September 11: Unanswered questions

[BoomerD]

Narmer...just accept that the Mossad was behind the attacks and your life will be easier. Yes, they used Arabic people to facilitate the ruse...and it worked.
What better way for the Israelis to drag the USA into their war with Islam than to make Americans think they were attacked by a bunch of radical Mooslums?

(and they made a few hundred million in the stock market along the way)

<remove tinfoil hat now>

 

[Fear No Evil]

Why do you suggest that? Nobody else here has.

It wasn't YOU who did it was it?!

 

[PokerGuy]

The beams, the waves and beams keep penetrating my tinfoil hat! Argh!

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

In regard to question 3, the money was not actually missing. It actually had to do with antiquated Pentagon accounting systems that could not talk to each other so there was no way to rectify the accounting issues. Besides that, Rumsfeld was merely repeating what was already known long before Bush even came into office:

http://hv.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=002hxm

The military's money managers last year made almost $7 trillion in adjustments to their financial ledgers in an attempt to make them add up, the Pentagon's inspector general said in a report released Friday.


The Pentagon could not show receipts for $2.3 trillion of those changes, and half a trillion dollars of it was just corrections of mistakes made in earlier adjustments.

Each adjustment represents a Defense Department accountant's attempt to correct a discrepancy. The military has hundreds of computer systems to run accounts as diverse as health care, payroll and inventory. But they are not integrated, don't produce numbers up to accounting standards and fail to keep running totals of what's coming in and what's going out, Pentagon and congressional officials said.
"These ($6.9 trillion in) entries were processed to force financial data to agree with various data sources, to correct errors and to add new data," the inspector general said. "The magnitude of accounting entries required to compile the DoD financial statements highlights the significant problems DoD has producing accurate and reliable financial statements with existing systems and processes."

Notice the date on that report (3/3/2000).

This is precisely why when you read anything coming from a truther website you need to research it to find out the rest of the story that they are not telling you because they constantly omit pertinent information to make things seem like something they are not. They are masters of distortion and dishonesty.

 

[kylebisme]

Your "rest of the story" only exemplifies the fact that the Pentagon's missing 2.3 trillion dollars was an over a year and a half old problem when Rumsfeld announced it on 9/10/01, and that the 3/3/2000 explanation wasn't holding watter.

 

[brxndxn]

I don't know why it needs to be considered 'conspiracy talk' when bringing up the $2.3T in missing Pentagon money..

$2,300,000,000,000 missing money.. Then 9/11 happens.. and no one ever talks about it again?

 

[nick1985]

What do you say about the eye witnesses that were stuck in traffic near the Pentagon THAT SAW THE FUCKING PLANE FLY VERY LOW OVER THEIR HEADS AND THEN SMASH INTO THE PENTAGON?

Were they all bought off?

 

[tinker2141]

Key music:
This is the song that never ends.
It goes on and on my friends.
Someone started singing it not knowing what it was,
and they'll continue singing it forever just because,

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Your "rest of the story" only exemplifies the fact that the Pentagon's missing 2.3 trillion dollars was an over a year and a half old problem when Rumsfeld announced it on 9/10/01, and that the 3/3/2000 explanation wasn't holding watter.

It was a problem that had accumulated over 40+ years of bad accounting practices and the problem was already known and publicly announced before well before Rumsfeld came into office. The attempt by the troofuses to claim that Rumsfeld was using 9/11 to cover up this "missing money" (which wasn't actually missing) is complete idiocy and highly dishonest. There is no great conspiracy on that issue so get over it.

 

[nick1985]

I wonder how many of these retarded truthers actually believe the shit that they say.


What would happen if some all-knowing being appeared before them and asked:

"Was 9/11 an inside job perpetrated by the US Government?", and then told them "If you answer incorrectly, you and your family will be burnt alive".

I wonder if they would say yes or no. My guess is they would all say no, they know deep down that they are full of shit.

 

[kylebisme]

What do you say about the eye witnesses that were stuck in traffic near the Pentagon THAT SAW THE FUCKING PLANE FLY VERY LOW OVER THEIR HEADS AND THEN SMASH INTO THE PENTAGON?

Were they all bought off?

Considering the fact that nobody here suggest the Pentagon was hit by anything but a plane flying very low over peoples heads before smashing into it, who is your question directed towards anyway?

The attempt by the troofuses to claim that Rumsfeld was using 9/11 to cover up this "missing money" (which wasn't actually missing) is complete idiocy and highly dishonest.

Suggesting people here have done as much when nobody has is dishonest, though of course you falsers can't be expected to be anything but.

