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[Serious] How is the millennial generation buying homes?

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It took me into my mid-30s before I could buy a condo. I didn't even have a ton of student debt. I don't know how people are doing it now with the stupid cost of education. Honestly I don't even know that it is worth it. I've moved onto a house since and I think the only reason I'd want to own is that you can't rent as nice of a place. Rental houses are garbage. Rental condos tend to be built very differently than units intended as private homes.
 
Cars as a hobby is buying a crappy old car and fixing it up.

Buying new overpriced cars that massively depreciate is just pure stupidity. Which is fine if you have money to blow.

There is also something I find laughable about anyone that buys an overpriced car and considers themself "manly" or "powerful" for having the ability to press a pedal with a foot. Ohhhhh man, you so cool.

Hey now... you need "stupid" people like me to buy the shiny new car every few years so you "smart" people can swoop in and buy it secondhand for half the price I paid for it!

Of course, I usually don't sell my cars until they start having expensive problems, so you're probably not getting as much of a bargain as you think you are if you're buying a car that I traded in.
 
I was in my early twenties when I concluded that in order to better afford my education (I started late) I had to move 1,000 miles as the cost of education was mostly on my dime. When college ended and I needed to find a job I moved again to another state where the likelihood of getting employed vs. the cost of living was going to play a major factor in my life. When i got that post-college job and was making money I continued with this framework, known as priorities, and was with someone that had the same framework. We were not seeking the American Dream, which was a lie, and planned to not have kids. That left us to focus on careers, money matters, and eventually getting out of the rental cave and into a cave we bought.

None of this was easy. We met the challenges at each stage. Shocked that others were not. Shocked that others had no idea was priorities were. Most of them thought the cost of having children was cheap, lots of subsidies from the gubbermint, etc., and got their freak on while in the rental cave and barely making ends meat. Today, we are empty-nesters because we knew the economics of our livelihood was to either sacrifice or make sound economic choices, which included the cost of having children vs. not.

I would love to move back to where I came from. I love the land, some of the culture and the food, but the cost of living their is prohibitive. We do not love where we live, we do not love our employers, but the decisions we made as a GenX were based on what we could afford. And I don't share with anyone other than my wife. No way some snot-nosed kid if playing with my toys.
 
I wouldn't take it too hard OP. Home ownership isn't some measuring stick in life. At retirement it's just another asset that contributes to your total net worth. While it will help you build more worth for retirement, but there are a lot of things you have to give up along the way now. Too many for me.
 
Guys we are in 2019. Freakin' big mac combo with small fries and drink is $9.50~ in suburbs today.

'Six figures' and $100K salary was a big deal back in mid 90's. That's equivalent to 160K today due to inflation alone and possibly more since CoL has gone up terribly.

$100K is not a big deal and super common in non-coastal areal too (Atlanta, DWF, midwest). I just interviewed two people in their mid/late 20s in IT. One is a PM with minimal technical background, another is a full stack dev. Both have just 4-5 years of experience after undergrad.

We are offering them $95K/yr~ for both.

This is not a brag, period. You make $100-150K and just become a 'standard' home owner with 3-4 bed. Similar to what boomers have today.

'Six fig' prestige has been dead. My wife and i still use coupon codes.

This is tecg forum, you guys know this.

It's all location-dependent. I live in a MCOL area, and I bought a $275k house (mortgaged $230k) with a single salary of $70k. Did just fine and always managed to put money into my 401k and savings account.

In my area, which is just under an hour west of Boston, you have your pick of homes. In my town/area, you'd be hard-pressed to find new construction single-family homes for under $350k, though some may pop up. You're usually looking at good homes in nice neighborhoods that need cosmetic updates. For comparison, I bought my house brand new in 2012 for $275k. For $275k today, I could buy a two, maybe three bed 1 bath home built in the 50s or 60s (or earlier) with maybe a one car garage, that needs a lot of cosmetic updating. My home's value has risen to ~$375k in the past seven years - one neighbor sold their house for over $400k earlier this year, and I think they paid somewhere in the low-$300s for it.

Some towns (maybe 30 minutes up north from where I am) have cheaper housing. You can definitely get a 3 bed 1.5-2 bath home with a two car garage, built in 1970-1980, for around $300-325k, in good condition in a nice neighborhood. Granted, you won't be living in the big city or even a small city, but it's there.

