer that you have to keep killing IE? Mine only has a problem every now and then and I have a slightly screwed install of Windows thanks to a hard drive failure.

On every win installation with IE I've ever used, 95, 98, Me, 2k, XP, after a certain period of browsing I've always had to kill IE and start a new process. Even on fresh installations too, though it wasn't as bad. I always use multiple windows when browsing, so it could be that. It got so bad that I couldn't visit more than 2 or 3 sites before having to kill and restart. So I switched to Mozilla and couldn't be happier :)
 

ToBeMe

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Originally posted by: diskop
Originally posted by: yakko
Originally posted by: diskop
It's horrid the way that you have to kill it and restart it so many times.

What is wrong with your computer that you have to keep killing IE? Mine only has a problem every now and then and I have a slightly screwed install of Windows thanks to a hard drive failure.

On every win installation with IE I've ever used, 95, 98, Me, 2k, XP, after a certain period of browsing I've always had to kill IE and start a new process. Even on fresh installations too, though it wasn't as bad. I always use multiple windows when browsing, so it could be that. It got so bad that I couldn't visit more than 2 or 3 sites before having to kill and restart. So I switched to Mozilla and couldn't be happier :)
Well bud...............there's a problem..........but it's not IE that is the problem from what you describe............;)

 

diskop

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Originally posted by: ToBeMe
Originally posted by: diskop
Originally posted by: yakko
Originally posted by: diskop
It's horrid the way that you have to kill it and restart it so many times.

What is wrong with your computer that you have to keep killing IE? Mine only has a problem every now and then and I have a slightly screwed install of Windows thanks to a hard drive failure.

On every win installation with IE I've ever used, 95, 98, Me, 2k, XP, after a certain period of browsing I've always had to kill IE and start a new process. Even on fresh installations too, though it wasn't as bad. I always use multiple windows when browsing, so it could be that. It got so bad that I couldn't visit more than 2 or 3 sites before having to kill and restart. So I switched to Mozilla and couldn't be happier :)
Well bud...............there's a problem..........but it's not IE that is the problem from what you describe............;)

This is on many different machines. But there could be a problem with the way I browse ;) But Mozilla suits me just fine in either case :)