What would happen if some all-knowing being appeared before them and asked:

"Was 9/11 an inside job perpetrated by the US Government?"...

I say I doubt it was to anyone who asks, and that I rather figure it was perpetrated by some small cabal of corporate fatcats, likely by way of operatives within our government and others.

 

[bfdd]

There actually is footage of the plane hitting, it is just poor footage from a parking lot security camera. That wedge of the Pentagon did not face the main parking lots, the interstate, or the river so there is really very little reason for people to be there taking pictures. At that time there was just a weedy grass area between the building and Washington Blvd.

What Chief of Police are you talking about? The Pentagon is located in Arlington County, Virginia, not Washington DC and I don't remember any scandal involving the Arlington County Police Chief, the Pentagon Police force Chief, or the DC Police chief other than the gross incompetence his force displayed investigating the Chandra Levy case.

My friend took his brother in law there for a tour and they weren't allowed to take pictures of the Pentagon while they were there. So maybe they just have a no camera policy?

 

[nick1985]

I say I doubt it was to anyone who asks, and that I rather figure it was perpetrated by some small cabal of corporate fatcats, likely by way of operatives within our government and others.

Its a yes or no question.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Suggesting people here have done as much when nobody has is dishonest, though of course you falsers can't be expected to be anything but.

Truthers do not only comprise certain members of this forum. Surely you can comprehend something that simple? The 2.3 trillion and Rumsfeld dishonesty has been a talking point for truthers ever since they began foisting their conspiracy charade on the public.

 

[kylebisme]

Its a yes or no question.

It's also a question for which there is not enough evidence publicly available to rightly answer either way.

Truthers do not only comprise certain members of this forum.

Sure, and neither to falsers, but as for what is going on in this forum, you're dodging the arguments of truthers here by dragging in ones from elsewhere to refute instead.

 

[woolfe9999]

It's also a question for which there is not enough evidence publicly available to rightly answer either way.

Nick's question was, if you had to choose a yes or no on pain of death if you got the answer wrong, which would you choose? Was 911 an inside job or not?

I'll start the ball rolling, I would answer "no" and have no worry about being burned alive. What would your answer be?

- wolf

 

[woolfe9999]

What do you say about the eye witnesses that were stuck in traffic near the Pentagon THAT SAW THE FUCKING PLANE FLY VERY LOW OVER THEIR HEADS AND THEN SMASH INTO THE PENTAGON?

Were they all bought off?

Bought? Of course not. That would be far too crude when you have plenty of these:

http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Orbital_Mind_Control_Lasers

- wolf

 

[kylebisme]

Nick's question was, if you had to choose a yes or no on pain of death if you got the answer wrong, which would you choose? Was 911 an inside job or not?

Again, I figure it was an outside job by some small cabal of corporate fatcats, likely by way of operatives within our government and others to varying extents, but not masterminded by our government itself nor anyone in it; so my answer would be "no" as well.

 

[woolfe9999]

Again, I figure it was an outside job by some small cabal of corporate fatcats, likely by way of operatives within our government and others to varying extents, but not masterminded by our government itself nor anyone in it; so my answer would be "no" as well.

And so, if you were given a choice between the scenario you just described, and the more generally accepted scenario that it was an act of AQ terrorists, and you had to get the answer right on pain of death, you would choose the scenario you just described?

- wolf

 

[kylebisme]

Yes.

 

[woolfe9999]

Well there's your answer then Nick. At least some of them are true believers.

- wolf

 

[nick1985]

Well there's your answer then Nick. At least some of them are true believers.

- wolf

I think if that were to actually occur he would change his answer, we all know it.

 

[woolfe9999]

I think if that were to actually occur he would change his answer, we all know it.

Perhaps. But I have to say, after several years of debating Holocaust deniers, truthers and other crackpots on the web, I grudgingly came to the conclusion that a good percentage actually do believe this stuff. It's hard to fathom, but people do believe some weird stuff.

- wolf

 

[nick1985]

They believe it only because they want to

 

[Infohawk]

The only unanswered is whether 9/11 was in fact perpetrated by Muslims. On the one hand you have liberals and certain Muslims who believe that evil cyborgs from an alternate universe caused 9/11 in order to make innocent Burqa-wearing Muslim moderates look bad and to smear the validity of Sharia law. On the other hand, you have just about everyone else who accepts the fact that the people who perpetrated 9/11 were in fact Muslims because they were from Muslim countries, grew up in Muslim societies, had Muslim names, and went to their death saying Allah Akbar and thinking they were about to get some virgin poonani.