If you go ~30-40 minutes west of where I am, or southwest, you head into the very rural parts of the state. There you can get a brand new 3/2 home for $300-350k with a two car garage on 1+ acre of land. I've seriously considered moving there, but it would increase my commute from ~15-20 minutes to ~40 minutes. When I retire, it's certainly an option, as I like the more rural areas compared to the city. That, or buy land ~15 minutes west from where I am and build a house.

On the flip-side, if you go even 20 minutes east of where I am (heading closer to Boston), home prices skyrocket. You're probably looking at $300k for a rundown piece of crap that would need to be completely torn down or gutted. A livable home with two bedrooms that needs updating would probably be $400k.

Oh yeah, and I'd rather spend $4 on a pound of 80/20, a couple of potatoes, and corn on the cob, and grill up something far better than what I can get at McDonald's for less than half the cost.
 
Guys we are in 2019. Freakin' big mac combo with small fries and drink is $9.50~ in suburbs today.

'Six figures' and $100K salary was a big deal back in mid 90's. That's equivalent to 160K today due to inflation alone and possibly more since CoL has gone up terribly.

$100K is not a big deal and super common in non-coastal areal too (Atlanta, DWF, midwest). I just interviewed two people in their mid/late 20s in IT. One is a PM with minimal technical background, another is a full stack dev. Both have just 4-5 years of experience after undergrad.

We are offering them $95K/yr~ for both.

This is not a brag, period. You make $100-150K and just become a 'standard' home owner with 3-4 bed. Similar to what boomers have today.

'Six fig' prestige has been dead. My wife and i still use coupon codes.

This is tecg forum, you guys know this.
$9.50 for Big Mac combo? 😱

I’m eating Chick-Fil-A combo right now and I paid $6.39 in downtown Atlanta. And this is one of the more expensive Chick-Fil-A locations since it’s located in the city. If I had to pay ~$10 for any kind of fast food combo meal, I wouldn’t eat it. That’s crazy.

All you lucky dual income earners. Try living on one earning with a kid and a wife who likes to spend money. 😀
 
Honestly the more I think about it the more I think advanced degrees are worthless. The main exception being a a career where it's actually a full blown REQUIREMENT. E.g. Law school for lawyers, Doctorate for a doctor, etc.

Just knowing how far I've advanced in life, all I can say is networking and "who you know" will do FAR more than that degree will.
Are doctors and lawyers even worth it? I say this because I'm a dumbass who hated studying. 🙂

Awful awful hours in both industries.

For every successful surgeon & big firm lawyer, there are lakes of average paid docs/lawyers that drown in terrible terrible debt.

My god, you only live once. They have ridiculous debt like quarter of a million and more. They spend their entire life paying it off. Ugh.
 
dave ramsey's cash rule doesn't make any sense for people who have any sense

i can see why some people might need to do it though

Yeah... I used to think that Dave Ramsey's cash only rule was stupid until I married someone who was hiding credit card debt from me. Now I get it. Even if you're smart with credit, you can't always count on the people around you doing the same.
 
"Cash only" rule only makes sense for everything but house. You need a place to live and nobody has 100k+ in cash. Ok, well most people don't.

That said you can still use credit for other stuff as long as you pay it off. In fact it's smart to use credit cards to get points etc.
 
Millennial with a house about 30 minutes outside the SF Bay Area.

- Lived with my parent and was absurdly thrifty with spending, gladly ate and praised my mother's home cooking even if I didn't like it (easy "free" food, low personal expenses).
- Drove my parent's hand me down cars that were basically in donatable condition (not even worth selling). Not impressing any women in those.
- Went to a relatively inexpensive college close to home and got a degree in STEM.
- Found a wonderful woman who didn't care about the car. Got married and started a family (started a family on accident...). Wife is extremely intelligent and hard working, also reasonably thrifty.
- Wife and I both basically quadrupled our incomes several years after graduating into the depre... I mean recession.
- Even after having a kid, we lived with my in-laws for a couple years to continue saving money.
- FIL is a contractor, so he helped us look for cheaper houses with looks bad but easy fixes vs looks good but will be a nightmare to maintain houses.
- Ended up buying a (still extremely expensive by all normal standards) house that was *Half* the cost per SQ FT because the previous owner was a DIY guy that had no idea what he was doing and couldn't sell the house because how ugly he made it.

And after all that... We STILL had to borrow 100k from the parents, but that was really just to keep the monthly payments to the bank lower (obviously very generous repayment terms from parents).

Also childcare is much easier by having two cooperative sets of grandparents who will help with pick ups and keeping kids home if they are sick. I honestly don't understand how two income households even work with kids and no family support...

Honestly it's a little nuts and sometimes I'm embarrassed to tell other people in their mid 30's I have a home because even though it was rough and not easy to buy for my wife and I... It's actually somehow worse for others.
 
Also childcare is much easier by having two cooperative sets of grandparents who will help with pick ups and keeping kids home if they are sick. I honestly don't understand how two income households even work with kids and no family support...

Honestly it's a little nuts and sometimes I'm embarrassed to tell other people in their mid 30's I have a home because even though it was rough and not easy to buy for my wife and I... It's actually somehow worse for others.

Yup, my mother in law watches our kid during the day... Drives down to our house every weekday to watch them. With #2 on the way that's going to save us a boatload.
 
Found an Asian.

I'm of Indian heritage and my wife is white, multi-generational, but her family has a very strong "it takes a village" mentality which is actually really refreshing. They also try to live close to each other to keep that support network strong. In a lot of ways, they're more "Asian" than I am.
 
As a realtor, I can say someone carrying a lot of student debt it becomes very hard to buy a home. I’ve met people carrying 25% of their income in school debt. Hard to fit under 35% of debt & mortgage payment when 25% is going to school payments.
 
Where is this?
LI, NY

On the plus side, people who choose to stay in NY do so because they have roots here. Strong family ties allows us reasons to stay. Family support for kids, monetary support if needed, etc. and of course plenty to do. On the other hand, I wish my parents never settled in NY and I would've never had to grow so much resentment toward these union motherfuckers who rape us year after year. Guess how they make it here? Off the rest of us.
 
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I think Dave Ramsey is right about paying off your home when you receive a financial windfall, at least for most people.

A guy in my hometown got a $300,000 inheritance. He still owed around $100,000 on his home at the time. Instead of paying off his home he invested the entire amount. Unfortunately for him the worst case scenario unfolded and the investments lost a lot of value. The story is they're worth a little over $100,000 now. To make matters worse - the investments were with family members. Always a bad idea imo.

The guy STILL refuses to cash out and pay off his house (at least as of like 6 months ago). I don't know exactly what type of investments they are and I assume they could recover but in his situation not paying off his house and investing $200,000 instead was sheer madness. He's not wealthy.

I almost started a thread about this but this one seems like good place for this anecdote.
 
A guy in my hometown got a $300,000 inheritance. He still owed around $100,000 on his home at the time. Instead of paying off his home he invested the entire amount. Unfortunately for him the worst case scenario unfolded and the investments lost a lot of value. The story is they're worth a little over $100,000 now.

ouch

To make matters worse - the investments were with family members.

ouch times 1000

i know a guy who has loaned money to family members not knowing if he'd ever get it back. he set a lifetime limit and he told them about it up front - 20$k total. big enough to help get them through a few tough months, small enough that it wouldn't hurt him in a big way if he never got the money back. luckily he did though. and no loans after that, in the future it was on them.
 
I think Dave Ramsey is right about paying off your home when you receive a financial windfall, at least for most people.

A guy in my hometown got a $300,000 inheritance. He still owed around $100,000 on his home at the time. Instead of paying off his home he invested the entire amount. Unfortunately for him the worst case scenario unfolded and the investments lost a lot of value. The story is they're worth a little over $100,000 now. To make matters worse - the investments were with family members. Always a bad idea imo.

The guy STILL refuses to cash out and pay off his house (at least as of like 6 months ago). I don't know exactly what type of investments they are and I assume they could recover but in his situation not paying off his house and investing $200,000 instead was sheer madness. He's not wealthy.

I almost started a thread about this but this one seems like good place for this anecdote.

Oh for sure, if you can pay off a debt always pay it off. I don't get this philosophy of hoping the investment interest rate is higher and that you end up ahead in the end. Yeah, it CAN work, but does not mean it will. Peace of mind is worth more than anything. Pay it off if you can, THEN invest.

Many years ago when I was a kid my parents had a financial advisor set them up with an investment that involved taking out a 100k loan and investing it as the investment interest would be higher so you pay off the loan over time and end up with 100k cash. At least that was the plan. What REALLY happened is the investments crashed and now my parents are still paying off that 100k loan out of pocket. 100k could have build them a pretty nice garage, done tons of house renovations, paid many trips etc, but nope it went towards some debt that never got them anything. Risky investing is not worth it unless it's with disposable income. My dad is in his mid 60's and still has to keep working because of that debt.
 
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